2018: 23 years old; 4 years; 60 Million; 45 GTD

[Kaiser]

Drafting Zeke at 4 was a negative expected value move. Giving him a big contract will be a negative expected value move.

 

[JW82]

Health is not guaranteed but Gurley had a history of injures.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

Should we not discuss the merits of resigning players as they are slated for new contracts?

What would you rather talk about instead of one of the most consequential decisions before our front office?

 

[Ranching]

My personal mummy-meat... @Ranching was being a tad bit, how do you say - sarcastic?

I hope he's smart enough to realize that. Lol!!! Maybe not pappy!

 

[SackMaster]

Accepting mediocrity will only give you mediocre results. An elite RB isn't running you to a championship and an average QB eating up a chunk of your cap space isn't bringing you Super Bowls.

Since you obviously have all the answers, I would love to hear your take on a, if not thee, sure fire way one can build an NFL team that will win Super Bowls.

This should be good since it is so simple and you already KNOW "a average QB" and "an elite RB" will never get you there.


P.S. I really don't disagree with "Accepting mediocrity will only give you mediocre results." Unfortunately, IMO, the biggest mediocrity I see on the sidelines on gameday is one of the guys that never puts on a helmet. I have a hard time seeing him lead a team anywhere even if he had a Prolific Passing QB and/or a Top RB (oh wait, he's already had both). But hey, let's keep blaming the players.

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

This entire thread is pure cancer.
I feel stupid after reading all 5 pages.

I'm just bummed that nobody got my Meatloaf reference lol.

 

[Corso]

I'm just bummed that nobody got my Meatloaf reference lol.

Dude... The first scene I ever wrote was to Bat Out of Hell.
It started... just wait. You're going to see for yourself soon enough.

 

[cern]

Zeke is a knucklehead but he's probably the most durable RB in the league.

If you're gonna be dumb, you gotta be tough.

 

[Cowboysheelsreds053]

Are you hoping Jerry secretly reads this board and will listen to you?

LLLOOOLLL

 

[mattjames2010]

Since you obviously have all the answers, I would love to hear your take on a, if not thee, sure fire way one can build an NFL team that will win Super Bowls.

This should be good since it is so simple and you already KNOW "a average QB" and "an elite RB" will never get you there.


P.S. I really don't disagree with "Accepting mediocrity will only give you mediocre results." Unfortunately, IMO, the biggest mediocrity I see on the sidelines on gameday is one of the guys that never puts on a helmet. I have a hard time seeing him lead a team anywhere even if he had a Prolific Passing QB and/or a Top RB (oh wait, he's already had both). But hey, let's keep blaming the players.

Patterns in the modern NFL is not hard to notice - if you want to win a Super Bowl there are two ways to get there

1. Get a franchise QB, and those most often come in the first, second, and third rounds. Your chance of hitting on a top 5 QB comes with taking a QB within the top 15 on the draft

2. If you do not have a franchise QB, you need to rely on an elite defense to get you there

Building an elite defense in the modern era is much harder to do than finding a franchise QB due to FA ripping apart teams. IF you believe Dak is a franchise QB, you better hope the championship comes in 2019 or 2020, because his cap hit WILL impact the team and this will impact what we can do on the defensive side of the ball.

You can win a Super Bowl, and nearly every team that has won a championship since 2003 has one this without having a top 3 RB or WR on their team they are giving gigantic contracts to. It's unnecessary to do. Zeke should not get a big pay day and he certainly should not be paid like he's the best RB to ever step onto the freakin' field.

Dak, Zeke, or Coop - one of these guys have to go. Dak can't bring us a Super Bowl at his talent level, he doesn't elevate a team enough. So you need cap space to build an elite defense. It won't work, but since the front office is dead set on Dak, that is the route we must go.

 

[Rockport]

If your argument is Zeke will be one of the best players to ever play the position and have legendary longevity then yes the pick was justified.

For those of us who look at probability and likelihood....the pick was wasteful.

I'll be write much more often than you are. And that's what football is all about. The teams who consistently make the best investments shockingly do the best over time.

Drafting Zeke at 4 was a negative expected value move. Giving him a big contract will be a negative expected value move. Praying that you get lucky and he's everything you want him to be and he stays healthy for a decade would be lucky. If you don't own a team and your team building strategy is be lucky...you won't be team building for long.

I’m just pointing out that there are exceptions. You implied investing in any RB is a mistake.

 

[QuincyCarterEra]

I’m just pointing out that there are exceptions. You implied investing in any RB is a mistake.

Just so we can get this out of the way and it's never brought up again, when discussing contracts we use empirical evidence within the salary CAP era.

This also helps when discussing RBs since they have since gone down in value tremendously since the non-salary CAP era.

So just so everyone gets it, if you're going to make a point do not use examples from over two decades ago as they have almost no relevance now.

Thank you

 

[TwoDeep3]

I've seen many bad posts, this one is really high up there. This actually went through someone's brain.

The fact that you read it and seemed to ignore ELITE in the sentence, showing you missed the point went through your brain. Or are you saying every team has an elite running back?

 

[Cowboysheelsreds053]

Only if you don't have an elite RB do you take that approach
Tony Dorsett and Emmitt Smith didn't have RB by committee for a very good reason

Hardline you are Preaching today my friend.

 

[TwoDeep3]

Just so we can get this out of the way and it's never brought up again, when discussing contracts we use empirical evidence within the salary CAP era.

This also helps when discussing RBs since they have since gone down in value tremendously since the non-salary CAP era.

So just so everyone gets it, if you're going to make a point do not use examples from over two decades ago as they have almost no relevance now.

Thank you

This is more than just money. The reason people like you make this argument is injury in association with a top heavy contract. Singling out a running back from the past that carried the ball as much and was successful beyond his first contract, and in some cases into his third is still a guy carrying the ball and getting hit.

The cap issue is only critical if you have money tied up in a guy that can no longer tote the rock.

But longevity in this position is not beholding to the cap. Only in the mind of those who believe RB's are all the same. Plug and play.

 

[Corso]

Hardline you are Preaching today my friend.

LLLOOOLLL



Sorry... I just had to!

 

[Kaiser]

Should we not discuss the merits of resigning players as they are slated for new contracts?

 

[QuincyCarterEra]

The fact that you read it and seemed to ignore ELITE in the sentence, showing you missed the point went through your brain. Or are you saying every team has an elite running back?

No you disgus.

"If elite running backs were easily replaced everyone would have one" is what he said. Which wasn't the point at all. Replacing elite running back production was the topic. Showing you too missed the point and went over your head(not through your brain lmao). And no every team wouldn't have an elite RB, because wait for it..... they wouldn't then be elite. Can't believe two people don't understand that

Wow.

 

[Kaiser]

What would you rather talk about instead of one of the most consequential decisions before our front office?

You can write whatever you want and I can reply with whatever I want, them's the rules.

But Zeke was the best player in that draft and they got him at 4, plus RB was a position of need. Gurley had questions about his knee going back to college.

You can post anything, but if you post "Don't extend Prescott because, well....., umm......, RGIII" then I'm going to post the same replies.

 

[Rockport]

Just so we can get this out of the way and it's never brought up again, when discussing contracts we use empirical evidence within the salary CAP era.

This also helps when discussing RBs since they have since gone down in value tremendously since the non-salary CAP era.

So just so everyone gets it, if you're going to make a point do not use examples from over two decades ago as they have almost no relevance now.

Thank you

I’ll do whatever the hell I want Quincy. Stick to your bong.
Thank you.