Twitter: Eagles sign Wentz to 4 year extension for $128 million

[speedkilz88]

but that's the conundrum. if Dak gets a huge contract would we be able to provide him the good supporting cast? good supporting cast like cooper and zeke and a great OL are also going to cost money.

Every good team has to pay their qb. They make a certain percentage of the cap.

 

[Alexander]

Per former exec Joe Banner:

"Prescott is a good, solid quarterback, but he’s not even close to Wentz,’’ Banner said. “Let’s say [Prescott] went out and got $30 million [a year] from the Cowboys, which is totally reasonable when you consider that [the 49ers’ Jimmy] Garoppolo got $27.5 million.

“If Prescott got $32 million and I’m Carson and his agent, I’m not taking $32 million. So Prescott’s deal really could’ve pushed them up.’’

 

[HungryLion]

Per former exec Joe Banner:

"Prescott is a good, solid quarterback, but he’s not even close to Wentz,’’ Banner said. “Let’s say [Prescott] went out and got $30 million [a year] from the Cowboys, which is totally reasonable when you consider that [the 49ers’ Jimmy] Garoppolo got $27.5 million.

“If Prescott got $32 million and I’m Carson and his agent, I’m not taking $32 million. So Prescott’s deal really could’ve pushed them up.’’

Joe banner, the former eagles exec and friend of Jeffrey Lurie the eagles owner?

It was a solid deal for the eagles. But we have to take the source into consideration. Dak isn’t even close to Wentz when it comes contract value? Come on.

 

[big dog cowboy]

I wonder if the Eagles fans are furious that he got paid.

I know who you can ask.

 

[armadillooutlaw]

but that's the conundrum. if Dak gets a huge contract would we be able to provide him the good supporting cast? good supporting cast like cooper and zeke and a great OL are also going to cost money.

That's a valid concern.
I know Cooper is going to get a big deal & I believe he's essential for this offense.
I lean towards letting Zeke play out his five year deal & look to draft another good RB somewhere in the first three rounds of next years draft. Think DeMarco Murray, or James Conner in Pittsburgh, both third round picks.
The big three - Tryon, Fred & Martin are locked up already & I think you have your future LG & RT on rookie contracts with Williams & McGovern.
Supporting cast also means keeping the studs on defense though, too.
Jaylon Smith comes to mind.
We can cut fat next year by releasing Crawford, letting Collins walk. I'm iffy on Byron Jones.
JMO.

 

[HungryLion]

If people want to play games with the numbers. That can be done in Dak’a Favor too. Since cap
Space doesn’t expire and it carries over from season to season. The cowboys have saved a lot of money on the cap the past 2 years, by paying Dak peanuts. This has allowed the cowboys to be under the cap as far as they have been, not have to restructure other players contracts and for them to carry cap space further into the future.

So when Dak signs his new deal, are we going to calculate in his yearly average, while also taking into account the past cap savings which was carried over into future years and given the cowboys more cap
Room for years to come?

Something tells me that people who don’t want Dak extended, will refuse to view it that way.

I’m no cap expert. But Wentz has cost the eagles how much so far? 22+ million? Dak has cost the cowboys how much? 4-5 million at max?

That’s a 17 million difference.

And since that cap space carries into the future in perpetuity, since cap dollars available to spend
Never expire until they are spent, that means even if Dak is making more on his next contract, that savings carries over will mean he still wouldn’t be impacting the cowboys cap as much as Wentz has and will be. Because Wentz has a 17 million head start on costing more against the eagles available
Cap space.

@Nightman any assistance on these numbers would be appreciated.

 

[Hadenough]

That's a valid concern.
I know Cooper is going to get a big deal & I believe he's essential for this offense.
I lean towards letting Zeke play out his five year deal & look to draft another good RB somewhere in the first three rounds of next years draft. Think DeMarco Murray, or James Conner in Pittsburgh, both third round picks.
The big three - Tryon, Fred & Martin are locked up already & I think you have your future LG & RT on rookie contracts with Williams & McGovern.
Supporting cast also means keeping the studs on defense though, too.
Jaylon Smith comes to mind.
We can cut fat next year by releasing Crawford, letting Collins walk. I'm iffy on Byron Jones.
JMO.

Pretty much agree but at what point do they start looking to draft another LT. Smith and his back issues have slowed him down.

 

[speedkilz88]

Pretty much agree but at what point do they start looking to draft another LT. Smith and his back issues have slowed him down.

 

[armadillooutlaw]

Pretty much agree but at what point do they start looking to draft another LT. Smith and his back issues have slowed him down.

That's also a good point.
They should certainly look for a younger, healthy alternative.
Consider Tyron a possible trade piece in 2020.

 

[armadillooutlaw]

Oh, he's still a stud when he's healthy. The concern for me is that he's missed three games, three seasons in a row and what if his health takes a plunge?

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Every good team has to pay their qb. They make a certain percentage of the cap.

what I am referring to limiting that percentage regardless of what it is. so if $30Mill is 12% of the cap, and the limit is 10% maximum for QBs, then regardless, the QBs salary counts as 10%. not saying its ideal, but a way around escalating QB salaries

 

[armadillooutlaw]

Joe banner, the former eagles exec and friend of Jeffrey Lurie the eagles owner?

It was a solid deal for the eagles. But we have to take the source into consideration. Dak isn’t even close to Wentz when it comes contract value? Come on.

IMO, Dak has top 10, maybe top-8 QB potential.
Wentz has top-3 QB potential.
Potential, that is.
Dak is about as tough as a rock as far as durability.

 

[Blue&Silver]

He’s missed 29% of all possible games since his senior year of college.

19 of 66.

I was responding to a guy that said he didn't, or couldn't finish a season. He played 29 straight games before missing any time. That shoots that myth out of the water.

I said the Eagles would keep him over Foles, and they would extend him to a big money contract, they did.

If you can just look at their situation without bias it's easy to read what the Eagles are going to do, and what any other club would do. Talented quarterbacks don't grow on trees. The Colts didn't get rid of Peyton Manning, or Andrew Luck once they got injured. Green Bay didn't get rid of Aaron Rodgers who's often injured. If you have a quarterback that's capable of being the best player in the league teams will do anything to keep them with their club.

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

Joe banner, the former eagles exec and friend of Jeffrey Lurie the eagles owner?

It was a solid deal for the eagles. But we have to take the source into consideration. Dak isn’t even close to Wentz when it comes contract value? Come on.

Which of the two has won the division more in their careers? That should be the follow up to him. Answer is....ooh, that's right. It's Dak.

 

[Techsass]

No, but neither did his skill. Dude has been choking in the 4th quarter his whole career. Vikings were just desperate. They’re also the same fools that traded a first for sam freaking Bradford

Didn't they also screw up their draft pick - twice? Plus thought some kind of inflatable roof could withstand their winters? Nothing weird in the land o lakes.

 

[Fwed]

Joe banner, the former eagles exec and friend of Jeffrey Lurie the eagles owner?

It was a solid deal for the eagles. But we have to take the source into consideration. Dak isn’t even close to Wentz when it comes contract value? Come on.

yea, the guy who Lurie fired a few years ago.

 

[Fwed]

If people want to play games with the numbers. That can be done in Dak’a Favor too. Since cap
Space doesn’t expire and it carries over from season to season. The cowboys have saved a lot of money on the cap the past 2 years, by paying Dak peanuts. This has allowed the cowboys to be under the cap as far as they have been, not have to restructure other players contracts and for them to carry cap space further into the future.

So when Dak signs his new deal, are we going to calculate in his yearly average, while also taking into account the past cap savings which was carried over into future years and given the cowboys more cap
Room for years to come?

Something tells me that people who don’t want Dak extended, will refuse to view it that way.

I’m no cap expert. But Wentz has cost the eagles how much so far? 22+ million? Dak has cost the cowboys how much? 4-5 million at max?

That’s a 17 million difference.

And since that cap space carries into the future in perpetuity, since cap dollars available to spend
Never expire until they are spent, that means even if Dak is making more on his next contract, that savings carries over will mean he still wouldn’t be impacting the cowboys cap as much as Wentz has and will be. Because Wentz has a 17 million head start on costing more against the eagles available
Cap space.

@Nightman any assistance on these numbers would be appreciated.

if Jerry could get Wentz for 17M of cap space and Dak he would do it in a heartbeat. he would never admit it publically of course, but only an idiot wouldnt.

 

[Sydla]

Joe banner, the former eagles exec and friend of Jeffrey Lurie the eagles owner?

It was a solid deal for the eagles. But we have to take the source into consideration. Dak isn’t even close to Wentz when it comes contract value? Come on.

Banner was fired by Lurie. And he’s been critical of the eagles after he left. So don’t assume bias here.

The reality is that Banner’s thinking is likely in line with the predominant feeling around the league outside of Dallas.

 

[HungryLion]

Banner was fired by Lurie. And he’s been critical of the eagles after he left. So don’t assume bias here.

The reality is that Banner’s thinking is likely in line with the predominant feeling around the league outside of Dallas.

You have no way of knowing that. You’re just throwing darts at a board too man. Unless you happen to be in an NFL front office.

I do assume bias. We are all biased after all. I’m
Supposed to think banner doesn’t have some bias towards the eagles, an organization he worked for and city he lived in for a long time?

Either way, I stand by my opinion. Saying that Dak’a value is nowhere close to Wentz’s is nonsense. You can’t overstate the injury risks that Wentz presents. Major knee surgery and a back injury. We aren’t talking about minor injuries. That affects his value a ton.

 

[HungryLion]

if Jerry could get Wentz for 17M of cap space and Dak he would do it in a heartbeat. he would never admit it publically of course, but only an idiot wouldnt.

1. That’s not the point of my post. At all. But the fact you struggle to understand that is no surprise to me.

2. You don’t know that. Wentz hast accomplished any more than Dak at this point. And that is a 100% fact. So what exactly would he be paying more for? Wentz is so damn awesome, his team hasn’t skipped a beat when he was out, in either college or the pros.

He must be the only QB in history that his college program made a national title game without him and his nfl team won a Super Bowl without him. Yet people are still calling him a top MVP candidate.

Just laughable.