Pay Dak, he certainly deserves it

[Hawkeye0202]

But that's not really what people have said. People, specifically many Dak fans, have constantly eluded to 2017 as a year when Dak was let down by no Elliott, questionable WR play, injured OL, etc. Few have talked about sophomore slumps, etc.

The point here is that it's a height of silliness to slam one's fist on the table pumping up the wins he has accumulated and he's the reason why they have won 32 games and then turn around and blame the team for his not so good 2017 season.

You can't have it both ways. You can't just give him the bulk of the credit for our wins and then turn around and make excuses for the poor season.

Seems all factors mentioned were part of him taking a 2017 step back......

* Zeke was distracted and suspended
* Beasley was the best WR
* No question the OL had issues that comprise THEIR standard of play
* After exploding his rookie year, the league ( defensive coor that is ) had offseason worth of tapes to break down his game.

But the important thing is considering all the 2017 factors, (especially the final one) he recovered by the end 2018 season.

 

[Hawkeye0202]

ahh, the spinning continues....

these same DakFanatics would say, exactly the opposite and foam at the mouth if 2017 was the same average year as the other years....they would claim he has never had sophomore slump..
btw, that's a media made term...its not real.....

You never heard an NFL coach or GM reference the 3rd year as the best indicator of a rookie QB progress?

 

[aikemirv]

Actually none of these guys deserve the 30 million they are getting for the value they add to the team based on the salary cap. And as fans we don't deserve to have to pay $100 for a jersey, $7 for a hot dog or $100-$500 for a ticket - but I digress!

 

[Sydla]

Seems all factors mentioned were part of him taking a 2017 step back......

* Zeke was distracted and suspended
* Beasley was the best WR
* No question the OL had issues that comprise THEIR standard of play
* After exploding his rookie year, the league ( defensive coor that is ) had offseason worth of tapes to break down his game.

But the important thing is considering all the 2017 factors, (especially the final one) he recovered by the end 2018 season.

You are missing the point.

Why should he get all the credit for the wins but none of the blame for the losses and for the 2017 season?

 

[Hawkeye0202]

You are missing the point.

Why should he get all the credit for the wins but none of the blame for the losses and for the 2017 season?

Sure he's responsible some of the losses just like other players and even coaches, but to say he's getting ALL the credit and NONE of the blame is simply not true.

 

[America's Cowboy]

all players do. there is no denying that. but do you elevate the players around you? all we heard, Dak needs a #1 WR...well cooper is a top 5 WR....all we heard is the OL is trash, where they were middle of the pack.... all we heard it was defenses fault that we lost the rams game...…

Dak needs strong, players around him to be able to "drive the bus"....there is nothing wrong with that. everyone thinks being a bus driver is a bad thing. Dak has the ability to limit his mistakes, not take risks, manage the game and help the team to victory. for that he needs a strong supporting cast. the challenge for the cowboys is if they pay him $35 mill a year, can they sign Cooper? then we will hear all the cries, that he doesn't have a #1 WR...can they extend Martin, Fredrick? or Zeke and all we will hear is we have no running game, OL sucks....

Dak is not a bus driver. Just stop with your hate and bs already. You sound foolish and boorish quite honestly. Yes, we know, you don't like Dak. You make it clear every single day and all day long. Not much of a life but to spew Dak hatred every single day, all day long on any thread mentioning Dak. Nice.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

LOL....ya ok bud you keep selling the Dak Dream and will keep falling asleep when its 3rd and 12 and he's checking down or getting sacked and fumbling the ball or overthrowing a WIDE open TE or WR.....

P.S. Have a feeling 2020 is the year we DRAFT our new QB .....mark it Dak man!

You sound delusional lol. Dak is the future. Romo is of the past. Let him go. The sooner the better.

 

[America's Cowboy]

You are missing the point.

Why should he get all the credit for the wins but none of the blame for the losses and for the 2017 season?

Did you say that for Romo?

Nope.

 

[America's Cowboy]

LOL....ya ok bud you keep selling the Dak Dream and will keep falling asleep when its 3rd and 12 and he's checking down or getting sacked and fumbling the ball or overthrowing a WIDE open TE or WR.....

P.S. Have a feeling 2020 is the year we DRAFT our new QB .....mark it Dak man!

Every year for the past 2 seasons you have been saying this PappyDog. Still not going to happen. I actually feel sorry for your misery. lol

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

And you are discounting a very real possibility............ teams see what happened with Jimmy G and Cousins and don't want to repeat that mistake. Inevitably, there is always pull back when things get a bit out of whack.

Also, if you are going to cite what the rest of the league thinks, there's a pretty good chance that around the league, teams don't view Dak as good as Wentz, hence they won't pay him as much as Wentz got.

Something tells me that the Cowboys are also one of those teams that doesn't think he should be paid what Wentz got. If they did, something would be done by now. I think they are holding the line below what Wentz got.

I never said teams value Dak as much as Wentz. I don’t even think teams value Wentz like the Eagirls.

We see it time and time again. No team looks at other teams failures and try to learn from them. No one does. Teams repeat the same mistakes every offseason. How many times have we seen teams trade for a Patriots player or sign a Patriots coach just for it to fail? And that still doesn’t stop them.

Dak is getting paid. It’s taking awhile. Why would Dak rush to sign?

 

[INCowboysFan]

Honest question.......you think Brady would have multiple rings WITHOUT Belichick. Other words, I agree that Brady probably does more with limited offensive talent than any QB but can he carry the team w/o a great defense. I'm not sure he can ......

Brady is a product of the system he is in and the era that he plays. A different coach and he doesn't have 6 rings. If he played 25 years ago, teams would have teed off on him because he is a statue back there and he would have retired at 35. But since teams are not allowed to touch him he can play until he is 45.

 

[Sydla]

Did you say that for Romo?

Nope.

Again, find these posts where I said what you accused me of saying.

If you can't, then you should probably shut up and stop making a fool out of yourself.

What's really hilarious about this is you paint me as some Romo homer and I was far from that. In fact, when people were arguing that Romo should have taken the job back from Dak in 2016, I stated the opposite............. that you should ride with Dak.

 

[America's Cowboy]

If you continue to want to lie and make things up, you show your lack of true character. Again, find these posts where I said what you accused me of saying.

If you can't, then you should probably shut up and stop making a fool out of yourself.

Tony says hi.

 

[Sydla]

I never said teams value Dak as much as Wentz. I don’t even think teams value Wentz like the Eagirls.

We see it time and time again. No team looks at other teams failures and try to learn from them. No one does. Teams repeat the same mistakes every offseason. How many times have we seen teams trade for a Patriots player or sign a Patriots coach just for it to fail? And that still doesn’t stop them.

Dak is getting paid. It’s taking awhile. Why would Dak rush to sign?

It's taking awhile because I suspect Dak and his agent are asking for elite money and the Cowboys aren't willing to pay him that elite contract.

 

[Reverend Conehead]

It's not a question of whether he deserves it. Of course he does. But it's a question of whether he's our best chance at a championship.

 

[Techsass]

Brady is a product of the system he is in and the era that he plays. A different coach and he doesn't have 6 rings. If he played 25 years ago, teams would have teed off on him because he is a statue back there and he would have retired at 35. But since teams are not allowed to touch him he can play until he is 45.

All true, but he is still the GOAT.

 

[Sydla]

Tony says hi.

Tell him thanks.

But it's always interesting to see the type of guy who will make things up on the internet in order to try to win a silly debate. It's not surprising you are one of those types.

 

[InTheZone]

Sure he's responsible some of the losses just like other players and even coaches, but to say he's getting ALL the credit and NONE of the blame is simply not true.

I disagree. The ones all in Daks basket never mention Garrett's past 3 year record and division titles, or say Zekes 3 year win record. But don't you dare try to pin any lose on Dak. Its ok though to bash anyone else or put majority blame on any other person.

 

[Sydla]

I disagree. The ones all in Daks basket never mention Garrett's past 3 year record and division titles, or say Zekes 3 year win record. But don't you dare try to pin any lose on Dak. Its ok though to bash anyone else or put majority blame on any other person.

Yep.

Hawkeye might not say those things but some Dak supporters have absolutely overvalued Dak's responsibility for the wins but then turned around and made excuses for the bad losses and performances. In other words, Dak carried the team to two divisional titles and 32 wins, but "the team" let Dak down in 2017 and in the losses.

 

[sean10mm]

Brady is a product of the system he is in and the era that he plays. A different coach and he doesn't have 6 rings. If he played 25 years ago, teams would have teed off on him because he is a statue back there and he would have retired at 35. But since teams are not allowed to touch him he can play until he is 45.

I love talk about "the system." So why doesn't everybody else use that system and make their own Brady? The Erhardt-Perkins offense the Patriots run was invented in the 1970s, and I don't recall anybody being scared of them back then. It sure didn't make the likes of Tony Eason look special.

Everybody's the product of their era. Even Staubach benefitted from rules changes, his stats blew up the second they made the first big rule changes to open up the passing game in the late 70s. You think Aikman didn't benefit from passing rules being easier still than they were in Staubach's time? This era also has big DISADVANTAGES for would-be dynasties. Free agency and the cap mean it's basically impossible for teams to hoard talent like you could in the 70s or even the early-mid 90s, yet Brady has been the linchpin of a double dynasty anyway.

Ultimately people have to be judged on what they ACTUALLY DID, not what we think they coulda-shoulda-woulda done or not done.