Report: Dak Prescott counteroffer higher than Carson Wentz deal

[QuincyCarterEra]

Cowboys could just tag him and the tag would be roughly what he would get AAV.

If he just has an average to decent year in 2019, there is ZERO chance he's going to get more than he's asking for now. Zero.

Yes, but we could also do that right now, you don't see how we lose a year?

You said another decent year, if Dak has another year like last year in 2019 there is ZERO chance he doesn't get more than he would now. ZERO

 

[glimmerman]

Ah um glimmerman, not to step in your pudding bro, but wasn't it Nick Foles who won a SB? Correct me if I am mistaken, but I believe ole Wentz was on that stretcher I mentioned in my above post...

Lol. Sorry maybe I posted if wrong. When I said SB winning QB I was referring to Wilson. I believe his contract was 34 a year. And that’s what Daks agent is asking for. But yeah foles helped them get a ring. Only reason wentz got one is because he was standing on the sidelines when they won. And if not for the egirls defense then brady totally drives it in for that final td. I was never sold on foles.

 

[Gaede]

I care because I don’t want to be in salary cap hell again.

The team always figures a way out. There is no such thing as hell to them, merely purgatory.

 

[silvrNblue]

What exactly does the league demand because I don't see anybody offering 30 million to Dak. What am I missing?

Then your asleep, comatose or drunk....here I'll help ya... Wentz just signed for what 32? Um Dak beats Wentz all day, so where do you think the $ gets set. As far as that goes, Dak to cousins, and Dak wins that one also, and he is being paid 28 for some pretty mediocre QBing. We have a sound QB in Prescott, no, he's not a Brady caliber type, but he loves the game, plays hard and has done enough to send us to the playoffs 2 of his 3 years. Can't say the same for a few others making more then Dak...my final thoughts on it. And again, Pay him. 31, 32, 33 mil, just get it done now before the league demands more.

 

[QuincyCarterEra]

What exactly does the league demand because I don't see anybody offering 30 million to Dak. What am I missing?

If you don't see it then you're blind.

Really that simple

 

[Sydla]

No. Far from it. I'm just saying that if you want him to take you to the next level, the Offense has to change up a bit. I think he gets a bad rap but whatever.

He definitely gets a bad rap. Minnesota's nosedive in 2018 wasn't due to Cousins. Their defense wasn't nearly as good.

 

[Sydla]

That's right cause that's all weve been now his 3 years as QB.... good grief Sydla, why don't you simply come out from under the rug and ADMIT, you simply dislike Dak Prescott, your always putting the cart before the horse as if you OWN the damn cart. PAY him what the league demands now ( which had we done this last year, then you could complain that the 18 mil he got paid was over the top, but that's for another conversation) just get him paid, like him, hate him, despise him, Dak Prescott is the QB of your Dallas Cowboys.

It's such lazy and idiotic chatter that basically is a waste of my and most others that want to have a reasonable discussion on this.

If you aren't blowing smoke up Dak's butt you have to be a hater. LOL. Geezus.

 

[Sydla]

Yes, but we could also do that right now, you don't see how we lose a year?

You said another decent year, if Dak has another year like last year in 2019 there is ZERO chance he doesn't get more than he would now. ZERO

I don't get your first point. Do what right now? Tag him?

As for your second point, I've already said if he plays like he did in the latter half of 2018, he's going to get more than we'd have to pay him now. But I am OK with that because then at least I have a better idea of where he's trending as a QB.

Now what happens if he ends up playing like he did in 2017 or early 2018?

 

[silvrNblue]

Exactly what makes you think I owe you an excuse for him? I don't. He is playing in the wrong offense in Minnesota, that's a fact. You can accept that nor not. Doesn't matter to me.

ROFL.. ok... wrong offense, hum I know add 2 players for him and that should fix it. Lord some of you guys get way to serious, never said YOU owed me a damn thing, I simply asked what was HIS excuse under the skins? Hum sounds as if I was making a stamen there, NOT a request for you to come up with one.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Then your asleep, comatose or drunk....here I'll help ya... Wentz just signed for what 32? Um Dak beats Wentz all day, so where do you think the $ gets set. As far as that goes, Dak to cousins, and Dak wins that one also, and he is being paid 28 for some pretty mediocre QBing. We have a sound QB in Prescott, no, he's not a Brady caliber type, but he loves the game, plays hard and has done enough to send us to the playoffs 2 of his 3 years. Can't say the same for a few others making more then Dak...my final thoughts on it. And again, Pay him. 31, 32, 33 mil, just get it done now before the league demands more.

No, can't help me. Just stop already. This has been discussed over and over and you coming in and telling us what we already know doesn't answer the question.

I see no reason to pay him anything more then what they have to.

 

[Sydla]

Then your asleep, comatose or drunk....here I'll help ya... Wentz just signed for what 32? Um Dak beats Wentz all day, so where do you think the $ gets set. As far as that goes, Dak to cousins, and Dak wins that one also, and he is being paid 28 for some pretty mediocre QBing. We have a sound QB in Prescott, no, he's not a Brady caliber type, but he loves the game, plays hard and has done enough to send us to the playoffs 2 of his 3 years. Can't say the same for a few others making more then Dak...my final thoughts on it. And again, Pay him. 31, 32, 33 mil, just get it done now before the league demands more.

Unfortunately, what many here don't realize is that it's mostly Cowboys fans that think Dak is better than Wentz. If you polled people around the league, most executives and front office people would put their cart behind Wentz before Dak. A big part of that is the relative ceilings each is perceived to have.

So when Wentz got $32MM, the natural inclination amongst Dallas fans was well Dak will and should get more. But I bet around the league, most wouldn't put that high of value on Dak. And frankly, Dallas might not either because you would think after Wentz signed it would easier to pay Dak but the Cowboys have not apparently budged on this despite Dak coming back with an offer higher than Wentz.

 

[glimmerman]

Then your asleep, comatose or drunk....here I'll help ya... Wentz just signed for what 32? Um Dak beats Wentz all day, so where do you think the $ gets set. As far as that goes, Dak to cousins, and Dak wins that one also, and he is being paid 28 for some pretty mediocre QBing. We have a sound QB in Prescott, no, he's not a Brady caliber type, but he loves the game, plays hard and has done enough to send us to the playoffs 2 of his 3 years. Can't say the same for a few others making more then Dak...my final thoughts on it. And again, Pay him. 31, 32, 33 mil, just get it done now before the league demands more.

And you have goff and mahomes up next. Whether Dak is as good as either of them or not has nothing to do with it. It’s about the floor being set for a NFL franchise starting QB. It’s up to the player to step up and say I don’t want 32 million I will take 25 million so you can sign players around me. Other than brady I don’t know of any QB that will do that. And if brady was coming off of his rookie deal he wouldn’t do it either. He is worth 200 million and his wife even more.

 

[Sydla]

If you don't see it then you're blind.

Really that simple

See what?

ABQ's question is right. What is the league demand on Dak?

 

[QuincyCarterEra]

I don't get your first point. Do what right now? Tag him?

As for your second point, I've already said if he plays like he did in the latter half of 2018, he's going to get more than we'd have to pay him now. But I am OK with that because then at least I have a better idea of where he's trending as a QB.

Now what happens if he ends up playing like he did in 2017 or early 2018?

Ugh, okay, I'll lay it out.

Right now we can have him play out this year, then tag him twice after that.
Next year we would resort to tagging him twice
That's a year of leverage that the team loses. If the team loses leverage, the price tag goes higher.

Then you said it in a different post than what I quoted. And I didn't say later half of last year, I said in 2018.

But yes just for clarity sake:
If Dak plays at a decent level next year to what he played last year(not just end), Dak would without a doubt demand more than he does now given that the team loses a year of leverage and the QB market rises.

Okay cool

 

[Sydla]

And you have goff and mahomes up next. Whether Dak is as good as either of them or not has nothing to do with it. It’s about the floor being set for a NFL franchise starting QB. It’s up to the player to step up and say I don’t want 32 million I will take 25 million so you can sign players around me. Other than brady I don’t know of any QB that will do that. And if brady was coming off of his rookie deal he wouldn’t do it either. He is worth 200 million and his wife even more.

But value plays a part in this. Just because you are a relatively decent QB doesn't mean when your contract is up you can demand and be paid like a Top 3 QB simply using the logic that hey, in a few years it won't look like that big a contract.

This mythical salary floor for a franchise QB is poppycock because not all "franchise" QBs are the same.

 

[QuincyCarterEra]

See what?

ABQ's question is right. What is the league demand on Dak?

Are you not able to read today? He clearly states he can't see another team paying Dak $30M.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

ROFL.. ok... wrong offense, hum I know add 2 players for him and that should fix it. Lord some of you guys get way to serious, never said YOU owed me a damn thing, I simply asked what was HIS excuse under the skins? Hum sounds as if I was making a stamen there, NOT a request for you to come up with one.

What does, "I know add 2 players for him" mean?

Why the Skins didn't win a championship with Cousins is not a simple question. It's a thread all it's own so don't act like it's just some casual thing. You are asking somebody to spend considerable time going into it on a player that isn't even a Cowboy. Don't get your feelings hurt if nobody wants to do that over Cousins.

Another thing, don't go around suggesting people are drunk or whatever when you can't even post in a manner that makes sense. What does "stamen" mean? What things sound like to you and what they actually sound like are two very different things.

 

[Sydla]

Are you not able to read today? He clearly states he can't see another team paying Dak $30M.

Can you prove him wrong?

 

[Sydla]

Ugh, okay, I'll lay it out.

Right now we can have him play out this year, then tag him twice after that.
Next year we would resort to tagging him twice
That's a year of leverage that the team loses. If the team loses leverage, the price tag goes higher.

Then you said it in a different post than what I quoted. And I didn't say later half of last year, I said in 2018.

But yes just for clarity sake:
If Dak plays at a decent level next year to what he played last year(not just end), Dak would without a doubt demand more than he does now given that the team loses a year of leverage and the QB market rises.

Okay cool

So we couldn't sign him after this year? Or after his tagged 2020 season?

The problem with guys like you is you argue in such extremes. Like if we don't sign him now, A or B will happen.

No, that's not what will happen for sure. He could play great, the Cowboys could then be way more comfortable in giving him an elite contract and pay a premium over what they were willing to pay him now. Or, as you said, they could tag him for a year and then revisit his contract in 2021. And with a new CBA coming up, there's so much uncertainty with what's going on. Maybe the cap explodes in the new CBA and paying Dak $40MM a year doesn't matter at that point.

PS - There were two different Daks in 2018, hence why I made the split. In other words, which Dak would you rather have - the one pre-Cooper or the one post-Cooper?

 

[QuincyCarterEra]

Can you prove him wrong?

With ease

In a league where Kirk Cousins gets $28M fully guaranteed at the age of 29 last year, Jimmy G gets $27.5M at 26 after only a handful of starts a year ago, and Carson Wentz who has not shown to be any better than Dak gets $32M while carrying injury issues this year, there's no conceivable argument for a franchise QB like Dak not to hit at least $30M.

It's not difficult