Dak-Deniers/Fact Haters, What Will Dak Have to Do for You to Eat Crow?

[Diehardblues]

I no longer have those expectations of failure. This is not the same old Cowboys. When you've been paying attention and living this game following this franchise it's obvious. The future is bright

It’s possibly brighter than it’s been but until we reach the next level those expectations are unfounded while still certainly the goal.

 

[Sydla]

Our history doesn’t reflect our current trends which is where true expectations are perceived from.

Expecting our current team to reach Super Bowls due to former teams from 25-40 years ago is unfounded .

We were one of the elite football franchises. The Bar has been lowered. We certainly can’t consider ourselves one of the elite franchises this era despite our popularity and monetary success.

You just made my point for me. The bar has been lowered. And that's why some of the real homers are OK and champion making the playoffs or winning 9 games in 2017 (which some fans here absolutely did).

This team has been talented enough to at least make a conference champ run the last few years. Certainly, if half the team contracted the bubonic plague in August, you'd have to adjust your expectations accordingly for the 2019 season. But overall, this team has underperformed, in quite a few recent seasons, where they should have actually been.

But again, I understand the difficulty it is for some to admit the failures. It's easier to just try to move the bar for what constitutes success.

 

[CouchCoach]

My argument is we really can't know for sure what kind of QB he's going to be. He's shown flashes that gives you the impression he could become an upper echelon QB and then shown you things that should give any fan willing to hand him $34MM a year pause.

That's been my entire point from the start. Hence why I have zero problems with the Cowboys if they were to make him play out 2019 under his current contract.[/QUOTE]

 

[starfan1]

I don't care why the Chiefs lost that game. The only point I was trying to make is how flustered the quarterback was when he got pressured up the middle. He's human lol

I’m actually agreeing with you in part every qb get flustered up the middle and Dak puts up good stats it’s his fault . Mahomes it’s not

 

[Whirlwin]

It’s possibly brighter than it’s been but until we reach the next level those expectations are unfounded while still certainly the goal.

I don't think people understand what a young team this is. And how hard it was to accomplish in today's NFL for them to get to the second round of the playoffs. I know expectations are Super Bowl or bust. But I don't think people are paying attention to the entire picture. The Experience alone was priceless.

 

[CouchCoach]

My argument is we really can't know for sure what kind of QB he's going to be. He's shown flashes that gives you the impression he could become an upper echelon QB and then shown you things that should give any fan willing to hand him $34MM a year pause.

That's been my entire point from the start. Hence why I have zero problems with the Cowboys if they were to make him play out 2019 under his current contract.

I, not only had no problem with that, but wanted that until recently.

Then I asked the question, if not Prescott then who is the QB? He's not my first choice, or first 8, but is there a chance they could do worse? This is a FO that tried to take Lynch and Cook before selecting him by default, where are they now? Goff was considered a dud until McVay showed up and Wentz can't stay healthy. The same FO with that rogue's gallery of QB's between Aikman, a no brainer, and Romo, a stroke of luck because of a coach on the team.

And some will say, just a minute there podnah, McClay wasn't there for the rogue's gallery. True, but he was there for Lynch and Cook.

You must have a hell of a lot more confidence in this FO to do better than Prescott because I do not. Even if they mortgaged the future to move up to get Tua or Herbert, what's the guarantee that they'll be better than Prescott? Other than Mayfield, what's the verdict on every QB picked in the last two drafts?

I ask myself one question about the QB, is he good enough to get it done and the answer I come back with is absolutely, he's good enough to take this team all the way.

The problem with posters and this Dak Prescott issue is that they're trying to justify the contract with the QB instead of considering the price of the QB1, regardless of who that is, in the game today. Prescott didn't create the market, Cousins and Garoppolo's agents and MIN and SF created it. They set the bar at 27.5M and 28M for QB's that had accomplished nothing. This QB has won the division 2 out of 3 and has a 66% win %.

They don't pay QB's for awards and stats, they pay them for wins.​

 

[Whirlwin]

I’m actually agreeing with you in part every qb get flustered up the middle and Dak puts up good stats it’s his fault . Mahomes it’s not

I've been asking for a defensive tackle for Four Seasons now. If you can't get pressure up the middle I believe you can't win in this league. I can't wait to finally have a defensive line with rotation. This is going to be one of the more interesting seasons for me in over 60 years. And that's saying something

 

[Diehardblues]

I don't think people understand what a young team this is. And how hard it was to accomplish in today's NFL for them to get to the second round of the playoffs. I know expectations are Super Bowl or bust. But I don't think people are paying attention to the entire picture. The Experience alone was priceless.

Goals and expectations aren’t necessarily the same.

 

[percyhoward]

Elliott took himself out of the game way too often for my liking but I understand why turn it by time we go to the Red Zone he was gassed and we didn't have an answer. Dak Prescott threw Jason Witten his first-ever playoff touchdown pass. Now I know Jason's not huge for touchdowns but I think he's going to be a difference-maker this season in that area. I'm hoping they put the ball and Prescott's hands more also rather than just trying to play ball control keep the young defense off the field and not overexpose them. Appreciate that someone understands what's happening out there and not just blame the quarterback

When your red zone ranking slips from top 10 to bottom 5 with the same QB, it tells you that the biggest red zone issues are unrelated to QB. That also means the QB wasn't good enough to overcome these issues, however. If this offense can get back up into the top 10 in the red zone despite a WR1 who has never been a red zone threat, that would be impressive.

 

[Sydla]

I not only had no problem with that, but wanted that until recently.

Then I asked the question, if not Prescott then who is the QB? He's not my first choice, or first 8, but is there a chance they could do worse? This is a FO that tried to take Lynch and Cook before selecting him by default, where are they now? Goff was considered a dud until McVay showed up and Wentz can't stay healthy. The same FO with that rogue's gallery of QB's between Aikman, a no brainer, and Romo, a stroke of luck because of a coach on the team.

And some will say, just a minute there podnah, McClay wasn't there for the rogue's gallery. True, but he was there for Lynch and Cook.

You must have a hell of a lot more confidence in this FO to do better than Prescott because I do not. Even if they mortgaged the future to move up to get Tua or Herbert, what's the guarantee that they'll be better than Prescott? Other than Mayfield, what's the verdict on every QB picked in the last two drafts?

I ask myself one question about the QB, is he good enough to get it done and the answer I come back with is absolutely, he's good enough to take this team all the way.

The problem with posters and this Dak Prescott issue is that they're trying to justify the contract with the QB instead of considering the price of the QB1, regardless of who that is, in the game today. Prescott didn't create the market, Cousins and Garoppolo's agents and MIN and SF created it. They set the bar at 27.5M and 28M for QB's that had accomplished nothing. This QB has won the division 2 out of 3 and has a 66% win %.

They don't pay QB's for awards and stats, they pay them for wins.

No, they don't pay QBs for wins. If that were the case, Tim Tebow would still be getting paid in the NFL. All he did was win.

I'll just say this........... the logic of having to overpay your QB and possibly enter into what could be a damaging contract because you fear you won't find someone better down the road is just a horrendous way to do business. You shouldn't base what you are willing or not willing to pay a QB on what kind of QB you can or can't get a year or two later.

Again, just because you think Minnesota and SF screwed up doesn't mean we don't have to as well. And it's not like if by waiting to pay Dak you lose him for sure after 2019. You could easily tag him for a couple of years as well while you work out a long term deal. People are acting scared like if you don't pay him now, you will lose him forever.

 

[CouchCoach]

I don't think people understand what a young team this is. And how hard it was to accomplish in today's NFL for them to get to the second round of the playoffs. I know expectations are Super Bowl or bust. But I don't think people are paying attention to the entire picture. The Experience alone was priceless.

Name me another Cowboys season with a turnaround like that one? There wasn't one poster here not giving up the season at 3-5 and the Cowboys looked like a 3-5 team.

3-5 to 11-7 with a playoff win and all can some can focus on is 270 yards rushing in LA. You cannot fix others' expectations for them.

 

[Whirlwin]

When your red zone ranking slips from top 10 to bottom 5 with the same QB, it tells you that the biggest red zone issues are unrelated to QB. That also means the QB wasn't good enough to overcome these issues, however. If this offense can back into the top 10 in the red zone despite a WR1 who has never been a red zone threat, that would be impressive.

When Prescott did a head over heels I believe it was against the Falcons. For a touchdown you showed me he wanted to be the leader of this team. Put your 100% correct in your statements this is a team sport it takes everybody I don't believe a quarterback carries a team in this league any longer

 

[Diehardblues]

I, not only had no problem with that, but wanted that until recently.

Then I asked the question, if not Prescott then who is the QB? He's not my first choice, or first 8, but is there a chance they could do worse? This is a FO that tried to take Lynch and Cook before selecting him by default, where are they now? Goff was considered a dud until McVay showed up and Wentz can't stay healthy. The same FO with that rogue's gallery of QB's between Aikman, a no brainer, and Romo, a stroke of luck because of a coach on the team.

And some will say, just a minute there podnah, McClay wasn't there for the rogue's gallery. True, but he was there for Lynch and Cook.

You must have a hell of a lot more confidence in this FO to do better than Prescott because I do not. Even if they mortgaged the future to move up to get Tua or Herbert, what's the guarantee that they'll be better than Prescott? Other than Mayfield, what's the verdict on every QB picked in the last two drafts?

I ask myself one question about the QB, is he good enough to get it done and the answer I come back with is absolutely, he's good enough to take this team all the way.

The problem with posters and this Dak Prescott issue is that they're trying to justify the contract with the QB instead of considering the price of the QB1, regardless of who that is, in the game today. Prescott didn't create the market, Cousins and Garoppolo's agents and MIN and SF created it. They set the bar at 27.5M and 28M for QB's that had accomplished nothing. This QB has won the division 2 out of 3 and has a 66% win %.

They don't pay QB's for awards and stats, they pay them for wins.​

Interesting you have no faith our organization could find a better QB but have faith they can continue with the supporting cast once we pay him?

 

[Sydla]

Name me another Cowboys season with a turnaround like that one? There wasn't one poster here not giving up the season at 3-5 and the Cowboys looked like a 3-5 team.

3-5 to 11-7 with a playoff win and all can some can focus on is 270 yards rushing in LA. You cannot fix others' expectations for them.

The team never should have been 3-5 to start the year. That's the point. Just because they rebounded from a crappy start doesn't mean we should then say, wow, what a great season!

 

[Whirlwin]

No, they don't pay QBs for wins. If that were the case, Tim Tebow would still be getting paid in the NFL. All he did was win.

I'll just say this........... the logic of having to overpay your QB and possibly enter into what could be a damaging contract because you fear you won't find someone better down the road is just a horrendous way to do business. You shouldn't base what you are willing or not willing to pay a QB on what kind of QB you can or can't get a year or two later.

Again, just because you think Minnesota and SF screwed up doesn't mean we don't have to as well. And it's not like if by waiting to pay Dak you lose him for sure after 2019. You could easily tag him for a couple of years as well while you work out a long term deal. People are acting scared like if you don't pay him now, you will lose him forever.

I'm not acting scared. I would just pay him now to get it done. I trust in Prescott. I think he's going to want more later. And I don't have a problem with that either. I know what the alternative can be again I just having to have more confidence than you in our quarterback that's all

 

[Whirlwin]

Interesting you have no faith our organization could find a better QB but have faith they can continue with the supporting cast once we pay him?

I initially thought the same thing. Don't look that deep into what he said. Basically he doesn't trust in the Jones boys. But he does trust in the rest at least that's what I got out of it

 

[Whirlwin]

The team never should have been 3-5 to start the year. That's the point. Just because they rebounded from a crappy start doesn't mean we should then say, wow, what a great season!

That's right we never should have lost our starting tight end Center wide receiver. Left guard. We should have found a way to overcome that. That's on the organization but they fixed it

 

[Whirlwin]

The team never should have been 3-5 to start the year. That's the point. Just because they rebounded from a crappy start doesn't mean we should then say, wow, what a great season!

Do you really not understand what happened in the beginning of the season and why we had that record? Do you understand why we play Smash Mouth football ball control. They don't want to overexpose the young defense. I have to question what you're thinking. Sometimes you're intelligent and sometimes I scratch my head

 

[Diehardblues]

You just made my point for me. The bar has been lowered. And that's why some of the real homers are OK and champion making the playoffs or winning 9 games in 2017 (which some fans here absolutely did).

This team has been talented enough to at least make a conference champ run the last few years. Certainly, if half the team contracted the bubonic plague in August, you'd have to adjust your expectations accordingly for the 2019 season. But overall, this team has underperformed, in quite a few recent seasons, where they should have actually been.

But again, I understand the difficulty it is for some to admit the failures. It's easier to just try to move the bar for what constitutes success.

That’s a subjective argument that “ this team had been talented enough to at least make a conference champ run”.

After a 3-4 start last year coming off a 9-7 season we certainly looked like IMO we over achieved.

 

[Diehardblues]

The team never should have been 3-5 to start the year. That's the point. Just because they rebounded from a crappy start doesn't mean we should then say, wow, what a great season!

I’m not sure how you arrive at such an assumption?