The Cap: how it has changed the league (and should change Garrett)

[Reid1boys]

KC has been pretty steady and I would rank Reid as the 2nd best HC in the league but the key to it is what the best coach in the league discovered and has been better at that than any other. He truly sees it as a team of 53, not 22. No other HC is able to withstand the injuries like he can because he plans for them. He didn't even offer Flowers a contract because he knew it would be close to what Lawrence got and 21M isn't what a smart team puts on any one D player, especially a DE. That's at least 2 players to him.

It's a Catch 22. The Cowboys give Lawrence 21M because they're afraid to go into the season without him, why? Because they know they don't have the coaching to make it without him.

If I was an owner, I would have the best paid coaches, and largest coaching staff, in the league and if I missed on one, I would bite the bullet and pay him and bring in another. There is a very good reason Belichick, Saban and Swinney are the best paid coaches in the game. And if they need another body, all they need do is ask.

It was interesting to see Parcells and what he did with his coaching staff by separating the passing coordinator and run coordinator, I would never not have that. I would have the same on the D side under my DC too.

Sorry CC... Reid is laughable to me. Not that he isnt a good coach, but he has ZERO titles, and if JG had done the same as Reid, people in here, and probably you would still be running him out of town because he has no rings, none, nada, zip. And how many years has he been a HC? here, Ill help you out. 20 years... 20 season he has been a head coach and zero titles. You telling me youd be ok with JG doin gthat? nah, I wont by that for a second.


Hey... and as I described coaches riding the wave with the arrival of the new QB... guess who rode the wave upon McNabb's emergence as a stud... yep reid. Guess whos about to ride the wave of Mahomes.... oooops... I forgot, it was Reid that made McNabb and has had a HUGE part in Mahomes becoming a stud. Thank god for andy reid....lol

 

[CouchCoach]

Sorry CC... Reid is laughable to me. Not that he isnt a good coach, but he has ZERO titles, and if JG had done the same as Reid, people in here, and probably you would still be running him out of town because he has no rings, none, nada, zip. And how many years has he been a HC? here, Ill help you out. 20 years... 20 season he has been a head coach and zero titles. You telling me youd be ok with JG doin gthat? nah, I wont by that for a second.


Hey... and as I described coaches riding the wave with the arrival of the new QB... guess who rode the wave upon McNabb's emergence as a stud... yep reid. Guess whos about to ride the wave of Mahomes.... oooops... I forgot, it was Reid that made McNabb and has had a HUGE part in Mahomes becoming a stud. Thank god for andy reid....lol

Who picked McNabb and Mahomes? Who made the trade to send Smith away and put Mahomes in as QB1?

We just have different respect levels for his coaching and I am not nor have I ever been about the rings.

 

[GhostOfPelluer]

Andy Reid is proof that coaching isn't all you need to win a championship. I'd take Reid over Mike McCarthy, Mike Tomlin, Jon Gruden, Doug Pederson and Tony Dungy, He's a top 5 coach in the league right now, maybe top 3.

 

[Diehardblues]

Sorry CC... Reid is laughable to me. Not that he isnt a good coach, but he has ZERO titles, and if JG had done the same as Reid, people in here, and probably you would still be running him out of town because he has no rings, none, nada, zip. And how many years has he been a HC? here, Ill help you out. 20 years... 20 season he has been a head coach and zero titles. You telling me youd be ok with JG doin gthat? nah, I wont by that for a second.


Hey... and as I described coaches riding the wave with the arrival of the new QB... guess who rode the wave upon McNabb's emergence as a stud... yep reid. Guess whos about to ride the wave of Mahomes.... oooops... I forgot, it was Reid that made McNabb and has had a HUGE part in Mahomes becoming a stud. Thank god for andy reid....lol

Yea, I’d consider Andy one of the Elite HC this era. Anytime you can build championship contenders at different cities despite not winning a championship, you got it going on IMO.

 

[CouchCoach]

Your point at backup QB is legit. This train comes off the tracks if Mike White or Cooper Rush have to play many meaningful snaps. The only potential excuse is who is out there and who would we sign (even early this offseason)?

What team has a backup that could step in? Some don't even know if they have their QB1 yet.

 

[GhostOfPelluer]

What team has a backup that could step in? Some don't even know if they have their QB1 yet.

I'm not trying to discredit that point. All I'm saying is if we're talking about team concerns as it appears right now, you'd probably say safety, kicker and QB depth. Maybe LB depth, too?

 

[Diehardblues]

What team has a backup that could step in? Some don't even know if they have their QB1 yet.

Sometimes you don’t know until they step in but you have a valid point.

There are however some teams that do use higher draft values as backups though. Like earlier than 4th or 5th rounds.

Foles was a 3rd round pick. Jimmy G a 2nd rounder.

 

[CouchCoach]

I'm not trying to discredit that point. All I'm saying is if we're talking about team concerns as it appears right now, you'd probably say safety, kicker and QB depth. Maybe LB depth, too?

Yep and depth is an illusion too many times. I've seen threads about how loaded the DL and OL are and wondering the odd men out when in reality, we don't know how well the starters are going to play.

If Prescott goes down, the season, whatever that was going to be, goes down with him. Not only do I not have any confidence in the two backups, I have less in the coaching staff to overcome that. They struggled with a RB or WR or C out, QB goes down and it's "Coffee and Draft Talk" in the Members Zone.

 

[Diehardblues]

Yep and depth is an illusion too many times. I've seen threads about how loaded the DL and OL are and wondering the odd men out when in reality, we don't know how well the starters are going to play.

If Prescott goes down, the season, whatever that was going to be, goes down with him. Not only do I not have any confidence in the two backups, I have less in the coaching staff to overcome that. They struggled with a RB or WR or C out, QB goes down and it's "Coffee and Draft Talk" in the Members Zone.

Why wasn’t our season over in 2016?

The better supporting cast on offense and the stouter defenses the more apt the season goes on.

Texans season wasn’t over with Weeden but ours was with him.

 

[CouchCoach]

Sometimes you don’t know until they step in but you have a valid point.

There are some teams that do use higher draft values as backups though. Like earlier than 4th or 5th rounds.

Foles was a 3rd round pick. Jimmy G a 2nd rounder.

Depends on how a team views the backup role. Are they picking what might be the future starter or a player to step in on an emergency basis? I think Jimmy G was a future starter and even then the evil mind of the mad scientist was working in anticipation of trading Brady and get a pocketful of prime picks.

Brady out maneuvered him with Kraft and in taking a % of his value on the open market. Smart move, keep the best coach he could have and keep collecting jewelry.

 

[Reid1boys]

Who picked McNabb and Mahomes? Who made the trade to send Smith away and put Mahomes in as QB1?

We just have different respect levels for his coaching and I am not nor have I ever been about the rings.

I respect Reid, I think he is a good coach. BUT, just like all the other breat coaches, they became great when their QB emerged.

 

[Diehardblues]

Depends on how a team views the backup role. Are they picking what might be the future starter or a player to step in on an emergency basis? I think Jimmy G was a future starter and even then the evil mind of the mad scientist was working in anticipation of trading Brady and get a pocketful of prime picks.

Brady out maneuvered him with Kraft and in taking a % of his value on the open market. Smart move, keep the best coach he could have and keep collecting jewelry.

Could be . That was certainly early in Brady’s career to be drafting his heir apparent.

 

[GhostOfPelluer]

Yep and depth is an illusion too many times. I've seen threads about how loaded the DL and OL are and wondering the odd men out when in reality, we don't know how well the starters are going to play.

If Prescott goes down, the season, whatever that was going to be, goes down with him. Not only do I not have any confidence in the two backups, I have less in the coaching staff to overcome that. They struggled with a RB or WR or C out, QB goes down and it's "Coffee and Draft Talk" in the Members Zone.

It's like the old Colts adage when they never let the back up QBs get many reps and Peyton would take them all. Why practice being screwed? Dak's obviously not at that level as a player, but even if you think he's simply a bus driver, he's a damn good one.

 

[Reid1boys]

Who picked McNabb and Mahomes? Who made the trade to send Smith away and put Mahomes in as QB1?

We just have different respect levels for his coaching and I am not nor have I ever been about the rings.

I dont see anywhere where it says Reid was responsible for drafting McNabb. Trading away smith was genius? Cmon, the Cheifs clearly drafted Mahomes to take over for Smith. Smith was a solid qb, but nothing more... certainly nobody believed Smith was taking any team to the SB. So making the move to Mahomes took one of the best coaches in the game to make that decision? Sorry, while I will give him some credit for being smart enough to draft Mahomes, uhmmm... yeah, wouldnt you then give him the job? You didnt draft Mahomes to sit behind smith for 4 years.

 

[gimmesix]

The wrath of Dak would continue. Lol
Not sure any coach is surviving him?

I think Dak should be given one more season to prove he's a franchise quarterback. In order to do that, he needs to play like he did in 2016 or in the second half of 2018. If he does that and the team fails, it would be hard to blame the QB. Lesser QBs have been on teams that have won Super Bowls.

Dak shouldn't continue if he's a middle-of-the-pack QB this season. Garrett shouldn't continue if Dak is among the top 10 QBs. (He was third in QBR in 2016 and 18th last year). It's that simple; no excuses for either.

 

[CouchCoach]

Could be . That was certainly early in Brady’s career to be drafting his heir apparent.

Not if your plan is to trade QB1.

Do you think Belichick agrees with any here that it's all about Brady? What's so special about Brady? He gets protection, is a quick read and release accurate QB but he's not the only one. He was throwing the same type passes to Moss that Culpepper was throwing. And when he gets hit, how effective is he? Like any other player on his team, Brady does his job. And he wasn't about to get short sighted about his career and legacy to that career. He made the smart move and will probably end up in Kraft's FO like Elway.

Belichick is beholding to no one player and all are replaceable to him. Brady did the only thing he could do to stay with the team, he didn't hold them up. Even as strong a relationship as he has with Kraft, he had to do his part or Belichick might have decided to leave. Think the teams wouldn't lined up to give up two 1sts to get him?

 

[CouchCoach]

I dont see anywhere where it says Reid was responsible for drafting McNabb. Trading away smith was genius? Cmon, the Cheifs clearly drafted Mahomes to take over for Smith. Smith was a solid qb, but nothing more... certainly nobody believed Smith was taking any team to the SB. So making the move to Mahomes took one of the best coaches in the game to make that decision? Sorry, while I will give him some credit for being smart enough to draft Mahomes, uhmmm... yeah, wouldnt you then give him the job? You didnt draft Mahomes to sit behind smith for 4 years.

McNabb was his first move when he joined the Eagles, picked him with the 2nd overall pick. Reid had not been a popular hire, Lurie had wanted Holmgren but he went to SEA and recommended Reid who Mariucci had tried to hire as his OC the year before and Holmgren prevented it.

The good news is that Reid's first job as an OC was in PHL, so there is precedence for a first time OC who also happened to be a first time HC. He was a hot commodity because of his rep as a QB guru and he loved the passing game.

The lights were very bright on Reid from the get go as the best disciple of the Book of West Coast Offense regarding the pass game under Holmgren and his work with Favre when he was pretty rough.

I think the coach that watches the game the best and understands what's happening is Belichick but Reid is a close second. And Pederson learned from Reid only he learned after Reid learned to love the run game.

 

[Diehardblues]

Not if your plan is to trade QB1.

Do you think Belichick agrees with any here that it's all about Brady? What's so special about Brady? He gets protection, is a quick read and release accurate QB but he's not the only one. He was throwing the same type passes to Moss that Culpepper was throwing. And when he gets hit, how effective is he? Like any other player on his team, Brady does his job. And he wasn't about to get short sighted about his career and legacy to that career. He made the smart move and will probably end up in Kraft's FO like Elway.

Belichick is beholding to no one player and all are replaceable to him. Brady did the only thing he could do to stay with the team, he didn't hold them up. Even as strong a relationship as he has with Kraft, he had to do his part or Belichick might have decided to leave. Think the teams wouldn't lined up to give up two 1sts to get him?

Could be but maybe he wanted another legit backup after losing Casell because Bill values the position. And knew that if he was talented could bring some extra picks or at least the initial Investment back.

Thats how I see it anyway. Since he continues to place value on a backup with using higher picks.

 

[CouchCoach]

It's like the old Colts adage when they never let the back up QBs get many reps and Peyton would take them all. Why practice being screwed? Dak's obviously not at that level as a player, but even if you think he's simply a bus driver, he's a damn good one.

I do not consider him a bus driver, more a game manager and that's a compliment, hell, Aikman was a great game manager.

It all comes down to the difference between a passer like a Jeff George or Cutler with rocket arms but poor game managers. QBing is game managing. That's what Starr, Bradshaw, Montana, Aikman and Brady do. Brady didn't beat Goff because he's the better passer, he beat him because he's the better game manager.

Game managers manage the game with their minds, not their arms. Favre would have more rings and Marino would have any if they'd been better game managers. Shanahan taught Elway to manage the game or he probably doesn't get one.

 

[Diehardblues]

McNabb was his first move when he joined the Eagles, picked him with the 2nd overall pick. Reid had not been a popular hire, Lurie had wanted Holmgren but he went to SEA and recommended Reid who Mariucci had tried to hire as his OC the year before and Holmgren prevented it.

The good news is that Reid's first job as an OC was in PHL, so there is precedence for a first time OC who also happened to be a first time HC. He was a hot commodity because of his rep as a QB guru and he loved the passing game.

The lights were very bright on Reid from the get go as the best disciple of the Book of West Coast Offense regarding the pass game under Holmgren and his work with Favre when he was pretty rough.

I think the coach that watches the game the best and understands what's happening is Belichick but Reid is a close second. And Pederson learned from Reid only he learned after Reid learned to love the run game.

Belichick is arguably the greatest defensive Guru this era has seen . I don’t think it’s arguable but maybe for others.

But it’s not clear how much he’s involved offensively as he’s had some sound OV who have left for HC positions.

Bill greatest asset beyond his defensive skills is overall mgmt of the Cap. But I can’t help but wonder if it would have been as effective without Brady elevating others on offense and his Money delivery in the clutch.