The Cap: how it has changed the league (and should change Garrett)

[CouchCoach]

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Reid came in as a NOBODY that was a highly criticised pick. You dont bring in a rookie HC and just turn over a top 5 draft pick to him after he had been coach for about 3 months. You are viewing Reid through the prism of 20 years as a HC, not the prism as a rookie HC with no real credibility built up.

No, I am not. Reid had a lot of light shining on him and was considered the best of the WCO disciples in the pass game part of it. He could have been Mariucci's OC the year before but Holmgren blocked it and then recommended him to Lurie. Lurie didn't care if his HC pick or his HC's first pick was popular.

You don't think an owner won't give a new HC leeway for his weapons? You are looking at it through Cowboys eyes, most owners do not play hands on. The Cards just hired a failure as a college coach for one player, the QB.

 

[CouchCoach]

Legit starters past the first round at QB is a complete crappshoot. QB's w/ the great attitude and grit of a Dak are very tough to find.

Interesting is the fact that the Cowboys tried to get Cook before settling on Prescott. His attitude is what dropped his draft stock like a fat baby's diaper and he's already been released.

All comes back to one thing about that position, passer vs QB and the mistake is to think they're the same. Interesting that we often cite the QB as fairly mediocre on teams like the 85 Bears, 00 Ravens and 03 Bucs but they were playing the QB position very well, managing the game for the best outcome.

What people who didn't watch Dak play at MIss St may not realize is that he was the ultimate game manager because his D was right there behind the best in the SEC, that's what got them on the rankings radar. He could play within himself, as Mullen coached him to do, and help, not have to carry, his team.

There's one quality that a coach wants in his QB but doesn't really know if he has it until he's in position to show it. It is that quality that made the QB1 in high school and at Miss St sit on the bench and Romo retire after Prescott took over. It is an unique quality to show leadership when the QB is coming in as the backup, that's part of why Cassel and Weeden failed in 2015. Prescott has never known he's the backup, just the starter-in-waiting.

That's why I don't buy into all of the negative about him and his inconsistent accuracy, that's one part of the game but not the most important part. Why is it Prescott has so many comebacks? He almost brought them back in that first playoff game after his D got them down 21-3. Why was Roger "Captain Comeback" and Montana as clutch as any QB has ever been, passing? Their leadership exuded confidence from their teammates and they didn't carry their team, they lifted them up.

 

[Reid1boys]

No, I am not. Reid had a lot of light shining on him and was considered the best of the WCO disciples in the pass game part of it. He could have been Mariucci's OC the year before but Holmgren blocked it and then recommended him to Lurie. Lurie didn't care if his HC pick or his HC's first pick was popular.

You don't think an owner won't give a new HC leeway for his weapons? You are looking at it through Cowboys eyes, most owners do not play hands on. The Cards just hired a failure as a college coach for one player, the QB.

I know that, I read it on wikipedia, just like you. Dont you have to give credit to your sources when you almost use it word for word?
And im looking at it through a sports fane of 40 years. Teams have a GM for a reason. Reid wasnt handed the keys to the franchise upon his arrival in year 1. That is a fact, not debateable using wikipeida info as you so obviously have.

Regradless, Reid has been coaching for a VERY, VERY long time, and he has been to 1 SB, and he lost that. So as great as he is, and as horrible as JG is, they have the same number of titles as head coaches.... zero.

IM not saying he is not a good coach, but he is also the POSTER CHILD for the coach that has gotten to ride the wave of great QBs. Strangely, his team's succes went up and down with Donovan McNabb's career. Coincidence? I think not. Reid was awesom in philly, when McNabb was awesome. As soon as McNabb got old and his skills deteriorated, Reids ability as a coach deteriorated adn he had back to back **** seasons and was sent packing.

Looking at Wikipedia (like you) I can see that the 2012 chiefs had GARBAGE at QB and thus won 2 games. Next season the GReat Reid arrives, ..... ahhhhh, but what arrived with Reid? A very solid Alex Smith, and Reid once again jumped on the wave aof a QB that would be the guy responsible for turning that team around. BUT, Smith was never gonna be that guy, and Reid, not unlike Phil Jackson knew he needed more. Along comes Mahomes, and wala.... Reid is now elite level coaching... not good, but freaking GREAT.

Why not so good in his last 2 years in Philly? This isnt that complicated. McNabb got old, Reid sucked. Cause and effect.

 

[CouchCoach]

I know that, I read it on wikipedia, just like you. Dont you have to give credit to your sources when you almost use it word for word?
And im looking at it through a sports fane of 40 years. Teams have a GM for a reason. Reid wasnt handed the keys to the franchise upon his arrival in year 1. That is a fact, not debateable using wikipeida info as you so obviously have.

Regradless, Reid has been coaching for a VERY, VERY long time, and he has been to 1 SB, and he lost that. So as great as he is, and as horrible as JG is, they have the same number of titles as head coaches.... zero.

IM not saying he is not a good coach, but he is also the POSTER CHILD for the coach that has gotten to ride the wave of great QBs. Strangely, his team's succes went up and down with Donovan McNabb's career. Coincidence? I think not. Reid was awesom in philly, when McNabb was awesome. As soon as McNabb got old and his skills deteriorated, Reids ability as a coach deteriorated adn he had back to back **** seasons and was sent packing.

Looking at Wikipedia (like you) I can see that the 2012 chiefs had GARBAGE at QB and thus won 2 games. Next season the GReat Reid arrives, ..... ahhhhh, but what arrived with Reid? A very solid Alex Smith, and Reid once again jumped on the wave aof a QB that would be the guy responsible for turning that team around. BUT, Smith was never gonna be that guy, and Reid, not unlike Phil Jackson knew he needed more. Along comes Mahomes, and wala.... Reid is now elite level coaching... not good, but freaking GREAT.

Why not so good in his last 2 years in Philly? This isnt that complicated. McNabb got old, Reid sucked. Cause and effect.

Look, Reid, don't rag on my research. I used to just make stuff up. Damn, can't seem to make anybody happy.

If we are going to single out years in a coach's tenure as example, let's start with Lombardi at WAS without his team in GB, Landry in the late 80's and the last year's of Shula's career. And let's not forget Payton at NY and some of his seasons in NO and Belichick in CLE.

Given my choice, I take Belichick first and Reid second, if given the choice or present day HC's. That's all I'm saying. And all this venom pointed at The Walrus, I am noticing the similarities in the names here. You spell yours Reid and he spells his Reid, very similar and suspicious. You a relative and he didn't give you a job?

 

[Reid1boys]

Look, Reid, don't rag on my research. I used to just make stuff up. Damn, can't seem to make anybody happy.

If we are going to single out years in a coach's tenure as example, let's start with Lombardi at WAS without his team in GB, Landry in the late 80's and the last year's of Shula's career. And let's not forget Payton at NY and some of his seasons in NO and Belichick in CLE.

Given my choice, I take Belichick first and Reid second, if given the choice or present day HC's. That's all I'm saying. And all this venom pointed at The Walrus, I am noticing the similarities in the names here. You spell yours Reid and he spells his Reid, very similar and suspicious. You a relative and he didn't give you a job?

I , like oyu, need to get info online to back up whatever we are saying. Im cool with that, but don tmake it like you had all this great info on Reid and what his owners were thinking.
I have no venom towards any of these coaches. I have said, and will continue to say, ALL of these guys in the NFL know their stuff. They are alll good.... to varying degrees. Some just get fortunate and have the great QB arrive to keep their *** from getting fired. There is no problem with you ranking your coaches, and it is impossible to not rank the guy that is 1 with te most titles.

Just like the "GREAT," NIck Saban. Hey , didnt he give the NFL a shot and get knocked back to reality? So he said screw this, im going back where I can have an advantage and get better players, and wala... Nick is once again a footbal prodigy worthy of all praise and is now THE GREATEST COACH in NCAA history. Hmmmmmmm, pretty freaking avg when he had a salary cap and couldnt snap his fingers and get five star recruits.

Are you trying to make my point by bringing up the deity Vince Lombardi? lol

There is never venom from me my friend. Just me ********ting about football. Nothing more.

 

[Melonfeud]

Your point at backup QB is legit. This train comes off the tracks if Mike White or Cooper Rush have to play many meaningful snaps. The only potential excuse is who is out there and who would we sign (even early this offseason)?

Man? Either Rush or White would be an significant levelled upgrade over what we had shining the pine with his butt for all that time, in a,,,BRANDON WEEDEN

 

[Melonfeud]

What's so special about Brady? He gets protection, is a quick read and release accurate QB but he's not the only one. He was throwing the same type passes to Moss that Culpepper was throwing. And when he gets hit, how effective is he? Like any other player on his team, Brady does his job. And he wasn't about to get short sighted about his career and legacy to that career. He made the smart move and will probably end up in Kraft's FO like Elway.

* I'd like to interject an additional (and envious) attribute festooned upon the goat TOM BRADY's casing-liner,,,
( whom by the way, quarterbacks for the New England Tom Brady's)
that being in him having about the best deep ball passing attack arm to be currently witnessed in the league today.

 

[Reid1boys]

Man? Either Rush or White would be an significant levelled upgrade over what we had shining the pine with his butt for all that time, in a,,,BRANDON WEEDEN

When DRew Bledsoe went down, no doubt everyone in NE thought this rookie out of Michigan was not gonna do jack, For anyone to say what Cooper Rush would or wouldnt do is PURE speculation. IM pretty sure when Romo went down in preseason and a rookie had to come in, all of you were predicting great things for Dak, right?

 

[CouchCoach]

* I'd like to interject an additional (and envious) attribute festooned upon the goat TOM BRADY's casing-liner,,,
( whom by the way, quarterbacks for the New England Tom Brady's)
that being in him having about the best deep ball passing attack arm to be currently witnessed in the league today.

That scamp in SEA is pretty special now that he discovered trajectory. But I agree, Brady is as good an all around passer as the game has but that doesn't mean Belichick couldn't do the same with another Tier 1 QB. Brady's got a great arm and he had had a great HC, run game and D to go with it.

 

[Melonfeud]

When DRew Bledsoe went down, no doubt everyone in NE thought this rookie out of Michigan was not gonna do jack, For anyone to say what Cooper Rush would or wouldnt do is PURE speculation. IM pretty sure when Romo went down in preseason and a rookie had to come in, all of you were predicting great things for Dak, right?

Actually I already knew Dak was a baller& had some pretty strong medicine built for the mo-fo foe's he'd be facing in 2016,,,as I was freighting some company paving equipment up thru Utah ,stopped& rented a motel room/ bought a 6-pack/ just to watch the #4 play in his first Cowboy's preseason debut game,,, in fact,you might even say that Dak Prescott is the reason being for the Melonfeud's residency here at the ZONE,,,