The false perception Stephen is running Cowboys Football

[Diehardblues]

When have we seen this before?

We saw it with Jimmy and to some extent Bill.

Jerry has a history of being convinced to go against his instincts. And listening to greater influences.

 

[Diehardblues]

Not many bigger critics than me of Jerry over the last 30 years but he’s only as good as the influence around him. It’s pretty good right now and he’s listening but it doesn’t mean he’s still not the boss.

I think some of the newer fans are just wanting to believe Jerry isn’t as involved since we’re re seeing greater decisions . It provides them more hope perhaps but us older fans have seen it before.

If Jerry can get out of his own way surrounding himself with the right pieces. He can win. And win big.

 

[CouchCoach]

I honestly believe this is not some one man show, I think many are involved and some voices carry more weight than others. I think they try to form a consensus but, in the end, when the call must be made Jerry still makes that final call. In fairness I think every team out there has a group of people who are all highly involved in the process of acquiring players from college/pro scouting department to coaches and GM. No one is running a 1 man show but again in the end a final call must be made and each team has that man who makes the final call but is never doing it alone

I don't think it has ever been just one man. It was well reported the influence Larry Lacewell had with Booger and there are others that he would seek advice from and I think that did affect his decisions like trading for Galloway and Williams.

 

[AsthmaField]

One thing I do not get is why does this matter?

I don’t know, you’ll have to ask the guy who started the thread.

Speaking for myself, it matters not at all. The franchise is inarguably among the most well run in the league, and that’s all I care about. I’m just happy the dysfunction is gone.

However, it apparently does matter to the OP. Why it would be important to him to make sure “new” fans don’t think Stephen is in charge, I don’t know. But it must be very important to him because not only did he start this thread, but he has started numerous threads about the same subject.

To each their own, I suppose.

 

[Doomsday101]

So who drafted Fred, Martin, LVE, Gallup, etc. Who decided first that they needed Cooper? Who was the only one who wanted Manziel?

I think that is more complex than 1 person. Who drafted those players? McClay who puts the draft board together and whose staff scouts players, Stephen, coaching staff who do a lot of the interviewing of prospects leading up to the draft and a lot of discussion among those in the organization to come up with a consensus. In the end Jerry has final say. I would never suggest Jerry is just running the show blind, he relies on the people around him to provide information. As far as Manziel, Jerry seemed to be the only one who was high on him and found few if any within the organization who agreed with him, Martin who the Cowboys had rated higher on their board became the pick.

 

[Doomsday101]

I don't think it has ever been just one man. It was well reported the influence Larry Lacewell had with Booger and there are others that he would seek advice from and I think that did affect his decisions like trading for Galloway and Williams.

True. Funny thing is Lacewell was in Dallas because that is what Jimmy wanted. Jimmy also ended his friendship when Lacewell choose not to leave Dallas and go to Miami with Jimmy.

 

[Little Jr]

And you know this how? You have some inside info on that? Because I didn't see anything like that but I did see him go against the room on that 3rd rounder. He was stay the course when it was evident, at least to me, that Son wanted to take the trade.

We saw 2 different things then. I didn't see SJ wanting the trade. I saw him telling what was offered and jj saying let's stay with Connor and SJ looking around the room asking do we like Connor and everyone agreeing.

 

[Diehardblues]

I don’t know, you’ll have to ask the guy who started the thread.

Speaking for myself, it matters not at all. The franchise is inarguably among the most well run in the league, and that’s all I care about. I’m just happy the dysfunction is gone.

However, it apparently does matter to the OP. Why it would be important to him to make sure “new” fans don’t think Stephen is in charge, I don’t know. But it must be very important to him because not only did he start this thread, but he has started numerous threads about the same subject.

To each their own, I suppose.

The dysfunction is still there. Much like it was when we were winning Super Bowls with Jimmy but we tolerated it because of the success.

As long as Jerry’s intent on his mgmt style the dysfunction will continue but it can be masked with better decisions and results.

The greatest evidence of the dysfunction that remains is in our coaching ranks and how the chain of power is dispersed.

 

[visionary]

I don’t know, you’ll have to ask the guy who started the thread.

Speaking for myself, it matters not at all. The franchise is inarguably among the most well run in the league, and that’s all I care about. I’m just happy the dysfunction is gone.

However, it apparently does matter to the OP. Why it would be important to him to make sure “new” fans don’t think Stephen is in charge, I don’t know. But it must be very important to him because not only did he start this thread, but he has started numerous threads about the same subject.

To each their own, I suppose.

Having an incompetent HC for 8 years is not my definition of “most well run”

One of only 3 NFC franchises not to have been in an NFCCG in last 20 years is not my definition of “most well run”

But to each his own I guess

 

[AsthmaField]

We saw it with Jimmy and to some extent Bill.

Jerry has a history of being convinced to go against his instincts. And listening to greater influences.

Those aren’t the same situation.

Jerry kept bringing in high priced free agents like T.O. under Parcells. He spent big money on age and famous names. It’s what he thinks is the right way to get talent. Yes Jerry listened to Bill... but ultimately he was still doing what he liked to do.

Now, under Stephen, the entire management of the salary cap is completely different. Unlike anything that ever happened with Jerry making the decisions. They don’t pay big money to free agents. They stay away from age like the old guys are leper’s. Jerry’s favorites like Romo and Dez are moved on from with no problem.

Those things hadn’t happened before under any regime.

This is different.

 

[AsthmaField]

The dysfunction is still there. Much like it was when we were winning Super Bowls with Jimmy but we tolerated it because of the success.

As long as Jerry’s intent on his mgmt style the dysfunction will continue but it can be masked with better decisions and results.

The greatest evidence of the dysfunction that remains is in our coaching ranks and how the chain of power is dispersed.

The people who think it is still dysfunctional are fewer and fewer.

If it makes you happy to cling to that notion, have at it. The results say otherwise though.

 

[CouchCoach]

So who drafted Fred, Martin, LVE, Gallup, etc. Who decided first that they needed Cooper? Who was the only one who wanted Manziel?

Don't know the answer to the first two and don't know who convinced them they could go without a WR1 to start the season. That is a true mystery and the easy answer is the departed OC but what OC is going to do that?

My opinion is the first two were driven by Romo's agent when Booger stepped in it while the negotiation was taking place. I think all four were finally approved by Booger because I saw that happen with a 3rd rounder in this last draft, guess we won't see a question about McGovern? That leads me to believe that he has the final say in rounds 1 and 2.

As far as the only one wanting Manziel, that was it in the end but not before that. Booger was the most on board because of the promotional value of Johnny Football, perfect for the Center Ring at the Big Top, but he only lost support of the others when, I believe it was all Son that did this too, they spent all 15 minutes of the interview about all things not about football. Son was trying to shoe him the light on this kid and even Manziel's parents came out and said they didn't want their son going to Dallas.

Rocky, the rest is myth and legend, that he pushed his Dad up against the wall and snatched the ticket from his hand. And that went around for a while so that illustrates how things can get on one of these forums. I believe the entire room was trying to influence Booger to ignore the PT Booger in him. Booger had seen the #2 with Manziel on the back in a Cowboys uniform when he was him play as a freshman and was not going easily from that dream.

 

[G2]

I don’t know, you’ll have to ask the guy who started the thread.

Speaking for myself, it matters not at all. The franchise is inarguably among the most well run in the league, and that’s all I care about. I’m just happy the dysfunction is gone.

However, it apparently does matter to the OP. Why it would be important to him to make sure “new” fans don’t think Stephen is in charge, I don’t know. But it must be very important to him because not only did he start this thread, but he has started numerous threads about the same subject.

To each their own, I suppose.

He just wants to crap on Jerry Jones. Must have taken his lunch money in grade school. It's constant.

 

[Diehardblues]

Those aren’t the same situation.

Jerry kept bringing in high priced free agents like T.O. under Parcells. He spent big money on age and famous names. It’s what he thinks is the right way to get talent. Yes Jerry listened to Bill... but ultimately he was still doing what he liked to do.

Now, under Stephen, the entire management of the salary cap is completely different. Unlike anything that ever happened with Jerry making the decisions. They don’t pay big money to free agents. They stay away from age like the old guys are leper’s. Jerry’s favorites like Romo and Dez are moved on from with no problem.

Those things hadn’t happened before under any regime.

This is different.

How do you explain last year move with Cooper? That wasn’t Stephen who stormed out of the room not facing reporters heading straight for a trade.

Who was front and center with the Elliott fight for suspension ?

Who knelt down with team?

Does Stephen make deal for Hardy without Jerry’s blessing?

Does Stephen select Gregory without Jerry’s approval ?

No, Jerry is still the risk maker. He’s just listening more to influence around him because they’re having more success. But if it fails like last year after starting 3-5 he’s always ready to step in. That’s what bosses do.

We just have fans who are seeing the better decisions overall and wanting to use them to support this narrative Stephens taken over. I’m not sure why this is so important to them?

 

[TwentyOne]

Apparently there’s a growing perception with the overall better decisions and culture we’ve seen in personnel decisions we have fans and media who are framing a narrative that Stephen is now “running Cowboys Football”.

Interestingly I’ve even seen where they document it going back from anywhere between when Garrett took over in 2011 to Johnny Manziel .

Some even say with Jerry building his new stadium was the beginning of only part time duties as GM.

Fans are confusing delegating more air time to Stephen and listening more to the influences around him as a sign Jerry is no longer making the final decisions running Cowboys Football.

There are many signs quite to the contrary including major personnel decisions in draft like in War Room, final visits with key players like Dez , coaching decisions like firing Linehan along with no official announcement he’s taking any lesser role or increasing Stephens role.

I suspect we have fans who want to believe or take credit away from Jerry from being more influenced and delegating while still in control. And others who it probably provides them more hope if they believe Jerry isn’t in control.

Remember Parcells said “ you have to convince Jerry to go against his instincts” . Ive been a huge critic of Jerry thru the years. But he has a history of making better decisions with greater influence around him.

Well i dont think alot about JJ. In fact to me he is an idiot. To me Stephen is not far away from his dad but from what i see the big reason the cowboys are what they are now is that SJ listens to people who actually have a clue.

To me everything changed with Garretts arrival here as a HC. He implemented everything. Now we have people at the right positions who actually know about their jobs. And as i said SJ is listening to them.

Thats the story of our success.

 

[Diehardblues]

Well i dont think alot about JJ. In fact to me he is an idiot. To me Stephen is not far away from his dad but from what i see the big reason the cowboys are what they are now is that SJ listens to people who actually have a clue.

To me everything changed with Garretts arrival here as a HC. He implemented everything. Now we have people at the right positions who actually know about their jobs. And as i said SJ is listening to them.

Thats the story of our success.

Interesting how these better decisions begin with Garrett taking over in 2011. About the same time some are professing Stephen begin running Cowboys Football.
Lol ..I smell an agenda.

 

[Whirlwin]

Jerry will not have the final say when he is 6 feet under until then no one around the star who is there day in and day out covering this team seems to think Jerry no longer is in charge. Even Stephen has said that his dad does trust him more today and his views than he has in the past but there is only 1 top boss and that is Jerry Jones

What do you think they're going to say I'm in charge dad's no longer in charge. Make no mistake about it Jerry is not the final decision any longer but they're not going to post, in 10 foot billboard letters

 

[AsthmaField]

Having an incompetent HC for 8 years is not my definition of “most well run”

One of only 3 NFC franchises not to have been in an NFCCG in last 20 years is not my definition of “most well run”

But to each his own I guess

I’m not talking about the last 20 something years V. I’m talking about the last several. Things are different now than they were 10 years ago. They are light years away from what they were 20 years ago.

This team is among the winningest this decade. They have corrected Jerry’s salary cap mess and are in great shape there. The roster is full of young, talented players, and their drafting might be the best in the league.

That is what teams try to be. It is being done the right way.

If Everything was the exact same except Jerry was no longer in the franchise, everyone would be saying that this is a whole new franchise and nothing like the 1999 Cowboys. With Jerry still there though, everyone says they’re the same old Cowboys.

Well they’re not. This franchise is run completely differently than it was.

When it was the old Jerry teams, the on-field product showed how poorly the franchise was run. You can’t hide inept.

Now, with a franchise well run like it is now... it shows. The roster, the record, the salary cap all show how well run the team is.

As for Garrett, I know people want him gone, and he may well be in his last year. I feel you and I don’t pretend to know the right answer with Garrett.

However, if they’ve held on to a guy that has only had one losing season, has appeared to improve over time, has won the division 3 out of 5 years and has the second best record over the last 3 years... well, keeping him doesn’t make this a dysfunctional team. You can question their decision to hold on to him, but it is hard to quibble with anything else they’ve done.

For me, the bottom line is that I trust this current regime in a way I haven’t trusted the Cowboys since the day Jimmy left and Michael Irvin was throwing trash cans at reporters.

 

[JoeKing]

Having an incompetent HC for 8 years is not my definition of “most well run”

One of only 3 NFC franchises not to have been in an NFCCG in last 20 years is not my definition of “most well run”

But to each his own I guess

The Cowboys having an "incompetent HC" is just your interpretation. JG has not been the HC for the last 20 years so what does that last stat have to do with anything? If you are a saying, if JG goes 20 yrs as HC without at least competing for a conference title then he deserves to be replaced, then I agree, but he has a few years to go to get to 20 years as HC.

 

[Whirlwin]

I’d agree with most. Call it what you will. A rubber stamp or being convinced to go against his instincts he’s still making the final decision which includes going with what others suggest. That’s what advisers and influences do. They advise the Boss.

I no longer believe Jerry isn't charged and has the final say. It's an intelligent decision by the entire staff. And if there is a final say I'm positive it's not Jerry's decision no longer has those contacts. They're not going to give the credit to William Maclay. And he doesn't want it but it's his