Is Zeke a top 3 running back?

[gjkoeppen]

He lead the league in rush attempts both those years by a sizable margin. Want a cookie?

No the primary job for an RB now is gaining yards and scoring. Zekr doesn't come close to leading those categories.

When I wasn't looking did the league rename the running back position to running-pass catching-blocking-passing back? No I didn't think so it's still Running Back. A RUNNING BACK'S primary job is to run the ball for as many yards as he can get and for 2 out of the last 3 years that has been Elliott. Now I will say as a person I have no respect for Elliott ever since he hit his mother but as a running back, for 2 out of the last 3 years he's been the best.
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[glimmerman]

When I wasn't looking did the league rename the running back position to running-pass catching-blocking-passing back? No I didn't think so it's still Running Back. A RUNNING BACK'S primary job is to run the ball for as many yards as he can get and for 2 out of the last 3 years that has been Elliott. Now I will say as a person I have no respect for Elliott ever since he hit his mother but as a running back, for 2 out of the last 3 years he's been the best.
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Was not aware that he hit his mom. Not cool.

I thought that was Dez that got into a fight with his mom.

 

[QuincyCarterEra]

When I wasn't looking did the league rename the running back position to running-pass catching-blocking-passing back? No I didn't think so it's still Running Back. A RUNNING BACK'S primary job is to run the ball for as many yards as he can get and for 2 out of the last 3 years that has been Elliott. Now I will say as a person I have no respect for Elliott ever since he hit his mother but as a running back, for 2 out of the last 3 years he's been the best.
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You keep on harping on the term running back, and every time you do it it doesnt make your point any less stupid.

We'll just go back to calling it a halfback so you'll start to understand I guess? Would that help you?

THE PRIMARY JOB OF A HALF BACK IS TO GAIN YARDS AND SCORE. Hope that cleared everything up for you.

 

[gjkoeppen]

Was not aware that he hit his mom. Not cool.

I thought that was Dez that got into a fight with his mom.

That's right it was the pulling down the woman's top in public that did it. The hitting mother is why I have no respect for Bryant.
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[glimmerman]

That's right it was the pulling down the woman's top in public that did it. The hitting mother is why I have no respect for Bryant.
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Lol. First laugh of the day. Thanks bro. I needed that.

 

[TwoDeep3]

That's right it was the pulling down the woman's top in public that did it. The hitting mother is why I have no respect for Bryant.
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Please cite your source for hitting his mother.

 

[QuincyCarterEra]

Please cite your source for hitting his mother.

It didnt happen. I know Dez' old parole officer and says his mom is bat **** crazy.

If she feels that she hasnt gotten attention recently she lashes out in inappropriate ways

 

[gjkoeppen]

Please cite your source for hitting his mother.

https://www.espn.com/dallas/nfl/sto...as-cowboys-allegedly-assaulted-mom-police-say
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[quickccc]

He lead the league in rush attempts both those years by a sizable margin. Want a cookie?

No the primary job for an RB now is gaining yards and scoring. Zekr doesn't come close to leading those categories.

Pardon me if I misunderstanding this :
most rushing attempts ? makes more sense sense opposing teams could not stop them, so why would we stopped limiting those attempts ?

scoring ? coaches are paid to play the best players in the best position to make plays which is just what linehan cease to do with Zeke in the red zone and goaline situations on too many occasions, as soon as we get into the scoring position he'd gear away to throwing the pass near and around the goal line instead of using the League's rushing leader (ala only 6 rushing TDs)

and just imagine if zeke had played those final games in 2016 and 18 to add to his rushing title totals....

 

[QuincyCarterEra]

Pardon me if I misunderstanding this :
most rushing attempts ? makes more sense sense opposing teams could not stop them, so why would we stopped limiting those attempts ?

scoring ? coaches are paid to play the best players in the best position to make plays which is just what linehan cease to do with Zeke in the red zone and goaline situations on too many occasions, as soon as we get into the scoring position he'd gear away to throwing the pass near and around the goal line instead of using the League's rushing leader (ala only 6 rushing TDs)

and just imagine if zeke had played those final games in 2016 and 18 to add to his rushing title totals....

Yes... he had the most rushing attempts. Wait you think the other teams couldnt stop Zeke? A team that was bottom half in offense last year had a player they couldnt stop? Why was Zeke tied for 16th amongst starting RBs in yards per attempt if they couldnt stop him?

Ahh the Linehan limiting Zeke's scoring myth has already been disproven. Zeke was 6th in the league in % of rushes inside the redzone last season.
The only players in front of Zeke were:
David Johnson- 7 TDs
Barkley- 11 TDs
Conner- 12 TDs
Mixon- 8 TDs
Gurley- 17 TDs

Zeke? 5 TDs

 

[G2]

He lead the league in rush attempts both those years by a sizable margin. Want a cookie?

No the primary job for an RB now is gaining yards and scoring. Zekr doesn't come close to leading those categories.

No it's not, it's running the ball. They're not called all purpose backs. Gaining in the passing game is a plus, but it's not primary.
Also, while I want Elliott to score more TDs, simply going by TDs doesn't account for the work to get into position to score a TD or a FG.

So the fair thing to do is compile the entire body of work. Which is why Elliott is the clear favorite being he has played more and been reliable.
When Barkley plays at an elite level for as long and puts up more production, I'll gladly give him the nod. But to go by one single season is disingenuous.

Barkley should have shared his offensive rookie of the year award with Hernandez, where a lot of his gains were behind.

 

[dfense]

It depends. If you go by carries and yards, yes. If you go by YPC, he's 18th. He has as many fumbles 6 as TD's. Which puts him at 24th in the league, tied with Dak for rushing TD's.

 

[QuincyCarterEra]

It depends. If you go by carries and yards, yes. If you go by YPC, he's 18th. He has as many fumbles 6 as TD's. Which puts him at 24th in the league, tied with Dak for rushing TD's.

Yep

YPC- Tied 16th amongst starting RBs
Fumbles- lead the league with 6 amongst non QBs
Rushing TDs- 19th amongst starting RBs in the league
Total TDs- Tied fofor 19th amongst just RBs
Longest rush of 41 yards- 35 players had longer rushes than that

All this lack of scoring and long rushes despite having the most touches of any RB by almost 30 touches


But I'm glad that he had so many carries that he won the rushing title and that means a lot to yall, I really am.

 

[QuincyCarterEra]

No it's not, it's running the ball. They're not called all purpose backs. Gaining in the passing game is a plus, but it's not primary.
Also, while I want Elliott to score more TDs, simply going by TDs doesn't account for the work to get into position to score a TD or a FG.

So the fair thing to do is compile the entire body of work. Which is why Elliott is the clear favorite being he has played more and been reliable.
When Barkley plays at an elite level for as long and puts up more production, I'll gladly give him the nod. But to go by one single season is disingenuous.

Barkley should have shared his offensive rookie of the year award with Hernandez, where a lot of his gains were behind.

Again, clinging on to them being called running backs makes people look silly.
Call them half backs if you need to.

Nobody is going to claim Jamaal William's is a better half back than James White since William's had more rushing yards last season than White. It's just ridiculous

 

[G2]

Again, clinging on to them being called running backs makes people look silly.
Call them half backs if you need to.

Nobody is going to claim Jamaal William's is a better half back than James White since William's had more rushing yards last season than White. It's just ridiculous

You look silly. Your whole argument is that offensive players who run and/or catch regardless of their title are to score. It's ignorant and conveniently ignores the workhorse who helped get the offense into scoring position whether they score or a teammate does. If you're not willing to factor in ALL of the statistics and consider Elliott being elite his whole career it's not worth discussing. Your mind is made up. 3 seasons vs. 1 season? Unrealistic.

 

[QuincyCarterEra]

You look silly. Your whole argument is that offensive players who run and/or catch regardless of their title are to score. It's ignorant and conveniently ignores the workhorse who helped get the offense into scoring position whether they score or a teammate does. If you're not willing to factor in ALL of the statistics and consider Elliott being elite his whole career it's not worth discussing. Your mind is made up. 3 seasons vs. 1 season? Unrealistic.

3 seasons of what vs 1? what the hell are you talking about?

"If you're not willing to factor in all of the statistics" LMAOOOOOOO as you are talking about strictly rushing yards and wanting to dismiss receiving yards for running backs? What in the hypocrisy is this?
Want all the stats? Just look above in thread

Yep

YPC- Tied 16th amongst starting RBs
Fumbles- lead the league with 6 amongst non QBs
Rushing TDs- 19th amongst starting RBs in the league
Total TDs- Tied fofor 19th amongst just RBs
Longest rush of 41 yards- 35 players had longer rushes than that

All this lack of scoring and long rushes despite having the most touches of any RB by almost 30 touches


But I'm glad that he had so many carries that he won the rushing title and that means a lot to yall, I really am.

You look silly.

 

[quickccc]

Yes... he had the most rushing attempts. Wait you think the other teams couldnt stop Zeke? A team that was bottom half in offense last year had a player they couldnt stop? Why was Zeke tied for 16th amongst starting RBs in yards per attempt if they couldnt stop him?

Ahh the Linehan limiting Zeke's scoring myth has already been disproven. Zeke was 6th in the league in % of rushes inside the redzone last season.
The only players in front of Zeke were:
David Johnson- 7 TDs
Barkley- 11 TDs
Conner- 12 TDs
Mixon- 8 TDs
Gurley- 17 TDs

Zeke? 5 TDs

" Why I think other teams couldn’t stop him ? " Elementary. He led the entire NFL in rushing yards, that means opposing teams are not stopping your run game-. and what’s wrong with a 4.7 avg. ?
he wouldn’t won the rushing crown if teams were able to stop him, and that with teams automatically gearing their defense to stop him.

- And this Bottom half of the offense mostly represented what we could not do in the passing game and in the red zone – and

- And the 11, 12,17 TDs most likely have been the coaches that decided to use their featured RB in’ goal line “ situations vs Linny’s myth.

 

[QuincyCarterEra]

" Why I think other teams couldn’t stop him ? " Elementary. He led the entire NFL in rushing yards, that means opposing teams are not stopping your run game-. and what’s wrong with a 4.7 avg. ?
he wouldn’t won the rushing crown if teams were able to stop him, and that with teams automatically gearing their defense to stop him.

- And this Bottom half of the offense mostly represented what we could not do in the passing game and in the red zone – and

- And the 11, 12,17 TDs most likely have been the coaches that decided to use their featured RB in’ goal line “ situations vs Linny’s myth.

Nothing is wrong with 4.7 ypc, that's tied for 16th in the league amongst starting RBs, or average.

Our rushing attack was 10th in the league with a mobile QB.

No it's not most likely that, it's just wrong andelementary. .

 

[StuckMojo]

Zeke is easily top 3 RB. I wish we could say the same for our QB!

 

[TwoDeep3]

https://www.espn.com/dallas/nfl/sto...as-cowboys-allegedly-assaulted-mom-police-say
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Sorry, I don't know why but I thought you were saying Zeke hit his mother.

My apoligies.