Tennessee Titans ideal trade target from the Dallas Cowboys

[QuincyCarterEra]

If a deal does not get done before this season and the Cowboys fail to make it to the conference championship (this is what I consider a failure) then you are still comfortable giving Dak a 30M+/yr contract?

I'm comfortable paying him $30M if he continues to perform.

Basing a player's value off of a post team accolade is silly.

 

[gimmesix]

I guess it's not just Cowboys fans who don't understand the cap.

Say it with me class, we'll have about $100million in space.

Clap clap

I stopped reading the "article" after "cap crunch."

 

[BAT]

I don't remember us having a true nose tackle since Jason Ferguson - at least not one that was good. Ratliff played it but that was out of necessity. Woods needs to stay.

Pro bowl nod out of necessity is pretty good.

 

[cowboyfan4lyfe]

Given the on again, off again status of tyron smith, I'm not sure the cowboys would be in any hurry to get rid of collins. Right now I'd say his value is what he can do for us this year.

I don't think they would ever put Collins on Daks blind side. Remember Collins allowed the most sacks by an offensive lineman last season.

 

[xwalker]

I think the addition of Connor McGovern makes Collins a good candidate for a trade. With Collins being a FA after the season, it seems getting compensation now would be a good ideal

McGovern is an OG or OC.

La'el is the starting RT.

Tyron had 3 different injury issues last season and has not played more than 13 regular season games since 2015.

Connor Williams has yet to have even a padded-practice snap at OT in the NFL.

Fleming has less ability than Collins.

 

[xwalker]

He started out playing DE. He wasn't as good as Spears or Canty. He got on the field by making the move to NT. He played fairly well as a NT going to 4 pro-bowls and gaining one all-pro season. He then went to Chicago and played NT for them as well. I guess those coaches were wussies, too.

Ratliff was a 3-4 NT (0-tech) for the Cowboys.

Ratliff was a 4-3 DT in Chicago.

The Chicago 1-tech (sometimes called a 4-3 NT) was Stephen Paea.

 

[xwalker]

I can't see getting a first rounder for either. Second thru 4th yes

No. A 2nd or 3rd is extremely unlikely.

 

[xwalker]

its either a 2nd rounder for Collins... or we get nothing when he departs in FA next offseason
and with future compensatory picks, we wouldn't know if we'd get anything more than a 4th rd pick.

only problem with departing with Woods, is the lack of depth. besides Covington who we dunno if he will even pan out this summer
(remember kony easly last year ?) who else is do we have that's even decent at 1 tech role.
-and we struggled vs the run On -the -Road last year too many times.

They're not getting a 2nd for Collins. The Titans could sign him as a free agent next year for zero draft picks. They're not going to give a 2nd to get him for 1 year.

 

[xwalker]

unless he has a tremendous summer, Wise was not projected to even make the 53 roster but more so a go for the practice squad. And like Trysten Hill, he's more of a 3 tech than a 1 tech.
and Hyder is much like Crawford in that he has the ability to go inside as a 3 tech in nickel packages, but he's more of an end than DT.
Does Daniel Ross even make the team ? and hes definitely a rotation type.

If Ross makes the team then they have not upgraded very much OR Ross has taken undetectable Super Mega Steroids.

 

[xwalker]

Did I miss something in the OP? I just see Collins name but not Woods.

The other candidate for a trade is Antwaun Woods. If that name sounds familiar to you, it means you have been a Tennessee Titans fan long enough to know the pain of losing an UDFA to another team only for that player to develop and turn into a starter in that system. If this pain is new to you, don’t worry you get used to it.

Woods was a DT out of USC when the Titans got him after the draft and he always looked like he could play in the NFL. Turns out he can and he was very good last year as a run stuffing nose tackle type.

There is no reason to trade Woods if you are trying to keep the 53 most talented players on your team, however that isn’t the case as I noted in my DT breakdown for the Titans:

“Woods would make that list [of UFAs that the team needed to re-sign] too in most years, but the Cowboys are actually really deep at DT. Between the draft and UDFA they landed Trysten Hill and Daniel Wise, after they had already added Kerry Hyder and Christian Covington in free agency.

The aren’t going to keep seven defensive tackles in a four-man front, right?

So why not go ahead and bring in Woods who will be an RFA after this season to fill a short term gap and then to possibly be a young player to add to the Jurrell Casey, Jeffery Simmons rotation (Woods is just 26).”

He is the perfect bridge player until Simmons gets healthy and he could absolutely be a long-term rotational player going forward for the Titans.

If the plan for the future is to play Casey/Simmons together and then ultimately move Simmons to 3-tech in the future when they need someone to take over Casey’s role, then why not have your in house replacement at 1-tech already set up?

The Tennessee Titans can’t go wrong making a move for either one of these players and I think their paths to starting and making and impact on this team are both clear. If I had to make a list of five teams that I think are most likely to do business with the Titans, Dallas would be one there.

 

[xwalker]

Who’s the other player we’d trade as I only see Collins mentioned - I’m guessing Byron?

The other candidate for a trade is Antwaun Woods. If that name sounds familiar to you, it means you have been a Tennessee Titans fan long enough to know the pain of losing an UDFA to another team only for that player to develop and turn into a starter in that system. If this pain is new to you, don’t worry you get used to it.

Woods was a DT out of USC when the Titans got him after the draft and he always looked like he could play in the NFL. Turns out he can and he was very good last year as a run stuffing nose tackle type.

There is no reason to trade Woods if you are trying to keep the 53 most talented players on your team, however that isn’t the case as I noted in my DT breakdown for the Titans:

“Woods would make that list [of UFAs that the team needed to re-sign] too in most years, but the Cowboys are actually really deep at DT. Between the draft and UDFA they landed Trysten Hill and Daniel Wise, after they had already added Kerry Hyder and Christian Covington in free agency.

The aren’t going to keep seven defensive tackles in a four-man front, right?

So why not go ahead and bring in Woods who will be an RFA after this season to fill a short term gap and then to possibly be a young player to add to the Jurrell Casey, Jeffery Simmons rotation (Woods is just 26).”

He is the perfect bridge player until Simmons gets healthy and he could absolutely be a long-term rotational player going forward for the Titans.

If the plan for the future is to play Casey/Simmons together and then ultimately move Simmons to 3-tech in the future when they need someone to take over Casey’s role, then why not have your in house replacement at 1-tech already set up?

The Tennessee Titans can’t go wrong making a move for either one of these players and I think their paths to starting and making and impact on this team are both clear. If I had to make a list of five teams that I think are most likely to do business with the Titans, Dallas would be one there.

 

[Doomsday101]

McGovern is an OG or OC.

La'el is the starting RT.

Tyron had 3 different injury issues last season and has not played more than 13 regular season games since 2015.

Connor Williams has yet to have even a padded-practice snap at OT in the NFL.

Fleming has less ability than Collins.

True, however we pay him or he leaves next season, meantime we have 2 highly drafted OL players sitting in the wings. If Tenn is willing to offer a 2nd or 3rd for him then I make the move. Conner Williams was moved to OG but that is not the position he played in college that had him ranked as high as he was. In my view I see Williams as more of a natural OT not a G. Flipside we stay with Collins, he leaves via FA and we get less in compensation than we would have

 

[Stash]

True, however we pay him or he leaves next season, meantime we have 2 highly drafted OL players sitting in the wings. If Tenn is willing to offer a 2nd or 3rd for him then I make the move. Conner Williams was moved to OG but that is not the position he played in college that had him ranked as high as he was. In my view I see Williams as more of a natural OT not a G. Flipside we stay with Collins, he leaves via FA and we get less in compensation than we would have

But you also have your starting right tackle for a potential run this year.

 

[Doomsday101]

But you also have your starting right tackle for a potential run this year.

True, I can't sit here and say what the confidence level of the coaching staff is on Connor Williams moving to tackle. If they don't feel he is ready to move to the OT then I would not make the trade. As a layman and someone who watched a lot of Connor Williams at UT all I can say is he made a name for himself and was rated pretty high as an OT. I think if the future is for him to play OT then now would be the time while we have the chance to get a 2nd or 3rd from Tenn for him. If he ends up leaving then 3rd round or lower would be all we get. So again I say it really comes down to the confidence level the coaches would have in him as an OT

 

[Stash]

True, I can't sit here and say what the confidence level of the coaching staff is on Connor Williams moving to tackle. If they don't feel he is ready to move to the OT then I would not make the trade. As a layman and someone who watched a lot of Connor Williams at UT all I can say is he made a name for himself and was rated pretty high as an OT. I think if the future is for him to play OT then now would be the time while we have the chance to get a 2nd or 3rd from Tenn for him. If he ends up leaving then 3rd round or lower would be all we get. So again I say it really comes down to the confidence level the coaches would have in him as an OT

I share much of those same thoughts, but it doesn't look like the team does based on their actions thus far. And I can't think that any team is going to offer a 2nd round pick or better for La'el Collins. Considering what he's being paid this year, and what they would have to undoubtedly sign him for in an extension, based on the fact that they gave up valuable draft stock to get him.

I fully expect him to play out this year in Dallas and it would shock me if the Cowboys received a substantial offer.

 

[Doomsday101]

I share much of those same thoughts, but it doesn't look like the team does based on their actions thus far. And I can't think that any team is going to offer a 2nd round pick or better for La'el Collins. Considering what he's being paid this year, and what they would have to undoubtedly sign him for in an extension, based on the fact that they gave up valuable draft stock to get him.

I fully expect him to play out this year in Dallas and it would shock me if the Cowboys received a substantial offer.

I always see trades as a 2 way street. If Tenn wants him then I would demand a 2nd no less than a 3rd for him. If they choose to wait until he is a FA then they get to compete vs other teams who likely will also have an interest in him which could drive up the price tag.

 

[Stash]

I always see trades as a 2 way street. If Tenn wants him then I would demand a 2nd no less than a 3rd for him. If they choose to wait until he is a FA then they get to compete vs other teams who likely will also have an interest in him which could drive up the price tag.

What will also "drive up the price tag" is Collins and his agent knowing that the Titans would have to keep him based on what they gave up to trade for him. The exact same way Amari Cooper and his agent know the Cowboys have to pay him based on the draft pick they gave up.

That's why in most of these cases, a contract extension is agreed to with the player before the trade gets done in the first place.

 

[Doomsday101]

What will also "drive up the price tag" is Collins and his agent knowing that the Titans would have to keep him based on what they gave up to trade for him. The exact same way Amari Cooper and his agent know the Cowboys have to pay him based on the draft pick they gave up.

That's why in most of these cases, a contract extension is agreed to with the player before the trade gets done in the first place.

True but then Cooper proved his worth on the field. What we gave up would have meant very little had he came to Dallas and played avg football. It was his on the field performance that will get him the money not what we gave up

 

[Stash]

True but then Cooper proved his worth on the field. What we gave up would have meant very little had he came to Dallas and played avg football. It was his on the field performance that will get him the money not what we gave up

I disagree with that. I think that die was cast the second they gave up a 1st rounder. You can't do that and then just let the guy walk after a year and a half.

His on-field performance will get him MORE money, but he and his agent knew the Cowboys would pay him the second that trade for a first round pick was announced.

 

[Doomsday101]

I disagree with that. I think that Stone was cast the second they gave up a 1st rounder. You can't do that and then just let the guy walk after a year and a half.

His on-field performance will get him MORE money, but he and his agent knew the Cowboys would pay him the second that trade for a first round pick was announced.

Dallas would not pay him top money had he played poorly. The pick only means something if the player actually performs to that level. You really think Dallas would pay him big had he played poorly? I don't think so. There are #1 picks who bust out who will never seen that big payday because their level of play.