Is Trading Zeke on the Table?

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A question for Cowboys fans. This is a question not related to the off the field issues. Is Zeke worth a new contract with over 1500 carries since college?

Personally I would love to have Zeke the next couple years but I personally would not mind letting him after that. At that point he would be coming close to the end of his prime. So why not explore trading him now while he has value?

Trading him should be an option, after this season.
His rookie deal was for just about $25mil, his 5th yr option is at $9.5mil.
I'd offer him a 3 yr $35.5mil extension now. That's a grad total of about $70 mil over 8 seasons. And that deal would keep him here through the 2023 season, He'll be 28, which, with the amount of use he has had and will continue to get, is about the time I see him starting to decline, rapidly.
If he wont take that offer than I'd be looking to trade him, but after this season.
 

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I don't know what you are referencing.

The league has already said he will not be suspended.

There is ZERO proof that Zeke will hold-out this season. At this point that's just National Media conjecture.

The discussion is not about if he will. The discussion is if we should trade him if he does. Nobody said that it was a done deal.
 

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Trading him should be an option, after this season.
His rookie deal was for just about $25mil, his 5th yr option is at $9.5mil.
I'd offer him a 3 yr $35.5mil extension now. That's a grad total of about $70 mil over 8 seasons. And that deal would keep him here through the 2023 season, He'll be 28, which, with the amount of use he has had and will continue to get, is about the time I see him starting to decline, rapidly.
If he wont take that offer than I'd be looking to trade him, but after this season.
For sure after this season. While you cant replace Zeke you definitely need to be prepared for it even its RB by committee.
 

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Generally they tank real hard after age 27.

A lot of elite backs are still producing at a high level when 28 years old. The decline is generally steep after that.

If the same holds true for Zeke, that means 5 more seasons of elite/high end production. Is if they’re going to extend him the time is now or next off-season IMO.
 

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I'm saying whos to say ANY of our stars dont hold out early why is Zeke being singled out they all will do this as they are super stars and FEEL they want big$$ status by being the top 5 in pay at their positions all the time.. they will also have the threat of hold out early in the new contracts..the argument Zeke will do that on short tern early extension is Ludacris argument as they all can and might do it..

Because Zeke has apparently made it known that this is his plan, or at least that's what is being reported. That's why he is being "singled out". He basically singled himself out and it's no different then when DLaw used the same tactic.

I am sorry you feel as if this is Ludacris.
 

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Zeke wont be holding out,, Im ready for some training camp to start...
Im going fishing until camp starts,, so tired of this BS.... lol
 

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"Zeke has earned the right be the starter on this team and to play out his contract. He has not earned the right to go to management two years early and demand a new contract. Sorry, we don't agree"

I think he does as he is a RB whos being over used leading in carries, yards etc and the threat and excuse used to NOT extend him a 2nd contract makes this unique to NFL RB superstars that truly shoud get the new contract after 3 years when they are eleigable because this is the one position that has short careers and are being used up and let go..they had long discussions on the Will Cain shows and others this week with Gordon and Zeke just beginnign to start this new trend and teams will most likely be doing this going forward given unique situations these RBs are in.." its smart money to extend him now instead of later, theres no downside you will pay him or lose him , might as well pay him while hes podcuting and still earning that money as opposed to all saying NO WAY HE a RB hes used up he will hit the wall blah blah blah..all true and that is why Zeke deserves anew Deal Now and its smarter.. Id rater FT Dak or Amari until a deal is reached i mean QBs have super long careers and can be extended and restructured many times, Zeke does NOT have this advantage..

I was on the other side until i started really lookig at this and what 5 RBs in the league have the power and the right to do this in given decade? i guarantee SB will be doing the exact thing 3years into his contract if the new CBA doesnt fix it..

You are certainly entitled to your opinion, although, I don't share it. And for the record, it's not just Zeke, it's all these guys who use extreme measures to force contracts. Teams must have a plan in order to manage the cap. I hear these fools on TV saying that teams have money, they can find money, they can restructure deals etc. Well, what they are really saying is that teams can screw somebody else or screw the future cap to go out of their way and work outside of the plan to accommodate "me". As Cowboy fans, we should all know that there really is a ramification to miss managing the cap.

I do think it's interesting thou, that you say Zeke deserves a new contract. Does he deserve one more then Dak? Is he more deserving then Cooper? What has he done that suggest he deserves to be paid more then these other players? Dak plays, unquestionably, the most important position in Football. Is Zeke more deserving then he? For all the stats etc., this team was losing football games until Cooper came to town. Is Zeke more deserving then Cooper? I mean, I can't really say that he is. I can say this thou. When his contract is up, he deserves another contract but not at the cost of the cap health. He's picking this time to start this up because he knows that it's the worst time for the team. He is trying to use leverage to force the team to cut him a deal and he is not really concerned with the team. That's fine but that doesn't suggest to me that he is deserving of jack. He's in it for himself and again, that's fine, but it doesn't make me have sympathy for him. He doesn't care about the team and this clearly says that winning isn't the most important thing to him. This is about him. I look at what Jaylon recently said and I am watching what Zeke is doing now and it's clear to me that they view things very differently. Zeke is using this situation to force something that is not in the best interests of the team IMO and Smith is saying that when the time comes, he trusts Jerry to take care of him. That is telling to me.

As far as how much the Cowboys are using Zeke, well, that's as much on Zeke as it is on the team. Every Sunday, multiple times a game, what do you see? You see Zeke doing that feed me thing. He wants the ball, he wants the carries, he wants to be primary and that's on him. He doesn't want the Cowboys to manage his workload. He doesn't want to split carries and so I would have to say that it is as much a part of Zeke's idea as it is the teams.

That's just how I see it.
 

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Trading Zeke isn't on the table this year. Possibly next offseason after we've won the super bowl. We can pay Amari, trade Zeke in his prime for a 1st and 3rd and tag and trade Dak for a 1st and 2nd and maybe another 1st or 2nd.

Pay Amari, JSmith, BJones, and possibly extensions for Awuzie and Gallup. Trade up for a star 2020 Draft rookie QB on a fresh rookie contract, get a bell cow in the 2nd-3rd round, keep stocking up on defense and quickly reload for another SB run with cap money to spare.
 

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Lawrence played out his rookie contract then gladly played on the tag, digging in after being given his 2nd tag.

Zeke might be holding out two years before his rookie contract is up.

Man that's tough. His CAP hit is already $8M for an RB. What a mistake we made
 

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Lawrence played out his rookie contract then gladly played on the tag, digging in after being given his 2nd tag.

Zeke might be holding out two years before his rookie contract is up.

Man that's tough. His CAP hit is already $8M for an RB. What a mistake we made

not really a mistake when he has been our best offensive player since he was drafted
 

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not really a mistake when he has been our best offensive player since he was drafted

But... he hasn't.
3rd when Frederick is out. Lower in his 2nd year.

With Fred back, Cooper around, and likely continuing decline it'll drop lower.
 

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The question is never, "would you trade this guy?" It's always, "what would you trade this guy for?"
It would take a huge offer for Dallas to trade Zeke this year (and probably next), because Dallas sees themselves as competitive for a championship. It's an easier decision when you're rebuilding.
That said, would I trade Zeke now for (say) Miami's entire 2020 draft? Yes I would. For their first-rounder? Nope, but ask me again next year.
 

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Lawrence played out his rookie contract then gladly played on the tag, digging in after being given his 2nd tag.

Zeke might be holding out two years before his rookie contract is up.

Man that's tough. His CAP hit is already $8M for an RB. What a mistake we made
Ah, you referring to peabrain Ramsey? He's even more of a problem than Zeke!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

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In my opinion he has been the best player or maybe Martin, who do you think?

Martin and Tyron. Fred in 2017 for sure, and probably 2016.

Not too much of knock on Zeke considering those three players are amongst the most elite we've seen at their position in the last decade.
 

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Ah, you referring to peabrain Ramsey? He's even more of a problem than Zeke!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

When did Ramsey get suspended? Doesnt seem to be a bigger problem than Zeke. As of right now he's not holding out either.
If Jalen is a peabrain, I'd hate to know what Zeke is.

And I wasn't directly referring to Ramsey, I would have taken Rankins over Zeke too.
 

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Because Zeke has apparently made it known that this is his plan, or at least that's what is being reported. That's why he is being "singled out". He basically singled himself out and it's no different then when DLaw used the same tactic.

I am sorry you feel as if this is Ludacris.
you are thick bro,

I said its Ludacris that you think if he got new contract now that 2-3 years from now hes more likely then anyone else to hold out again.. its what stars do as the cap goes up and they feel they deserve more they all do it..super star elite athletes do this in all sports.bottom line zeke deserves new deal and its smarter to pay him now..BTW its an FN rumor as of now where the official report from team, agent or player??
 

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Because Zeke has apparently made it known that this is his plan, or at least that's what is being reported. That's why he is being "singled out". He basically singled himself out and it's no different then when DLaw used the same tactic.

I am sorry you feel as if this is Ludacris.
You are certainly entitled to your opinion, although, I don't share it. And for the record, it's not just Zeke, it's all these guys who use extreme measures to force contracts. Teams must have a plan in order to manage the cap. I hear these fools on TV saying that teams have money, they can find money, they can restructure deals etc. Well, what they are really saying is that teams can screw somebody else or screw the future cap to go out of their way and work outside of the plan to accommodate "me". As Cowboy fans, we should all know that there really is a ramification to miss managing the cap.

I do think it's interesting thou, that you say Zeke deserves a new contract. Does he deserve one more then Dak? Is he more deserving then Cooper? What has he done that suggest he deserves to be paid more then these other players? Dak plays, unquestionably, the most important position in Football. Is Zeke more deserving then he? For all the stats etc., this team was losing football games until Cooper came to town. Is Zeke more deserving then Cooper? I mean, I can't really say that he is. I can say this thou. When his contract is up, he deserves another contract but not at the cost of the cap health. He's picking this time to start this up because he knows that it's the worst time for the team. He is trying to use leverage to force the team to cut him a deal and he is not really concerned with the team. That's fine but that doesn't suggest to me that he is deserving of jack. He's in it for himself and again, that's fine, but it doesn't make me have sympathy for him. He doesn't care about the team and this clearly says that winning isn't the most important thing to him. This is about him. I look at what Jaylon recently said and I am watching what Zeke is doing now and it's clear to me that they view things very differently. Zeke is using this situation to force something that is not in the best interests of the team IMO and Smith is saying that when the time comes, he trusts Jerry to take care of him. That is telling to me.

As far as how much the Cowboys are using Zeke, well, that's as much on Zeke as it is on the team. Every Sunday, multiple times a game, what do you see? You see Zeke doing that feed me thing. He wants the ball, he wants the carries, he wants to be primary and that's on him. He doesn't want the Cowboys to manage his workload. He doesn't want to split carries and so I would have to say that it is as much a part of Zeke's idea as it is the teams.

That's just how I see it.
yes more then cooper who the flip is he, he was here for 10games ...

zeke got drafted , performed at high level and now has outplayed his deal, hes top 2 if not 1 in the league at his position, is Dak or Amari, the answer would be NO..

the Cap cant be managed by cutting all the stars Dak and Amari re no more entitled then zeke and zekes earned it.. if the Cowboys overpay for Dak and Amari its their own doing they should offer Dak 30 and amari 15 and zeke 14 whomever signs first get the bigger deal..the rest fall into place , If Amari wants 17 and Dak 32 Zeke who arguably is the best player on the team production wise, they should use him up and get rid of him? that the very thought process that is making Zeke want to restructure now..i at first said no hes got 2 years left but they treat RBs this way then id do the same thing after yr 3 if I were tops in my postion and looking at Bell, Larry and Gurley got dang straight
 
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