Why draft a back 4th overall if you’re not willing to pay him?

[CanadianCowboysFan]

He's not the top RB and to this point, it's really not the discussion that he should be having with the team or that the team should be entertaining. Why should the team consider these demands, after the way he has behaved, while in the NFL?

Other than cupping a woman, what has he really done that is bad? A car accident, OMG. He didn't take crap from a cop wannabe, OMG. Zeke is hardly a bad person.

 

[CanadianCowboysFan]

Were there? I remember something about him getting caught with some others smoking pot in a dorm room. I want to say that was his sophomore year and not even his junior year/last year in college. But I don't remember anything concrete beyond that, and I'm not going along with the internet rumor mill on things that were supposedly covered up. May be true, but history has repeatedly shown that those kinds of things are often BS too. All a team can do is check into things and get to know the kid an make a decision.

Are you sure Jaylon Ramsey never got drunk or smoked a joint in college?

In any case, if a team were to restrict its drafts to players it can confirm has never smoked pot or had too much to drink, they would have lousy drafts and not be able to compete. Besides, I did those things a time or two myself in college, and I think I turned out okay. lol

Some still would prefer guys like Staubach who didn't do nothing bad and went to church every week.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Were there? I remember something about him getting caught with some others smoking pot in a dorm room. I want to say that was his sophomore year and not even his junior year/last year in college. But I don't remember anything concrete beyond that, and I'm not going along with the internet rumor mill on things that were supposedly covered up. May be true, but history has repeatedly shown that those kinds of things are often BS too. All a team can do is check into things and get to know the kid an make a decision.

Are you sure Jaylon Ramsey never got drunk or smoked a joint in college?

In any case, if a team were to restrict its drafts to players it can confirm has never smoked pot or had too much to drink, they would have lousy drafts and not be able to compete. Besides, I did those things a time or two myself in college, and I think I turned out okay. lol

Nothing I ever saw reported but lets say he did, at least you are spending on a position that merits the pick. I'm not going to argue the semantics of it. The stories were all there, just not reported widely by the press. You can choose to believe it or just stick you your 113, little over a TD a game thing to lay foundation on. Thing is, his behavior is clearly showing that all of those reports had substance.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Other than cupping a woman, what has he really done that is bad? A car accident, OMG. He didn't take crap from a cop wannabe, OMG. Zeke is hardly a bad person.

I don't care how good or bad a person he is. This is about value and RB doesn't have it, in today's game.

 

[CanadianCowboysFan]

I don't care how good or bad a person he is. This is about value and RB doesn't have it, in today's game.

You said you do not respect him, why is that?

 

[CanadianCowboysFan]

Nothing I ever saw reported but lets say he did, at least you are spending on a position that merits the pick. I'm not going to argue the semantics of it. The stories were all there, just not reported widely by the press. You can choose to believe it or just stick you your 113, little over a TD a game thing to lay foundation on. Thing is, his behavior is clearly showing that all of those reports had substance.

would you rather a choir boy who can maybe hit 80 a game or a possible bad *** who can hit 113/TD per game. I would take the latter any day. What these guys do in the off time is none of my business. I don't ask my doctor if she cheats on her husband, means nothing to me. Can she cure me, if so, she's hired.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

You said you do not respect him, why is that?

Because of the things he has shown in the past, what the hell do you care? This isn't about what I think of the guy personally. This is about business.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

would you rather a choir boy who can maybe hit 80 a game or a possible bad *** who can hit 113/TD per game. I would take the latter any day. What these guys do in the off time is none of my business. I don't ask my doctor if she cheats on her husband, means nothing to me. Can she cure me, if so, she's hired.

I'd rather you stop wasting my time. Read the thread and stop wasting everybodies time.

 

[CanadianCowboysFan]

We can’t look or evaluate our franchise like you would others. We play by a different set of rules with our dysfunctional organization.

We can’t rely on sound personnel decisions or great coaching to overcome. We are a talent dependent franchise. The more Elite talent we have the great opportunity we have . And it still might not be enough to overcome.

not just that, I don't care if a contract for one of our players hurts the rest of the league, they will do what they can to screw us. Christ, New Orleans just did that to the rest of the league with the Thomas contract. If we have the money to pay Zeke, we must do it.

 

[CanadianCowboysFan]

I'd rather you stop wasting my time. Read the thread and stop wasting everybodies time.

There is an easy way, just don't respond to whatever people write in response to you. There are many times I simply let people get the last word in. This is your opportunity to do the same.

In any event, by definition, a webboard discussing a pro sports team is a waste of time.

 

[OmerV]

Yes, the ability to be a 20 carry back for you. He doesn't have to have the athletic ability that Zeke does, he just has to be smart, he has to be able to get through the hole, he has to be able to block and catch the ball and run routes. He doesn't have to be a 4.4/4.3 guy at 230 lbs. He can be a shade below and still be able to be very effective for us. They are cheap and there are a lot of them. You just need to have a quality position coach and a guy who can find that talent. We are not great at drafting RBs, that's just the truth. Zeke was a can't miss guy, which is why they did what they did, in terms of physical RB skills but there are other guys out there. I mean, there are way too many lower round dudes making an impact at RB in the NFL. They are out there.

Do you know how many RBs averaged 20 carries per game in the NFL last year? One. Zeke. The year before there were 4, and the year before that there were 2. That kind of RB isn't as common as you might think. The Elite RB who is also a workhorse and also a high quality receiver is not there to be found in every Tom, Dick and Harry. LeVeon Bell was (and maybe still is?) that kind of RB. Gurley is close, but he doesn't carry as much of the load as Zeke. Barkley may end up that kind of RB. Zeke is the only guy that has consistently been that kind of player the last 3 years (except the suspension games of course).

 

[OmerV]

Some still would prefer guys like Staubach who didn't do nothing bad and went to church every week.

Hell, I would prefer Staubach - great player and great guy. But it's not realistic to expect a team full of those guys. At least not if you want a competitive team. Staubach didn't play with a team of choir boys either.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

There is an easy way, just don't respond to whatever people write in response to you. There are many times I simply let people get the last word in. This is your opportunity to do the same.

In any event, by definition, a webboard discussing a pro sports team is a waste of time.

There's an even easier way, mind your own business, which is what you said you did in your previous post. Unless we are talking about saving your life, you shouldn't be caring one way or the other.

A board also requires reading, which is what I told you to do. Figure it out. I hope you are true to your word with your last and I won't be hearing from you again.

 

[OmerV]

Nothing I ever saw reported but lets say he did, at least you are spending on a position that merits the pick. I'm not going to argue the semantics of it. The stories were all there, just not reported widely by the press. You can choose to believe it or just stick you your 113, little over a TD a game thing to lay foundation on. Thing is, his behavior is clearly showing that all of those reports had substance.

Again, we will have to agree to disagree about whether the position merited the pick.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Again, we will have to agree to disagree about whether the position merited the pick.

It didn't and we are seeing that right now but like I said, believe what you wish. We disagree.

 

[OmerV]

It didn't and we are seeing that right now but like I said, believe what you wish. We disagree.

lol - if it makes you feel better to say I'm wrong one last time rather than just agree to disagree, go for it.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Hell, I would prefer Staubach - great player and great guy. But it's not realistic to expect a team full of those guys. At least not if you want a competitive team. Staubach didn't play with a team of choir boys either.

But you don't have to pay those other guys top money, that's the difference. They aren't corner stones of your team. I mean, it's like you guys ignore the obvious and simply go on this make believe tangent. The question was asked, "What did he do other then cupping a women?" I mean, seriously, like he needs to do more then that? I realize you didn't make that utterly ridiculous comment, you are much smarter then to say something like that, but think about it now. Does a person need to do more then that? You don't make that guy the face of your Franchise. Just not smart Football.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

lol - if it makes you feel better to say I'm wrong one last time rather than just agree to disagree, go for it.

I have no feelings one way or the other on it. Doesn't make me feel better or worse. It simply is a fact, that's all I'm saying. You can say that you agree to disagree with that as well, if you like. Doesn't make it wrong because it's not wrong and I'm sorry I have to explain that. It should be relatively simple to understand and accept Omer.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Do you know how many RBs averaged 20 carries per game in the NFL last year? One. Zeke. The year before there were 4, and the year before that there were 2. That kind of RB isn't as common as you might think. The Elite RB who is also a workhorse and also a high quality receiver is not there to be found in every Tom, Dick and Harry. LeVeon Bell was (and maybe still is?) that kind of RB. Gurley is close, but he doesn't carry as much of the load as Zeke. Barkley may end up that kind of RB. Zeke is the only guy that has consistently been that kind of player the last 3 years (except the suspension games of course).

This should really tell you something. The NFL doesn't value those guys but it doesn't mean that they don't exist. It means that teams don't do it that way anymore. Besides, I never said that a replacement needs to average 20 carries, I said that he needs to be able to give you 20 carries and every team should have one of those guys on the roster. That guy does not have to be Elite. He just has to be able to execute the play. Zeke is the only guy because we are the only team who does it this way apparently. It's not because there aren't enough talented RBs in the NFL. That's just not reasonable.

 

[Dre11]

What did it look like? I mean, in 2015, I saw a hundred year old Darren McFadden rush for 1089 yards on 239 yards for 4.8 YPC. behind this line. I mean, lets not act like the running game was none existent before Zeke came along. I mean, that McFadden who was able to do that and he wasn't even close to what he was when he first came into the league. No, I don't buy that whole idea of, "There was nothing before Zeke".

A thousand yards, man GTFOH a thousand yards is putrid now. Almost every average back can get a thousand yards...lol you must be 80 years old.