To those saying Dak should accept a $15 mil/season team friendly deal like Tom Brady

[Brax]

Everyone here acting as if Brady didn’t have Giselle he would still accept the lower salary.

you act like you know TB business , I would guess TB and Giselle's money are separate so his wife being rich should not enter the conversation, and if he chooses to take less money for championships (tough to live on 20 million a year) that on him his wife's $$$ doesn't enter into it.

 

[LittleD]

Neither is anybody else getting equal to or more than him. Open it back up.

Dak is also no Mahomes! I would trade Dak for Mahomes in a heartbeat. Actually, there are 7 or 8 QB's in the league that I would trade Dak for in a heartbeat.

 

[TNCowboy]

Why thankful?

Lol he’s not even one of the 5 best players on his own offense, nor in the top half of nfl
qbs. Giving him a huge contract is a bad joke.

 

[Kevinicus]

The dumbest fans in the NFL...

Think paying Dak 30 million is smart.

 

[Bullflop]

I recall my posting up of a projected annual salary of $10 million,,, er,,,on one particularly exasperated post game sunday,in fact I think I was implying this < casing-liners meaning
*sorry about that,Dak, I was prolly drunk&didn't really mean it,,,er,,,I think

Been there, done that. Posting while being a bit too tipsy can easily be flirting with an unfortunate situation. I've learned that lesson myself a time or two. It's a wise man who tempers himself in that respect. The temptation to post impetuously while being generously buzzed is for real. Nevertheless, it's quite respectable to be "up front" about it whenever it occurs. Honesty and humility are admirable qualities for human beings to have.

 

[glimmerman]

It’s funny that brady gives a home town discount and gets paid 35 million per year. Could you imagine if he wanted to get paid, 40-42 a year.. Daks agent actually thinks he should get 34. Crazy.

 

[blueblood70]

I took a look at this list and there are 6 QBs making 30 mil +. I dont where everyone comes up with 30 mil being the norm. Then you have another tier of QBs that are over paid in Garappolo, Stafford, Carr. Just because some desperate teams made a mistake doesnt mean the Cowboys should follow the same pattern. People are so desperate to see Dak get signed just because great QBs are hard to find. But dont mistake Dak for great. He is a slightly above avg QB who gets by more on his intangibles and improvising than his arm. In my opinon Dak should be paid in that Foles, Alex Smith, range of 22-24 mil.

yes and Bradys deal is technically just one year 23..welp thats the new market , correct last deal to Elite HOF QB reset the market )the other 2 years are VOIDABLE and really arent worth the paper it was written on, this latest deal is year to year as TOM will decide how long he plays. Dak isnt there so if 23 is the new market TY TOm )

 

[Proof]

you act like you know TB business , I would guess TB and Giselle's money are separate so his wife being rich should not enter the conversation, and if he chooses to take less money for championships (tough to live on 20 million a year) that on him his wife's $$$ doesn't enter into it.

Calls poster out for not knowing TBs business. Immediately speculates on TBs business. Lmao

 

[OmerV]

So, where would you put him in this list of QB’s?

Of course, the first thing I would say is it really isn't possible for salaries to be perfectly in line with a player ranking because the market is changing all the time, and every QB doesn't get a new contract in the same year under the same market conditions.

That said, the QBs that are clearly and unquestionably (in my mind) above Dak (not necessarily in order) are Brady, Brees, Rodgers, Mahomes and Roethlesberger, and ones that I also believe are above Dak, but by a lesser margin, are Rivers, Wilson, Ryan, Goff and Luck. From that point on, I think a reasonable person could put Dak, Wentz, Cousins, Watson, Stafford and Newton in almost any order, so that puts Dak anywhere from 10-16, depending on how a person chooses to rank.

Of course, Mahomes and Goff are still on their rookie contracts. When Majomes gets a new one it may be at $40MM/year. And that goes back to what I mentioned above, that salary can't really be looked on as a QB ranking. Whatever contract Dak signs will put him in a position on the QB pay scale that would be different than if every starting QB were negotiating a new contract at the same time under the same market conditions. The same holds true of the contract Cousins and Garoppollo signed. Their spot on the QB pay scale is not commensurate with where their spot would be in a QB ranking, but the market was willing to pay the price at the time they were negotiating.

 

[blueblood70]

Of course, the first thing I would say is it really isn't possible for salaries to be perfectly in line with a player ranking because the market is changing all the time, and every QB doesn't get a new contract in the same year under the same market conditions.

That said, the QBs that are clearly and unquestionably (in my mind) above Dak (not necessarily in order) are Brady, Brees, Rodgers, Mahomes and Roethlesberger, and ones that I also believe are above Dak, but by a lesser margin, are Rivers, Wilson, Ryan, Goff and Luck. From that point on, I think a reasonable person could put Dak, Wentz, Cousins, Watson, Stafford and Newton in almost any order, so that puts Dak anywhere from 10-16, depending on how a person chooses to rank.

Of course, Mahomes and Goff are still on their rookie contracts. When Majomes gets a new one it may be at $40MM/year. And that goes back to what I mentioned above, that salary can't really be looked on as a QB ranking. Whatever contract Dak signs will put him in a position on the QB pay scale that would be different than if every starting QB were negotiating a new contract at the same time under the same market conditions. The same holds true of the contract Cousins and Garoppollo signed. Their spot on the QB pay scale is not commensurate with where their spot would be in a QB ranking, but the market was willing to pay the price at the time they were negotiating.

if that were true TB just reset the Market at 23..TY TB, Foles got what 22/23? these were recent markets correct?..Dak gets 23 lets move on..the market argument is BS you get paid what the team FO decide you are worth at the moment..they should be paid on rankings and noone in their right mind think that JG, Cousins, and others deserved their deals and its proven a mistake, teams take notice and noones filing for bankruptcy taking 28 vs 32 and it can help the team and that my cap on Dak..let him play his out and then each ear negotiate and if he hasn't improved then cut him loose..he is in my mind more in the situation that Tampa and Tennessee are in and some where Bortles was, then where we saw RW get..Im sorry but thats reality.. the market is BS earn your money and Dak hasn't earned over 30..IDC what others paid their guys, reality says dak should take 28 and lets get Zeke and Amari signed..better team with all 3 then 1..

 

[OmerV]

I took a look at this list and there are 6 QBs making 30 mil +. I dont where everyone comes up with 30 mil being the norm. Then you have another tier of QBs that are over paid in Garappolo, Stafford, Carr. Just because some desperate teams made a mistake doesnt mean the Cowboys should follow the same pattern. People are so desperate to see Dak get signed just because great QBs are hard to find. But dont mistake Dak for great. He is a slightly above avg QB who gets by more on his intangibles and improvising than his arm. In my opinon Dak should be paid in that Foles, Alex Smith, range of 22-24 mil.

That's because you are looking at QBs with older contracts (and they don't have to be that old) as if their contracts were negotiated at the same time and under the same market conditions as those getting $30MM+. Quality QB's signing today, under today's market conditions, are getting $30MM+, and because QB's got $27-28MM a year ago (Garoppolo/Cousins), and $25-26MM 2-3 years ago doesn't change where things sit today.

Markets move on. They don't just stagnate when the best QBs sign a contract and not move until those same players sign their next contract.

If a house is worth $250K today, but a better house in the same neighborhood sold for $200K 2 years ago, you can try arguing with the seller that he should sell you the house for $180K because it isn't as good as the house that sold for $200K 2 years ago, but that's not reality. The market changed, and the price will be reflective of current market conditions.

 

[DuncanIso]

TBrady has made over $212 million in 19 seasons.

Not bad.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-england-patriots/tom-brady-4619/cash-earnings/[URL]https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-england-patriots/tom-brady-4619/cash-earnings/[/URL]

 

[OmerV]

if that were true TB just reset the Market at 23..TY TB, Foles got what 22/23? these were recent markets correct?..Dak gets 23 lets move on..the market argument is BS you get paid what the team FO decide you are worth at the moment..they should be paid on rankings and noone in their right mind think that JG, Cousins, and others deserved their deals and its proven a mistake, teams take notice and noones filing for bankruptcy taking 28 vs 32 and it can help the team and that my cap on Dak..let him play his out and then each ear negotiate and if he hasn't improved then cut him loose..he is in my mind more in the situation that Tampa and Tennessee are in and some where Bortles was, then where we saw RW get..Im sorry but thats reality.. the market is BS earn your money and Dak hasn't earned over 30..IDC what others paid their guys, reality says dak should take 28 and lets get Zeke and Amari signed..better team with all 3 then 1..

If what were true? And how do you "just reset the market at 23"?

And no, you don't just get paid whatever the front office decides. That's the 1970's way of doing things. We have unrestricted free agency today that allows players to market their talents to the highest bidder if they choose.

As for Foles, he had a great playoff run in 2017, and it seems some don't see anything else, but the reality of Foles career is he never played 16 games in a season (or 15 or 14, and 13 only once), has only had one 20+ TD season (his next high was 13), has never had more than 2,891 passing yards, and has only had one strong season as a starter out of 7 years in the NFL, and that was 6 years ago. That isn't in the same category as QBs who are starting and playing consistently every year and contributing to wins game in and game out and season in and season out.

 

[blueblood70]

If what were true? And how do you "just reset the market at 23"?

As for Foles, he had a great playoff run in 2017, and it seems some fans don't see anything else, but the reality of Foles career is he never played a 16 game season, has only had one 20+ TD season (his next high was 13), has never had more than 2,891 passing yards in a season, and has only had one strong season as a starter out of 7 years in the NFL, and that was 6 years ago. That doesn't put him in the same category as QBs who are starting and playing consistently every year and contributing to wins game in and game out and season in and season out.

last contract is market according to this forum..market is now 23 it was by a HOF elite QB so it counts , doesnt it..

Dak isnt gettig market hes not market states hes 10-16 players at QB and really deserves 2nd tier money which isnt chump change, 28-29 is great contract and he hasn't earned that..Foles earned his did he not ben on prove it deal most of his career, got SB MVP and played well the following year got 23..why does Dak deserve more? he simply doesnt ..RW earned his IMO hes been getting better every year has 2 sb appearances and last year was his most productive year..daks not getting better hes 2016 Dak today and thats not bad but what I see is a Foles type guy and why should we over pay him? hes good I like him but he isnt MARKET setter

 

[Brax]

Calls poster out for not knowing TBs business. Immediately speculates on TBs business. Lmao

"I would guess" did you miss that? It means I do not know, it's not speculation its a guess, and super model $$$ do not belong in the argument, you should really learn to read. Fact is no one but Tom Brady knows what and why he accepts contracts and at what value. I do know 9 super bowls later he must know what the formula is.

 

[lostar2009]

Lol he’s not even one of the 5 best players on his own offense, nor in the top half of nfl
qbs. Giving him a huge contract is a bad joke.

Welp some how he did more with this team than any veteran qb we had in 2015. But. I guess qbs just fall from trees

 

[OmerV]

last contract is market according to this forum..market is now 23 it was by a HOF elite QB so it counts , doesnt it..

Dak isnt gettig market hes not market states hes 10-16 players at QB and really deserves 2nd tier money which isnt chump change, 28-29 is great contract and he hasn't earned that..Foles earned his did he not ben on prove it deal most of his career, got SB MVP and played well the following year got 23..why does Dak deserve more? he simply doesnt ..RW earned his IMO hes been getting better every year has 2 sb appearances and last year was his most productive year..daks not getting better hes 2016 Dak today and thats not bad but what I see is a Foles type guy and why should we over pay him? hes good I like him but he isnt MARKET setter

No, that's not what people are saying. Nobody has suggested that the last contract alone sets the market or that talent level, accomplishments or other factors don't matter.

By the way, the last contract was by a HOF QB, but it was at $35MM/year, not $23MM.

 

[blueblood70]

No, that's not what people are saying. Nobody has suggested that the last contract alone sets the market or that talent level, accomplishments or other factors don't matter.

By the way, the last contract was by a HOF QB, but it was at $35MM/year, not $23MM.

no its yesterday and its 23 jeez does it not count.. TB knows good thing when he sees it took less hes not beneath it but somehow a 1-0-16 ranked rookie is above it? give me break..yes those say 15 arent serious but me hes around 28 and that it..that will put him intop 10 money at qb but around the League that way above elite RB, Pass rusher, and CB all incudes some big names and im sorry but day didnt even make top 100 which I know doesnt count but 15 other qb made it and really we all know hes 10-15 in this league and he shouldnt even demand over 30, if he and his agent believe the 32-16 is what should get him paid they are needing to find new reality's, thats TEAM records, QB and other positions should be paid on stats production's etc vs others in similar production ranking area..Bortles, Mariotts, and Winston thats Daks goal to be paid just above them as players thats his Comp IMO..Carr JG and cousins are way overpaid and mistake markets set by idiotic teams dont count..Dak and hos agent have a bloated outlook on what they should earn..smh

 

[Proof]

"I would guess" did you miss that? It means I do not know, it's not speculation its a guess, and super model $$$ do not belong in the argument, you should really learn to read. Fact is no one but Tom Brady knows what and why he accepts contracts and at what value. I do know 9 super bowls later he must know what the formula is.

Lol. No I didn’t miss it, and if I should learn to read you should learn to comprehend. Speculation and guessing are one and the same in this scenario.

You’re being extremely naive to think that being married to someone worth > 400 million dollars doesn’t factor in to decision making at all. Even if their finances are completely separate, that in itself provides a level of comfort where his personal multi hundred million net worth is all his. If they are combined, even better.

it’s true that no one knows for sure other than him, but it’s a fairly safe assumption. Or I’m sorry, a “guess”

 

[OmerV]

no its yesterday and its 23 jeez does it not count.. TB knows good thing when he sees it took less hes not beneath it but somehow a 1-0-16 ranked rookie is above it? give me break..yes those say 15 arent serious but me hes around 28 and that it..that will put him intop 10 money at qb but around the League that way above elite RB, Pass rusher, and CB all incudes some big names and im sorry but day didnt even make top 100 which I know doesnt count but 15 other qb made it and really we all know hes 10-15 in this league and he shouldnt even demand over 30, if he and his agent believe the 32-16 is what should get him paid they are needing to find new reality's, thats TEAM records, QB and other positions should be paid on stats production's etc vs others in similar production ranking area..Bortles, Mariotts, and Winston thats Daks goal to be paid just above them as players thats his Comp IMO..Carr JG and cousins are way overpaid and mistake markets set by idiotic teams dont count..Dak and hos agent have a bloated outlook on what they should earn..smh

First, try some puntcuation. You post just comes across as random rambling without it.

Now, what HOF QB signed yesterday @ $23MM? Last one I saw was Brady @ $70MM for 2 years ($35MM/year). As for Cousins being overpaid, he was paid what the market would bear. As for Winston, he is playing under a contract from 2015, so that has no basis in today, and its silly to suggest it would have any bearing on what Dak or any other QB would negotiate today.