Dak and Zeke dont care about championships

[aikemirv]

Dak and Zeke are not in the same boat. Dak cared enough to show up to training camp. I think it's just Zeke that doesn't care about anything but Zeke.

This is Zekes last big contract probably - he is just asking a year early.

Dak, if he is as good as his demands are will get another one.....

Dak as a QB has to show up to demand the price tag he is asking. When was the last QB that held out of camp?

 

[JoeKing]

This is Zekes last big contract probably - he is just asking a year early.

Dak, if he is as good as his demands are will get another one.....

Dak as a QB has to show up to demand the price tag he is asking. When was the last QB that held out of camp?

And what do you know about the price tag Dak is asking? These negations are not public so how are you in the know so much as if you are a fly on the wall? The reports on these negotiations are all BS and you are just being suckered into believing them hook, line, and sinker. Dak never asked for $40 mil and we don't know all the details when he was offered $30 mil. You don't know crap so stop yapping as if you do.

 

[LACowboysFan1]

Dak and Zeke are not in the same boat. Dak cared enough to show up to training camp. I think it's just Zeke that doesn't care about anything but Zeke.

Dak has Cooper, who he got to play with only a few games, Gallup in his second year, Cobb just here, etc. He has to learn how these guys run routes, how fast they are, where they like the ball placed, get timing down, and on an on.

Zeke basically gets the ball handed to him and runs to the designated hole, or runs to daylight.

Zeke doesn't need camp nearly as much as Dak does, and even in camp and pre-season takes way more punishment, so missing camp isn't as bad as it would be if Dak was out...

 

[AbeBeta]

is it correct that this is the 1st time tv ratings are significantly down compared to before?

No. TV viewing has decreased overall ... for just about everything unless it is something that old people watch.

The NFL continues to dominate the TV market however - it is the most valuable commodity on television, routinely producing 6-8 of the top viewed events on television (unless it is a presidential election year) in any year.

 

[aikemirv]

And what do you know about the price tag Dak is asking? These negations are not public so how are you in the know so much as if you are a fly on the wall? The reports on these negotiations are all BS and you are just being suckered into believing them hook, line, and sinker. Dak never asked for $40 mil and we don't know all the details when he was offered $30 mil. You don't know crap so stop yapping as if you do.

So, in the same post where you say these are all rumors you are stating a fact that Dak did not ask for 40 million.

How do you know this!

 

[JoeKing]

Dak has Cooper, who he got to play with only a few games, Gallup in his second year, Cobb just here, etc. He has to learn how these guys run routes, how fast they are, where they like the ball placed, get timing down, and on an on.

Zeke basically gets the ball handed to him and runs to the designated hole, or runs to daylight.

Zeke doesn't need camp nearly as much as Dak does, and even in camp and pre-season takes way more punishment, so missing camp isn't as bad as it would be if Dak was out...

Dak showed up to get the practice he needs and be a part of this team. Zeke on the other hand has no interest in being a part of this team. He's just in it for himself, if the price is right. It's far too easy to replace Zeke so, no big deal.

 

[CouchCoach]

i'd not go, or suggest my son not go, to cabo during his dispute.

Fair enough, I would do what he's doing or advise my son to do the same because of the unique situation with this team and salary situations.

Players can't come to camp and then walk out, they have to hold out from the get go. I don't really like it but I get the contract situation the owners pull as well. The only thing guaranteed is that guarantee.

The fact is the NFL changed dramatically to the business side of the sport and this pending CBA may have some agents twitchy with a sense of urgency. It is unusual for a player to do this with two years left but it is possible that he would be one of the last players getting optioned. That could be gone and the tag affected in this negotiation.

I don't like either. Sign the player or let him walk.

And I'd bet you Elliott isn't thinking about this as some are, prorate that signing bonus over the 4 years. He's already compared his numbers to the higher paid RB's and that bonus doesn't creep into this season, he's seeing it as playing for 3M while the DE plays for 21M, the QB 30M+ and the WR for 17-18M, 14M at the minimum. He is going to take more punishment, in a clock is ticking position, than all 3 of those players combined.

I think some forgot what caused Bell to hold out for the whole season, it was the same thing the Cowboys are talking about doing with their QB/WR.

 

[JD_KaPow]

What bothers all of us is their contract demands tell us about their desire for a championship, or lack thereof.
They just want to grab every dollar even though they know there is a cap limit.
They know their demands really hurt the chances of a championship because there is a limit to what tricks can be played with the cap.

All of who? Don't include me in your whining, please.

 

[erod]

No. TV viewing has decreased overall ... for just about everything unless it is something that old people watch.

The NFL continues to dominate the TV market however - it is the most valuable commodity on television, routinely producing 6-8 of the top viewed events on television (unless it is a presidential election year) in any year.

Cord cutting and phone watching does account for part of it, but I personally know several people that have turned the NFL off for good. They just don't care about it anymore.

I know I watch a lot less than I used to, and there's no bigger NFL fan than me.

 

[IceBowler]

What's going on here is that Dak truly believes he's got the Jones boys over a barrel. Some of that is of their own making by coming out so publicly on how Dak's the QB of the future and forever. I have very much altered my personal opinion of Dak as this indicates his unwillingness to allow room for supporting players on the roster. It truly is about himself and this is (used to be), a team effort.

I will bet the ranch on the fact that not one other NFL team would pay this guy anything approaching $40M .. and THAT is the deciding factor. If this is his stance then you can let him go as far as I'm concerned.

I once took less of a raise so that a couple guys I knew were integral to our operation could get raises - and we sure weren't talking about the excess money these fools are throwing around.

 

[Master22]

Not only that but Dak paid all expenses for any receiver/te wanting to get extra work in before camp. Food, hotel, transportation all paid for by Dak who is making less than any player that showed up.

Giving this a like, if it’s true I feel that shows some leadership qualities.

 

[Ranching]

What bothers all of us is their contract demands tell us about their desire for a championship, or lack thereof.
They just want to grab every dollar even though they know there is a cap limit.
They know their demands really hurt the chances of a championship because there is a limit to what tricks can be played with the cap.

Only about 3% of NFL players win a SB each year. Make your money while you can. This is their livelihood, SBs are great, but that ring won't take care of your family for the next 60 years. Grow up Waldo! Lol!

 

[IceBowler]

The view iof the fan and the view of the player are totally different.

I see fans suggesting players take less. The fan loves the team and surely acts like they would do so. But truth be told this is a short-lived game and if you intend to mine all the gold you can, then sometimes actions, for the fan, seem incongruous with the goals of the fan.

If both players get what they ask for the team can still win. If they will win is still a mystery.

But taking less money doesn't guarantee squat.

I fail to see how this is not evident.

With respect, it most certainly guarantees there will be more money available to compensate higher caliber players to support the overall effort. So there's that ...

 

[ClintDagger]

Put yourself in their shoes. Zeke will have a pretty short career, and there’s no guarantee Dak will get more than one “starter” contract. He’s not a can’t miss talent 15+ year franchise QB and I bet he’s smart enough to know it. I’m sure they want to win, but they care more about their bank account which I think most people would.

 

[JoeKing]

So, in the same post where you say these are all rumors you are stating a fact that Dak did not ask for 40 million.

How do you know this!

 

[CouchCoach]

Cord cutting and phone watching does account for part of it, but I personally know several people that have turned the NFL off for good. They just don't care about it anymore.

I know I watch a lot less than I used to, and there's no bigger NFL fan than me.

Yep, same here. I find it boring and I do not get into players celebrating just doing their job. Do they realize they are paid to make plays, it is expected. A DB acting like he did something when the receiver had him beat and he just dropped the ball. Making a tackle, isn't that one of the rudiments of the game?

My favorite quote from Madden was when Irvin made that exaggerated first down gesture. Madden said "I didn't notice him making that on that drop he had previously".

I am just old school about my football. I want it hard, tough and played by mean men, not the chorus line on Broadway.

 

[Clarkson]

no actually i would not.
difference between 100 million and 80 million is not significant
they call that diminishing marginal utility

ok bud. again, it's easy to say when you'll never have to make that choice. athletes in every single sport OVERWHELMINGLY opt to get the most money they can because it's only logical to do so. it's cute you think you'd be different and your definition of "noble," but sorry champ - in all likelihood...na.

 

[Clarkson]

people seriously have no idea what money is. the difference between $50M and $100M is ENORMOUS. the true wealth gap there is hard to fathom unless you see it in some way. the difference in the wealth of a person with $100M and $250M is insane.

to act as if $20M doesn't make a real difference...yeah, sorry, you have no experience with that kind of money. i don't personally have anything like that, but have worked with a friend managing investments of very wealthy people...suggesting it's "diminishing marginal utility" is hilariously ignorant.

 

[cowboyblue22]

ohh they would like to win a championship but just like jerry they want to do it the way they want to and that is that their pocket book is at the top of the list and a championship is lower down on the list their money comes first this contract stuff and injuries has already played a huge role in the demise of this season as far as being a championship contender greed usually gets the best of people

 

[OmerV]

The OL players took less - that is the comparison to be made.

I assume this was written tongue in cheek, but if not, or if others take it seriously, Zach Martin and Travis Frederick's contracts made them the highest paid OG and C in the NFL, and Tyron signed a monster deal as well.