Dak and Zeke dont care about championships

[Diehardblues]

Dumb thread. Seems to be about some anger that Prescott and Elliott are looking at it like a business.

Argh. Argh. Damn them both.

Pretty much. And it is a business. It hasn’t been just a football game for about a half century.

 

[bsbellomy]

The players are under no obligation to not seek to maximize their contracts. Good faith is a load of crap. Sounds nice but it has no bearing.

The owners will dump them at their first opportunity or injury will end it. Players should attempt to get all they can while they can.

There really is no loyalty. Mgmt either believes they’re worth it or not. And it’s the Agents job to push that as far as ownership can go.

Good faith means you don't just get to name your price. Rookies don't get to negotiate in good faith, free agents do. I'm not sure where you get your definition of it.

 

[Diehardblues]

Good faith means you don't just get to name your price. Rookies don't get to negotiate in good faith, free agents do. I'm not sure where you get your definition of it.

Sure you can name your price. That’s the beginning point.

But these guys are not Rookies anymore. They are negotiating their 2nd contract . They certainly can name their price. It’s up to us to decide if we want to pay it and or negotiate. If not they’ll go to the highest offer. It’s strictly business.

 

[Buzzbait]

As I thought . Brady is only example you have.

Again, most if not practically all players are more concerned with their self interest than team goals.

All of their incentives are tied to personal marks as well. Some fans have this notion that it’s all about winning. That’s just a perception.

And how many of those you speak of have enjoyed the same level of success as Tom Brady? Hmmm?
There are numerous reasons for the Patriots success, but Tom Brady's willingness to help his team is certainly one of those reasons.

 

[bsbellomy]

Sure you can name your price. That’s the beginning point.

If you weren't negotiating in good faith you'd name your price and you wouldn't take a cent less and the team would be obligated to pay it. You want an example look at the rookie wage scale. I'm beginning to think you don't understand what good faith means.

 

[Diehardblues]

And how many of those you speak of have enjoyed the same level of success as Tom Brady? Hmmm?
There are numerous reasons for the Patriots success, but Tom Brady's willingness to help his team is certainly one of those reasons.

They don’t care if they win championships if it cost them money. Fans place winning above money but players don’t.

Brady has taken less to extend his career or Belichick would have traded or released him.

 

[Buzzbait]

They don’t care if they win championships if it cost them money. Fans place winning above money but players don’t.

Brady has taken less to extend his career or Belichick would have traded or released him.

So you're saying winning Super Bowls has not made money for Tom Brady??? Yeah right.

 

[Diehardblues]

So you're saying winning Super Bowls has not made money for Tom Brady??? Yeah right.

Not what I’m saying.

I’m saying you got nothing without using Brady as your lone example.

 

[Diehardblues]

If you weren't negotiating in good faith you'd name your price and you wouldn't take a cent less and the team would be obligated to pay it. You want an example look at the rookie wage scale. I'm beginning to think you don't understand what good faith means.

I’m not sure you understand negotiations. And the leverage associated.

 

[lockster]

Define “ good faith”.

Give me some examples where players have negotiated to benefit the team more than their self interest , besides Brady.

Tyron Smith,. Troy Aikman, Darren Woodson, bill bates,. This is just some of them

 

[lockster]

Nobody ever suggested the owners or the players should do what they do for free.
But that doesn't mean they can't negotiate in good faith. Whether you believe it or not, it is possible to conduct business in good faith. I'm sorry if you can't understand the value of that concept.

Dang Right! The negotiations should be done so that the owners win, the players win, the fans win, the sponsors win. That's proper and honest business.

 

[HungryLion]

Not what I’m saying.

I’m saying you got nothing without using Brady as your lone example.

Brady is definitely one of the lone examples. And it’s unfair for people to compare him to other players.

His wife is literally worth close to Half a billion dollars. Half a billion.

Of course that impacts how much he is willing to play for.

 

[Diehardblues]

Tyron Smith,. Troy Aikman, Darren Woodson, bill bates,. This is just some of them

They negotiated the best deal for themselves.

 

[Diehardblues]

Brady is definitely one of the lone examples. And it’s unfair for people to compare him to other players.

His wife is literally worth close to Half a billion dollars. Half a billion.

Of course that impacts how much he is willing to play for.

Yep he is.

That’s part of it. But Brady’s smart enough to know if he wanted to extend his career he’d be better off staying put. If he’d demanded market value he’d of been traded or released. Bilichick wouldn't have paid it this late in his career.

 

[lockster]

They negotiated the best deal for themselves.

No they didn't. ,. They left money on the table to help the team. Ur wrong

 

[DoctorChicken]

This is false

 

[Diehardblues]

No they didn't. ,. They left money on the table to help the team. Ur wrong

I seriously doubt that.

 

[lockster]

Brady is definitely one of the lone examples. And it’s unfair for people to compare him to other players.

His wife is literally worth close to Half a billion dollars. Half a billion.

Of course that impacts how much he is willing to play for.

Brady doesn't need her money, period. High profile players get divorced all the time anyway. I can bet they have prenups. The fact is. Dak is greedy. His play doesn't even support his demands. He should be giving us a huge discount seeing he's on half of all the commercials during football season. No wonder he was so inaccurate. He should be Iin the film room, practice field and training room instead can't stand having these types of players on the team. Wish they'd trade him. And Zeke is a moron. He probably took Gregory and 95. Dt with him to Mexico .

 

[Diehardblues]

Brady doesn't need her money, period. High profile players get divorced all the time anyway. I can bet they have prenups. The fact is. Dak is greedy. His play doesn't even support his demands. He should be giving us a huge discount seeing he's on half of all the commercials during football season. No wonder he was so inaccurate. He should be Iin the film room, practice field and training room instead can't stand having these types of players on the team. Wish they'd trade him. And Zeke is a moron. He probably took Gregory and 95. Dt with him to Mexico .

I totally agree. Dak demands are ridiculous for his talent level. But I respect him attempting to negotiate in his best interest. Cause at some point the owners will throw them out.

 

[lockster]

Fact is , the patriots and Brady have outsmarted the whole NFL , by putting greed to the side, and getting players that will work on decent terms. Say what you want, this is one major reason we have sucked. Guys like Deion wussboy, helped get this mindset into players, and keeps it going by his .. it's all about me, attitude.