Trysten Hill is not a bust

[CT Dal Fan]

Lunacy is using a 2nd round pick (first two rounds are supposed to be used for starters) on a 4th round production player (at best) and expecting him to be considered starting material based on where he was drafted even though there is no production on the field.

To be fair Hill's numbers at UCF were bad last year because he wasn't starting. He was a playmaker when he was in there, but there was that whole grudge match going on between Hill and the coaching staff.

 

[waldoputty]

To be fair Hill's numbers at UCF were bad last year because he wasn't starting. He was a playmaker when he was in there, but there was that whole grudge match going on between Hill and the coaching staff.

he is simply rooting against hill at this point. it is almost senseless to discuss with him.

 

[kskboys]

I purposely focused on Hill for an entire drive last night and I swear he ended up on the ground on three or four consecutive snaps.

But then he flashed into the picture downfield trying to make a tackle. I don't know how steep Hill's learning curve is going to be, but at least he has hustle.

That was in his scouting report. Not sure he can improve his balance/technique enough.

 

[kskboys]

the sparq chart rates saunders as average sparq for nfl player.

I don't base my takes strictly on graphs.

 

[KingintheNorth]

To be fair Hill's numbers at UCF were bad last year because he wasn't starting. He was a playmaker when he was in there, but there was that whole grudge match going on between Hill and the coaching staff.

This fan base will believe anything.

Do college teams playing for a playoff birth in the midst of two undefeated seasons usually bench their NFL caliber defensive studs?

 

[CT Dal Fan]

That was in his scouting report. Not sure he can improve his balance/technique enough.

I think he can. If Rod Marinelli can make serviceable players out of the likes of Jeremy Mincey, George Selvie, and Nick Hayden, he can certainly teach a real talent like Hill proper technique.

We have to be patient. DT's often take a while to adapt to the pros.

 

[CT Dal Fan]

This fan base will believe anything.

Do college teams playing for a playoff birth in the midst of two undefeated seasons usually bench their NFL caliber defensive studs?

Hill wasn't starting. He was playing. The new coaching staff at UCF punished him for questioning his fit in the new defensive scheme and then asking for a transfer to Nebraska, which they blocked. No wonder Hill was bitter.

But the UCF staff was smart enough to play Hill in the AAC Title Game, in which he was a beast.

 

[jazzcat22]

Bull. The guy is not 2nd round material. Should have been drafted no earlier than the 4th round at best. Could have had a legit starter at safety with that 2nd round pick. Thornhill is already starting at safety for the Chiefs and is playing very well. As much as many criticize Jeff Heath, it's sad seeing y'all defend the Trysten Hill pick, especially after clearly seeing Trysten is not starter material but instead may need several years to become one.

You have no idea what Hill is or what type of player he will be. Same goes for Thornhill.
Get over it, and just support the player for the team you claim to be a fan of.
Or you can just keep whining about it with the others. Give the player a chance other than limited play in 2 PS games.

 

[waldoputty]

This fan base will believe anything.

Do college teams playing for a playoff birth in the midst of two undefeated seasons usually bench their NFL caliber defensive studs?

not just this fanbase, the national media was calling out that coaching staff.
something weird was going on, but after hill tried to follow his former coach to nebraska
it is all there if u did a little googling.

 

[waldoputty]

Hill wasn't starting. He was playing. The new coaching staff at UCF punished him for questioning his fit in the new defensive scheme and then asking for a transfer to Nebraska, which they blocked. No wonder Hill was bitter.

But the UCF staff was smart enough to play Hill in the AAC Title Game, in which he was a beast.

they played him in the aac game and he got ~2 sacks.
but then they benched him against in the bowl game, and that drew national media questions about what the staff was doing

 

[CT Dal Fan]

they played him in the aac game and he got ~2 sacks.
but then they benched him against in the bowl game, and that drew national media questions about what the staff was doing

It's hard to say who was more at fault in the Hill-UCF saga.

It's my opinion that both Hill and the coaching staff should have dealt with the situation with a bit more professionalism.

 

[waldoputty]

It's hard to say who was more at fault in the Hill-UCF saga.

It's my opinion that both Hill and the coaching staff should have dealt with the situation with a bit more professionalism.

my suspicion is that the coaching staff tried to force him to return for 2020 by screwing his draft status. according to all i read, he was their best dl by far.

 

[waldoputty]

You have no idea what Hill is or what type of player he will be. Same goes for Thornhill.
Get over it, and just support the player for the team you claim to be a fan of.
Or you can just keep whining about it with the others. Give the player a chance other than limited play in 2 PS games.

he probably wanted to safety after reading draft rags, and now hates on the player picked any chance he gets...

 

[CT Dal Fan]

my suspicion is that the coaching staff tried to force him to return for 2020 by screwing his draft status. according to all i read, he was their best dl by far.

Hill was their best, actually the best in the conference (which isn't saying much, but still).

 

[waldoputty]

Hill was their best, actually the best in the conference (which isn't saying much, but still).

intentionally screwing his draft status is the only rational explanation i can think of.
cannot believe any level of personal vendetta would be worth risking the bowl game.

 

[xwalker]

This fan base will believe anything.

Do college teams playing for a playoff birth in the midst of two undefeated seasons usually bench their NFL caliber defensive studs?

UCF played Memphis in the AAC Championship in 2018.

Memphis scored 41 points.

Trysten Hill played half the game and would be on the field for a full series or off for a full series.

On all scoring drives by Memphis that started from Punt or Kick return, Memphis scored 3 points when Hill played those series.
- There was turnover by UCF's offense that gave Memphis the ball with only a few yards to score. That was the only TD scoring "drive" with Hill on the field.

Hill was a non-starter because UCF had a new Head Coach starting in 2018.
- Hill wanted to transfer with the previous HC but the new UCF HC blocked his transfer.
- Hill expressed his displeasure at being blocked.
- Hill had bought into the previous coaching staff's defensive scheme.
- He didn't buy into the new coaches telling him the previous coaches methods were wrong.

 

[waldoputty]

UCF played Memphis in the AAC Championship in 2018.

Memphis scored 41 points.

Trysten Hill played half the game and would be on the field for a full series or off for a full series.

On all scoring drives by Memphis that started from Punt or Kick return, Memphis scored 3 points when Hill played those series.
- There was turnover by UCF's offense that gave Memphis the ball with only a few yards to score. That was the only TD scoring "drive" with Hill on the field.

Hill was a non-starter because UCF had a new Head Coach starting in 2018.
- Hill wanted to transfer with the previous HC but the new UCF HC blocked his transfer.
- Hill expressed his displeasure at being blocked.
- Hill had bought into the previous coaching staff's defensive scheme.
- He didn't buy into the new coaches telling him the previous coaches methods were wrong.

wow, nice details!

 

[KingintheNorth]

Hill was a non-starter because UCF had a new Head Coach starting in 2018.
- Hill wanted to transfer with the previous HC but the new UCF HC blocked his transfer.
- Hill expressed his displeasure at being blocked.
- Hill had bought into the previous coaching staff's defensive scheme.
- He didn't buy into the new coaches telling him the previous coaches methods were wrong.

I've read the official party line by Cowboy apologists.

Just like when the Cowboys shouldn't have taken T.J. Watt over Taco Charlton because he wasn't a "scheme fit."

The UCF coaches tell a different story.

Again, UCF was playing for national recognition. They went undefeated in 2018 and didn't make the college playoffs. They went undefeated last season and were hopeful of a playoff invite. You know football x, you really think Division I coaches trying to make a championship run or going to bench a surefire NFL talent out of spite? He wanted to transfer to follow Coach Frost to Nebraska and UCF said no. It happened. Hill had his NFL future on the line and gave the staff attitude and poor effort. Again, these coaches were trying to convince the playoff committee to let them in. Why would Coach Heupel allow the staff to sideline this NFL star? It goes against their own interest.


Now, Hill is here and I want him to do well. He flashed for a few plays yesterday and that is promising. For the most part, I'm seeing the same exact thing I saw from him at UCF. Losing his 1-on-1 battle, then he turns and pursues the running back. It's great hustle but that's not his job. His job its the hold the gap or penetrate. I've watched too many AAC and NFL back-up offensive linemen win their match-up's with Hill.

 

[xwalker]

I've read the official party line by Cowboy apologists.

Just like when the Cowboys shouldn't have taken T.J. Watt over Taco Charlton because he wasn't a "scheme fit."

The UCF coaches tell a different story.

Again, UCF was playing for national recognition. They went undefeated in 2018 and didn't make the college playoffs. They went undefeated last season and were hopeful of a playoff invite. You know football x, you really think Division I coaches trying to make a championship run or going to bench a surefire NFL talent out of spite? He wanted to transfer to follow Coach Frost to Nebraska and UCF said no. It happened. Hill had his NFL future on the line and gave the staff attitude and poor effort. Again, these coaches were trying to convince the playoff committee to let them in. Why would Coach Heupel allow the staff to sideline this NFL star? It goes against their own interest.


Now, Hill is here and I want him to do well. He flashed for a few plays yesterday and that is promising. For the most part, I'm seeing the same exact thing I saw from him at UCF. Losing his 1-on-1 battle, then he turns and pursues the running back. It's great hustle but that's not his job. His job its the hold the gap or penetrate. I've watched too many AAC and NFL back-up offensive linemen win their match-up's with Hill.

He did not have "poor effort" in games. That much I can determine from watching games.

A new Head Coach comes in as the new sheriff in town
- Most new Head Coaches arrive with the "New Sheriff in Town" mantra.
- Coaches do odd things. Parcells played base vs 3 WR sets in real games just to make some point. He said it himself.
- Jimmy cut Curvin Richards despite not being able replace him at that point and not really having another backup RB.
- Not the coach, but GM Al Davis benched Marcus Allen for a season to make a point.

The other UCF DTs were not better. Watch the 2018 ACC Championship with UCF vs Memphis.

If you don't think it's the job of DTs to pursue RBs laterally, then you have not been watching the Cowboys with Marinelli as the DC.
- Most fans would be surprised at how many tackles DTs make outside of the original OT alignments.
- It's a bigger requirement with some DCs than others. It's a huge requirement for Marinelli.
- Even when massive DT Snacks Harrison was with the Giants, it was amazing how often he got to the outside to make plays.

Hill played an "occupy blockers", wait for the run style and often played 2-gap technique.
- That's what the original UCF coaches coached him to do.
- The new coaching staff wanted him to penetrate more but their other DTs did play some 2-gap at times and some read-and-react style.

Summary:
Tyrsten Hill had plenty of technique type issues in college, but he didn't lack effort and the other DTs on the team were not better.

FYI - The original UCF Head Coach Scott Frost is much more highly regarded than his replacement Josh Heupel.
- Aikman definitely didn't like Barry Switzer's or Chan Gailey's coaching after having played for Jimmy.

 

[Hennessy_King]

He did not have "poor effort" in games. That much I can determine from watching games.

A new Head Coach comes in as the new sheriff in town
- Most new Head Coaches arrive with the "New Sheriff in Town" mantra.
- Coaches do odd things. Parcells played base vs 3 WR sets in real games just to make some point. He said it himself.
- Jimmy cut Curvin Richards despite not being able replace him at that point and not really having another backup RB.
- Not the coach, but GM Al Davis benched Marcus Allen for a season to make a point.

The other UCF DTs were not better. Watch the 2018 ACC Championship with UCF vs Memphis.

If you don't think it's the job of DTs to pursue RBs laterally, then you have not been watching the Cowboys with Marinelli as the DC.
- Most fans would be surprised at how many tackles DTs make outside of the original OT alignments.
- It's a bigger requirement with some DCs than others. It's a huge requirement for Marinelli.
- Even when massive DT Snacks Harrison was with the Giants, it was amazing how often he got to the outside to make plays.

Hill played an "occupy blockers", wait for the run style and often played 2-gap technique.
- That's what the original UCF coaches coached him to do.
- The new coaching staff wanted him to penetrate more but their other DTs did play some 2-gap at times and some read-and-react style.

Summary:
Tyrsten Hill had plenty of technique type issues in college, but he didn't lack effort and the other DTs on the team were not better.

FYI - The original UCF Head Coach Scott Frost is much more highly regarded than his replacement Josh Heupel.
- Aikman definitely didn't like Barry Switzer's or Chan Gailey's coaching after having played for Jimmy.

Keep making excuses for the kid. Bottom line he wasnt worth a 2nd rd pick