Surprised by fan reactions (re: contracts)

[khiladi]

Also gambling has nothing to do with the salary cap and how much a team an spend unless bargained by the players union.... lol

Really? You think? Is that why I mentioned it?

 

[khiladi]

You can't just up the cap though. That has to be done through negotiation, via the CBA. I mean, yeah, if you can get the CBA passed very quickly and all parties agree to changing it, then yes but that never happens.

Which is why Dak mentioned it as far as his deal and Zeke and Cooper. These guys are negotiating with ift going up in mind. The fact is the owners can up it based on the revenue coming in. The players aren’t stupid..

 

[xwalker]

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Exactly.

The problem is that if these players are in a big list with other players and you sort the players by base salary then player Joe Smith shows up as getting paid 4M and player John Doe shows up on the list as getting paid 2M.

If you sort the players by contract average, then they come out as equal.



The RBs in the example below are both on their rookie contracts and both were drafted in 2016.

Which player is getting paid more?

Example RB John Doe

• Signing Bonus: 16M
• 2016 base salary: 4M
• 2017 base salary: 4M
• 2018 base salary: 6M
• 2019 base salary: 2M

Example RB Joe Smith

• Signing Bonus: 16M
• 2016 base salary: 4M
• 2017 base salary: 4M
• 2018 base salary: 4M
• 2019 base salary: 4M

 

[jnday]

Yeh what a great message to send the rest of the players and free agents in the future. Just because you can do something doesn't make it smart.

Zeke holding out and the tactics being used by his agent is not smart either. Jerry should not cave to a player that has two years left on his deal. It would be stupid and it would encourage other players to not honor their contracts as well.

 

[xwalker]

Too bad, because the contracts Dallas is trying to give these players is in light of the old terms. Your basically saying the players shouldn’t consider the new terms that will impact their long-term contracts..

Dak already said this idea that players can’t get there’s is absurd, considering how much the revenue is going up, particularly because of gambling.

Players get a set percentage of NFL revenue.

If revenue goes up, it increase the total amount paid to players.

 

[JoeKing]

Exactly.

The problem is that if these players are in a big list with other players and you sort the players by base salary then player Joe Smith shows up as getting paid 4M and player John Doe shows up on the list as getting paid 2M.

If you sort the players by contract average, then they come out as equal.



The RBs in the example below are both on their rookie contracts and both were drafted in 2016.

Which player is getting paid more?

Example RB John Doe

• Signing Bonus: 16M
• 2016 base salary: 4M
• 2017 base salary: 4M
• 2018 base salary: 6M
• 2019 base salary: 2M

Example RB Joe Smith

• Signing Bonus: 16M
• 2016 base salary: 4M
• 2017 base salary: 4M
• 2018 base salary: 4M
• 2019 base salary: 4M

The flaw in your example is it is not what you originally were doing. In this example, you are comparing two rookie contracts, apples to apples. Previously you had been comparing Zeke's rookie contract to Gurely and Bell's non-rookie contracts... apples to oranges.

 

[khiladi]

Players get a set percentage of NFL revenue.

If revenue goes up, it increase the total amount paid to players.

Salary cap is negotiated by revenues.. not sure how this is hard.

Dak himself already stated he’s negotiating with this in mind.

 

[xwalker]

Salary cap is negotiated by revenues.. not sure how this is hard.

Dak himself already stated he’s negotiating with this in mind.

How is that different than what I just posted?

 

[khiladi]

How is that different than what I just posted?

So how is what you posted any different than what I stated originally?

 

[khiladi]

I don’t know how many times this has to be said. Apparently, people think players and their agents are stupid. This is from the mouth of Dak, “good boy” himself, not Zeke.

For somebody to say you can only take so much because of the salary cap or you can only do this or that, I don't know how fair that is to say," Prescott said. "Because with gambling, with everything going into this league, everything is going to continue to keep going up."

It's important for all these guys to get every bit of their worth," Prescott said. "I want to see Zeke the highest-paid. I want to see Amari the highest-paid. I want to see myself up there. And I don't think any of that is too far-fetched. Because at the end of the day, when it's all said and done, a year or two later, you're not going to be the highest-paid. That's just the way the game goes."

"I don't think it's fair to sit there and say, 'This guy can't get that because he needs the rest of the team,'" Prescott said. "The rest of the team can all get theirs with the way the league is trending."

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/...-to-give-the-cowboys-a-hometown-discount/amp/

 

[Dre11]

And that salary cap is going to change homie during the new contracts all three of these guys are going to receive... These guys are asking for money that pays them according to market value, meaning according to the salary cap every team is going to work with, which would go up with the new revenue..

I know it’s hard..

No it's hard for you, they're getting paid according to the guidelines that set themselves. There is no guarantee it's going to change, because just like always the players may have other things they want more. You just don't get it...lol

 

[khiladi]

No it's hard for you, they're getting paid according to the guidelines that set themselves. There is no guarantee it's going to change, because just like always the players may have other things they want more. You just don't get it...lol

No, I understand. You didn’t take these into consideration, so now your just trying to flip-flop around. There is no negotiating tactic that the owners can deny revenue isn’t going up or that the player can’t employ saying the revenue is going up.

Dak already said it..

 

[xwalker]

The flaw in your example is it is not what you originally were doing. In this example, you are comparing two rookie contracts, apples to apples. Previously you had been comparing Zeke's rookie contract to Gurely and Bell's non-rookie contracts... apples to oranges.

No, from the very beginning I stated that using base salaries was the wrong method for comparing player contracts and that contract average should be used.

It does not matter if the players are on rookie contracts or veteran contracts, contract average should be used, not base salary.

If you want to know how much Zeke is getting paid relative to Bell, then you still need to use contract average.

Bell signed a 4 year contract worth 52.5M.
52.5M / 4 = 13.125M contract average

When drafted Zeke signed a 4 year contract worth 25M.
25M / 4 = 6.25M contract average

In Zeke's contract his base salaries were:
2016 .... 5M
2017 .... 1.5M
2018 .... 2.7M
2019 .... 3.8M

The base salaries have zero relevance when comparing how much Zeke is making to any other player regardless or rookie contract or veteran contract.

 

[Dre11]

Shhhhhh. You're harming your reputation (what reputation? lol). Here is an excerpt from the story WITH a quote.



Tell me again how it didn't matter during negotiations. Just stop.

Again, it was all on Demarcus Lawrence , his threat didn't

Really? You think? Is that why I mentioned it?

You mentioned it to somehow prove they have money to just write checks these players ask for. It has nothing to do with the salary cap this year.

 

[xwalker]

So how is what you posted any different than what I stated originally?

You posted:
Too bad, because the contracts Dallas is trying to give these players is in light of the old terms. Your basically saying the players shouldn’t consider the new terms that will impact their long-term contracts..

Dak already said this idea that players can’t get there’s is absurd, considering how much the revenue is going up, particularly because of gambling.

 

[Dre11]

No, I understand. You didn’t take these into consideration, so now your just trying to flip-flop around. There is no negotiating tactic that the owners can deny revenue isn’t going up or that the player can’t employ saying the revenue is going up.

Dak already said it..

There isn't any consideration to take, the salary cap this season will not change this year. What Dak said means nothing, he's trying to break the bank.

 

[khiladi]

Again, it was all on Demarcus Lawrence , his threat didn't


You mentioned it to somehow prove they have money to just write checks these players ask for. It has nothing to do with the salary cap this year.

Yeah, I just believe the owners can write any number the players ask for.. OK.. sure buddy.. that was my argument no matter how nonsensical it is..

 

[khiladi]

You posted:
Too bad, because the contracts Dallas is trying to give these players is in light of the old terms. Your basically saying the players shouldn’t consider the new terms that will impact their long-term contracts..

Dak already said this idea that players can’t get there’s is absurd, considering how much the revenue is going up, particularly because of gambling.

And?

 

[khiladi]

There isn't any consideration to take, the salary cap this season will not change this year. What Dak said means nothing, he's trying to break the bank.

And Dak is signing a long term deal.. and there market value.. so it’s not simply about salary cap, it’s about what HIS market value is..

 

[JoeKing]

No, from the very beginning I stated that using base salaries was the wrong method for comparing player contracts and that contract average should be used.

It does not matter if the players are on rookie contracts or veteran contracts, contract average should be used, not base salary.

If you want to know how much Zeke is getting paid relative to Bell, then you still need to use contract average.

Bell signed a 4 year contract worth 52.5M.
52.5M / 4 = 13.125M contract average

When drafted Zeke signed a 4 year contract worth 25M.
25M / 4 = 6.25M contract average

In Zeke's contract his base salaries were:
2016 .... 5M
2017 .... 1.5M
2018 .... 2.7M
2019 .... 3.8M

The base salaries have zero relevance when comparing how much Zeke is making to any other player regardless or rookie contract or veteran contract.

There you go with your rude arrogance again. Placing your way over mine by saying my way does not matter is not a salient argument. I can just as easily say your way does not matter. At least I acknowledge rookie contracts are based on a different set of rules and are limited in comparison to veteran contracts. You would seemingly have us believe all contracts are governed by the same set of rules when that is not the case.