Why are they not trading for a RB

[GMO415]

What....wait....you mean DAL? Hahaha

 

[OmerV]

This statement is excatly why I say "Market Value" is imprecise when dealing with human capital. If you can achieve your goal with 85% output, then it makes sense (and cents) to pursue that option. The big question is will 85% of Zekes "utility" be enough?

That's a question whether talking about human capital or any other kind. Every business would like to achiever their goals with as little outlay of capital as possible, but like you say, the business has to weigh all things and determine if it is realistic to think it can achieve its goals with something less.

 

[waldoputty]

Dude, you have completely mischaracterized Game Theory.

I agree with you 100% there is no "Market Value" here as this does not typically apply to personnel in business. I also agree that Zeke has little to no leverage. My comment was based on a specific scenario which you replied to:
1. Paying for a new RB while Zeke is still under contract
or
2. Taking the millions you pay this new RB and adding it to what they offer Zeke

If you want to get into a discussion about Game Theory or any other pseudoscience...great, but this is probably not the forum.

you said take the millions you pay this new rb and give it to zeke
that is your suggestion
i am saying that you are better off giving it to the rb instead of giving it to zeke
because you 'buy' the reputation of not bending over and actually being a bit vindictive about it.
there is value to such a reputation based on standard game theory in the repeated game context.
this is not the forum for it, but the implications are very basic and taught in classes.

 

[rnr_honeybadger]

Because one of the flaws of this front office is that they often overrate what they have on their roster.

I have little doubt they believe even if Zeke holds out into the season, they are fine with what they have.

Is it just the front office? I believe the front office relies on the Head Coach and his staff to actually give them a proper assessment of their needs.

 

[waldoputty]

That's a question whether talking about human capital or any other kind. Every business would like to achiever their goals with as little outlay of capital as possible, but like you say, the business has to weigh all things and determine if it is realistic to think it can achieve its goals with something less.

that is the problem for running backs. there are too many slightly inferior substitutes that are much cheaper.

 

[xwalker]

I think EE might want 20 mil a year.
In a way even though I dont care for the guy, he would be justified in asking for that amount.
If Coop and Dl are in the 20 mil+ range, and dak is 35 mil + range then if EE is so good, isnt 20 mil more fair
insofar as value to the team?
That is why paying key players those high salarys just causes other players who are good to want similar range pay.
Again I dont even think EE is as great as some think, but I think he is more valuable to the team and winning, that Demarcus L is.
And he would have to be close to coop.

It's based on.market values.

The Pats and other teams have shown a good RB or group of good RBs is good enough to win Super Bowls. The history of Super Bowl winners in the past decade or two does not really "track" with elite RBs.

The problem is that the 5th best RB costs 1/2 as much as the best RB. That"s not true at QB or WR.

Any team would take the 5th best RB for 1/2 the cost.

I would take the 5th best QB for 35M/2= 17.5M per year but that"s not possible.

It might not be "fair" that market values of NFL QBs is higher than RBs but it's also not fair that the market value for firemen, etc. is lower than the market value of NFL QBs.

 

[rnr_honeybadger]

you said take the millions you pay this new rb and give it to zeke
that is your suggestion
i am saying that you are better off giving it to the rb instead of giving it to zeke
because you 'buy' the reputation of not bending over and actually being a bit vindictive about it.
there is value to such a reputation based on standard game theory in the repeated game context.
this is not the forum for it, but the implications are very basic and taught in classes.

Personally, the way you handle Zeke is the way the Steelers handled Bell. Let him sit out the remaining 2 years on his contract. You cannot allow one guy to hold you ransom just because he "feels" like he needs to be paid.

 

[OmerV]

that is the problem for running backs. there are too many slightly inferior substitutes that are much cheaper.

I think that is the case with a lot of RBs, but I think there is a bigger drop off than that with the elite ones like Zeke.

 

[waldoputty]

Personally, the way you handle Zeke is the way the Steelers handled Bell. Let him sit out the remaining 2 years on his contract. You cannot allow one guy to hold you ransom just because he "feels" like he needs to be paid.

exactly, it has repercussions with other negotiations and players wanting to be paid early.

 

[waldoputty]

well with mcgovern's injury problem now, looks like there is no surplus in ol to trade from.
may be some dl asset...

 

[iceberg]

Ahhhhh.

My bad. I misread your post.

all good - you weren't the only one.

 

[dfense]

Yes overrate.

How quickly we forget the Jones boys couldn't stop telling us how they were fine at WR last year and didn't need a #1 WR only to have to trade for one halfway through the season.

Yes, this front office has tended to overrate the quality of their roster, especially at certain positions.

Yeah, they should have just said we're screwed at WR.
Trading for Amari was genius. A steal. They've effectively replaced their entire receiving corp in a years time. Looks fine to me.

 

[Proof]

No, was not but I know this. It doesn't matter what level you are playing at, in terms of taking punishment at the position. You are going to get hit and it only gets worse the higher you go. I know that you need to have contact and you need to become conditioned towards that contact. There are things you can not simulate through workout. This is not about knowing the Offense or anything like that.

I respect it, but it absolutely matters because professional athletes are conditioned and prepared at a completely different level. You are not Zeke

 

[Verdict]

Who are you going to trade for? How much are you willing to spend?

While I wouldn’t trade for a RB, Morris doesn’t count as a running back. He is done.

 

[DandyDon52]

if we lose cooper or zeke, who would you rather lose.
zeke 10 out of 10 times.
wr1 is hard to replace.
the rb can be replaced with a rb with 80% of zeke's ability and be fine.
use the money for a proven te and keeping wr2.

after this season, if someone asks would you rather lose gallup or zeke.
if gallup takes the next step from last year, i would say gallup is more important.

YUR right, I would keep coop over zeke, gallup would have to have a good year to keep him over zeke.
however it is all moot, jerry will wind up paying zeke, probably before dak or coop.

 

[DandyDon52]

It's based on.market values.

The Pats and other teams have shown a good RB or group of good RBs is good enough to win Super Bowls. The history of Super Bowl winners in the past decade or two does not really "track" with elite RBs.

The problem is that the 5th best RB costs 1/2 as much as the best RB. That"s not true at QB or WR.

Any team would take the 5th best RB for 1/2 the cost.

I would take the 5th best QB for 35M/2= 17.5M per year but that"s not possible.

It might not be "fair" that market values of NFL QBs is higher than RBs but it's also not fair that the market value for firemen, etc. is lower than the market value of NFL QBs.

So that means we they dont need elliot\? he may even be a hindrance!!

 

[xwalker]

So that means we they dont need elliot\? he may even be a hindrance!!

There are many levels between paying Zeke 15M per and replacing him with a rookie and Alfred Morris at 735K.

They could likely add a veteran in the 5M per range if Zeke really isn't returning. Other teams that drafted a RB this year or last will have veterans that get cut for cap reasons.

 

[QuincyCarterEra]

worthwhile? like "hey let's pick up ajayi"?

then no. no i don't.

Lmao exactly what I thought. You have nothing.

 

[StuckMojo]

It's based on.market values.

The Pats and other teams have shown a good RB or group of good RBs is good enough to win Super Bowls. The history of Super Bowl winners in the past decade or two does not really "track" with elite RBs.

The problem is that the 5th best RB costs 1/2 as much as the best RB. That"s not true at QB or WR.

Any team would take the 5th best RB for 1/2 the cost.

I would take the 5th best QB for 35M/2= 17.5M per year but that"s not possible.

It might not be "fair" that market values of NFL QBs is higher than RBs but it's also not fair that the market value for firemen, etc. is lower than the market value of NFL QBs.

You can say the same about not needing high priced elite WRs to win the Super Bowl. The last all-pro WR to win was Marvin Harrison in 2007 and befor that was Isaac Bruce in 1999

 

[CowboyJ70]

I would like for them to pick up a RB after cuts are made. I do not like what I have seen from Chunn, Weber or Jackson this preseason.