Twitter: Negotiations with Zeke have intensified **merged**

[glimmerman]

Man, I don't know. I think all of this is piss in a pot crazy but hey, I've watched the whole thing and believe it or not, it happened.

They've already offered him, according to rumor, a contract that was on par with what Gurley signed. I can't imagine that they would offer less then that but I never thought I'd see them do that to begin with. I really never thought I'd see a player treat that like it was an insult so yeah, I don't know anything anymore glim.


LOL......

These agents have players holding out after 3 of a 4 year rookie deal when they have been paid in advance. Yeah Elliot is only making around 4 million this year but he was paid 16 million up front (this same agent negotiated this) so it’s 4 million each year paid in advance in bonus. So he is making closer to 8 million this year. Did he out perform the money, yes. But he signs the deal and took the money. He has had several off field issues and been suspended. Yet he is getting paid gurly money. Ok.. How does other players (and there agents) that out perform there rookie deals looking at this now. LVE..

Another agent has a player holding off a surgery as leverage to get paid. He has had injuries that kept him from games and been suspended.

Things are changing. I am just going to enjoy the games and root for our team bro.. Lol.

 

[B5Erik]

I’m not putting down Zeke to prop up anyone - I am pointing out how devalued, and for good reason, the RB position is.

Running back is probably THE most fungible position in the NFL in the current era.

Look at the Eagles. They didn't exactly have a top tier RB when they won the Super Bowl a couple years ago. Neither did the Denver Broncos in 2015. The Patriots NEVER have anywhere near a top tier RB.

This isn't 1992. The salary cap changed everything.

 

[JeffAtl]

The salary cap worry worts wouldn't be able to sleep all season if that happened

And when the Cowboys can't sign anyone in free agency and can't even extend their own draftees, the "whistle past the graveyard" and "pay the man" crowds will complain about the FO not getting Zeke and Dak any help.

 

[PA Cowboy Fan]

And when the Cowboys can't sign anyone in free agency and can't even extend their own draftees, the "whistle past the graveyard" and "pay the man" crowds will complain about the FO not getting Zeke and Dak any help.

The Cowboys barely sign anyone in FA now.

 

[AsthmaField]

Eating crow with hot sauce as we speak.

Good for you man!

 

[Jake]

Running back is probably THE most fungible position in the NFL in the current era.

Look at the Eagles. They didn't exactly have a top tier RB when they won the Super Bowl a couple years ago. Neither did the Denver Broncos in 2015. The Patriots NEVER have anywhere near a top tier RB.

The Patriots drafted Sony Michel in the first round last year. He was the leading rusher in the SB and scored the only TD of the game.

The difference is they'll never make him the highest paid RB in the league.

 

[Eanwen]

This is disappointing. I wanted to see Dak take us to the big dance with his arm.

Since I don't believe Moore will be as conservative as Linehan I think he still has his chance to show what he can do. People may still say he can't win w/o Zeke but he can still go out and average 280+ yd/game and 30+ tds for the season.

 

[aria]

And when the Cowboys can't sign anyone in free agency and can't even extend their own draftees, the "whistle past the graveyard" and "pay the man" crowds will complain about the FO not getting Zeke and Dak any help.

I love how quickly fans have forgotten the salary cap hell we recently got of and now act like the salary cap doesn’t exist because the CBA coming up. The salary cap will go up and so will the players demands (ie Elliott) so just because there will be more money doesn’t mean teams will have extra money to satisfy every player who wants a raise.

If Jerry wants to hitch is hopes of a SB to a head case who plays one of the most expendable positions in the league then so be it...and that’s why he shouldn’t play GM and hasn’t won a SB in over 20 years. He’s trying to recreate what got him a SB in the first place but doesn’t realize this isn’t the early 90’s anymore, Jimmy Johnson isn’t his coach and the league has changed drastically.

 

[mattjames2010]

The Patriots drafted Sony Michel in the first round last year. He was the leading rusher in the SB and scored the only TD of the game.

The difference is they'll never make him the highest paid RB in the league.

The Patriots have won 5 Super Bowls without an elite RB or taking one in the first. And unless Sony Michel is the second coming of Barry Sanders, the Patriots will send Michel on his way like every other player they make look like legends outside of Brady

 

[WillieBeamen]

No, that’s what you are doing. I am saying Zeke is not a need, the trenches as a whole is needed.

YOU are claiming Zeke is the difference between us being in or out of playoffs. I am saying this is absolute BS and Zeke is a luxury to be had when you have a solidified offensive line and defensive line.

Again, your point makes no sense if we needed to give up a first round pick just to have a chance at the playoffs last year

He clearly isn’t the difference maker. Two important games last year we won didn’t happen due to Zeke, but Dak finding Amari Cooper on 3 explosive plays. I don’t value Cooper and I don’t like Dak, but you can see how I view the RB position - it impacts the win W/L very little.

Lol so Dak, Tony Pollard, and crew are a playoff squad?


Wow

 

[glimmerman]

I love how quickly fans have forgotten the salary cap hell we recently got of and now act like the salary cap doesn’t exist because the CBA coming up. The salary cap will go up and so will the players demands (ie Elliott) so just because there will be more money doesn’t mean teams will have extra money to satisfy every player who wants a raise.

If Jerry wants to hitch is hopes of a SB to a head case who plays one of he most expendable positions in the league then so be it...and that’s why he shouldn’t play GM and hasn’t won a SB in over 20 years. He’s trying to recreate what got him a SB in the first place but doesn’t realize this isn’t the early 90’s anymore, Jimmy Johnson isn’t his coach and the league has changed drastically.

Starting to think he is grasping at the now to get that ring. He isn’t going to be able to hold this current team together for long with these contracts. We have to continue to draft well.

 

[JeffAtl]

The Cowboys barely sign anyone in FA now.

And why do you think that is?

 

[JayFord]

The Patriots have won 5 Super Bowls without an elite RB or taking one in the first. And unless Sony Michel is the second coming of Barry Sanders, the Patriots will send Michel on his way like every other player they make look like legends outside of Brady

I actually have no doubt Sony will become a top 10 maybe even a top 5 back he’s just that good imo

I also feel how you feel there’s no way they’ll pay him top RB money the patriots have given away multiple pro bowlers and still win titles

 

[B5Erik]

The Patriots drafted Sony Michel in the first round last year. He was the leading rusher in the SB and scored the only TD of the game.

The difference is they'll never make him the highest paid RB in the league.

Being the leading rusher in the Super Bowl is nice, but it isn't indicative of how good a back is - Timmy Smith had an amazing Super Bowl, but was a bust other than that.

And you're right, while the Patriots drafting a RB in the first round was out of the norm for them, you know damned well they'll never pay him elite money. They'll use him for a few years and once he becomes expensive they'll move on.

Again, look at the Eagles and Broncos as well - neither of those teams had anywhere near an elite running back, and they both won recent Super Bowls.

 

[birdwells1]

I never listen to fans in cases like this because on one side you have the front office who wants the under compensated employee to continue to play under the current contract. On the same side you have the fan that wants the under compensated player to continue to play under the agreement that would allow the team to acquire better players. The front office and the fan align because they want what's best for the team, either party couldn't care less about the player's life or income.

That's why players have to look out for themselves.

During this whole process the ones that have been running their mouth to the media has been the Jones's, Zeke hasn't said a word but all he get from fans is hate. It's just business dont take it personal.

 

[PA Cowboy Fan]

And why do you think that is?

Because they go on vacation at that time. lol The point is they don't do it and whether they overpay or not they probably won't do it in the future.

 

[birdwells1]

These agents have players holding out after 3 of a 4 year rookie deal when they have been paid in advance. Yeah Elliot is only making around 4 million this year but he was paid 16 million up front (this same agent negotiated this) so it’s 4 million each year paid in advance in bonus. So he is making closer to 8 million this year. Did he out perform the money, yes. But he signs the deal and took the money. He has had several off field issues and been suspended. Yet he is getting paid gurly money. Ok.. How does other players (and there agents) that out perform there rookie deals looking at this now. LVE..

Another agent has a player holding off a surgery as leverage to get paid. He has had injuries that kept him from games and been suspended.

Things are changing. I am just going to enjoy the games and root for our team bro.. Lol.

NFL CONYTACTS ARE NOT GUARANTEED!!!!!!

 

[B5Erik]

I love how quickly fans have forgotten the salary cap hell we recently got of and now act like the salary cap doesn’t exist because the CBA coming up. The salary cap will go up and so will the players demands (ie Elliott) so just because there will be more money doesn’t mean teams will have extra money to satisfy every player who wants a raise.

If Jerry wants to hitch is hopes of a SB to a head case who plays one of the most expendable positions in the league then so be it...and that’s why he shouldn’t play GM and hasn’t won a SB in over 20 years. He’s trying to recreate what got him a SB in the first place but doesn’t realize this isn’t the early 90’s anymore, Jimmy Johnson isn’t his coach and the league has changed drastically.

It's been a QUARTER CENTURY since the Cowboys were in the Super Bowl. Jerry hasn't handled the salary cap era well at all. Very poorly, in fact, up to now. Things were starting to look better, but if he pays Zeke elite money it's going to hurt the Cowboys ability to RE-SIGN their own free agents over the next few years. The team will decline a little year after year.

While it's true that no other franchise is the New England Patriots, that doesn't mean you can't learn from them and apply a lot of what they do to your own team! Overpaying players in general is something they don't do - especially at running back!

 

[birdwells1]

Being the leading rusher in the Super Bowl is nice, but it isn't indicative of how good a back is - Timmy Smith had an amazing Super Bowl, but was a bust other than that.

And you're right, while the Patriots drafting a RB in the first round was out of the norm for them, you know damned well they'll never pay him elite money. They'll use him for a few years and once he becomes expensive they'll move on.

Again, look at the Eagles and Broncos as well - neither of those teams had anywhere near an elite running back, and they both won recent Super Bowls.

Elite qbing, Brady, Manning and Foles played elite.
Elite defenses, elite coaching.

Which one does Dallas have?

 

[JeffAtl]

Because they go on vacation at that time. lol The point is they don't do it and whether they overpay or not they probably won't do it in the future.

It's because there is a salary cap and the FO has to use to cap space to pay for existing contracts and extending those of draftees. Now there will be even less money to do that.

When the OL blocking falters, the WRs can't get open or the defense can't hold a lead, I have doubt that the "pay the man" crowd will scream "Dak and Zeke can'd do it all by themselves - get those men some help!".