Zeke vs Barkley: Which is best RB in NFL?

[aria]

I don’t believe any site that says the cowboys were better run blocking than pass blocking last year. Like I said it’s harder to pass block than run block, especially when u factor in substitutions due to injury. This oline has been manhandled in games like Denver and in the playoffs against the rams. Count the holes Zeke had to run through, it won’t take long. Reputation and money-wise this line has underperformed the last 2 years. I doubt you’d find many to disagree with that

If Morris was a quality backup why’s he off the team, twice? I wonder if opposing teams scheme differently with Elliot out??? Would that explain his ypc? I’ve asked u about 20?’s without an answer. Does a website that ranks offensive lines factor in the quality of a rb? Do some rbs make their lines better? Would Zeke be a quintessential example of that? Was the interior of the line weak today like large parts of last year? Why was a perceived bad giants line able to open up huge holes for Barkley? Why has a line with tons of money/all pros/pro bowlers not doing the same the last 2 years? Why are Zeke’s big runs coming from bouncing outside after his rookie year? Has Zeke lost his speed and agility from the age of 21-24?

Do I think the Cowboys are anywhere near a top 5 run blocking team the last 2 years hell no, especially last year, even 10 would be quite a few spots too high imo. I doubt you’d find any cowboy fan that would say this was anywhere near the 5th best run blocking line last year

I watched quite a few games today and the run blocking was Some of the worst I saw all day, especially when u factor in Dak was almost perfect passing. Not really a moot point when this group struggles opening up holes for extended periods of time and today was yet another example of that

You bring up some valid points and I understand that there are certain intangibles that can’t be applied to some stats.

If Morris could average more yards per carry because other teams were scheming differently than great, I’ll take almost 5 ypc if they want to shut down one of our receivers or make passing more difficult. He’s not on the team because that was two years ago, most RB’s have short shelf lives plus we just drafted one.

You act like Barkley was running through huge holes all night which is incorrect, hell he barely carried the ball and when he did he was often forced to bounce or run into the back of his linemen. I never said anything about Zeke or Barkley today, the question is who is the better RB so I’m talking about Barkley’s rookie year and Zeke’s career so far.

Since you won’t name 10 top O lines you think were better at run blocking in 2017 and 2018 then let me ask you this. Do you think the Giants run blocking was better than ours last year, yes or no?

 

[aria]

Some of you do look at things objectively, no doubt. Some just like to hate.

True, I’m the unusual breed that does both.

 

[Sydla]

It’s Barkley. That’s not to say Elliott isn’t great.

But Barkley has a skill set no real TB in the league has right now.

 

[Zeke-2K-Yards]

You bring up some valid points and I understand that there are certain intangibles that can’t be applied to some stats.

If Morris could average more yards per carry because other teams were scheming differently than great, I’ll take almost 5 ypc if they want to shut down one of our receivers or make passing more difficult. He’s not on the team because that was two years ago, most RB’s have short shelf lives plus we just drafted one.

You act like Barkley was running through huge holes all night which is incorrect, hell he barely carried the ball and when he did he was often forced to bounce or run into the back of his linemen. I never said anything about Zeke or Barkley today, the question is who is the better RB so I’m talking about Barkley’s rookie year and Zeke’s career so far.

Since you won’t name 10 top O lines you think were better at RB in 2017 or 2018 then let me ask you this. Do you think the Giants run blocking was better than our last years, yes or no?

No I don’t think the Giants line was better than the cowboys line last year, however With the injuries Dallas had I think they were far from great, pretty average imo. Barkley’s very explosive however he’s gonna have games where he might not break one. Yeah Barkley at times had nowhere to run today but other times he was running with nice holes, that Zeke and Pollard didn’t get. That’s very concerning for this team. Interior of defensive and offensive line were both bad today imo. Thankfully Zeke didn’t take a lot of punishment today. Last year he was bothered by hip and knee ailments. Year before I thought he was out of shape to start the year but rebounded. We’ll see how Barkley does without Odell getting attention from the defense. Their receiving corps is pretty weak especially with Tate out rn. I’d imagine upcoming teams will sellout to stop him and force Eli to beat them, which Dallas did in the 2nd half today

 

[Zeke-2K-Yards]

I thought you didn’t care what some website or publication says about rankings or does that only apply in situations that support your arguments?

To answer your question though, in 2018 Zeke was ranked 5th in rushing yards after contact and 10th in receiving yards after contact so once again you’re wrong. Do actually do any research or just throw stuff out there to see what sticks?

YAC is something that’s actually a little easier to prove than “best” oline rankings. I think I’ve explained why.i was being sarcastic. Zeke being great at yac kinda shoots down a lot of the bs haters post about him

 

[Zeke-2K-Yards]

Yep. He was 34th in yards after contact per carry last year

I could’ve sworn he was 123rd in the league last year

 

[QuincyCarterEra]

YAC is something that’s actually a little easier to prove than “best” oline rankings. I think I’ve explained why.i was being sarcastic. Zeke being great at yac kinda shoots down a lot of the bs haters post about him

Zeke wasnt great at YAC.... what are you talking about?

 

[aria]

YAC is something that’s actually a little easier to prove than “best” oline rankings. I think I’ve explained why.i was being sarcastic. Zeke being great at yac kinda shoots down a lot of the bs haters post about him

Yeah, I didn’t think it had anything to do with the o line rankings.

 

[aria]

I could’ve sworn he was 123rd in the league last year

http://www.nfl.com/fantasyfootball/...saquon-barkley-headlines-2018s-top-rbs-in-yac

 

[nightrain]

Barkley; and there isn't a close second. That dude is what God-gifted athletes call God-gifted.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

Man, really looking for weird ways to validate your opinions. Dak threw for 400. We slaughtered the Giants. Why are you posting this meaningless stat three times?

Why are you on a Zeke vs. Barkley thread talking about Dak?

 

[krimson]

Barkley is noticeably better. He doesn't pound the ball like Zeke but he is faster, more elusive, and is just as hard to bring down. Every time he touched the ball it felt like he had a huge gain. I'm so happy we got ahead so quickly because it forced them to abandon the run pretty quickly.

 

[JohnnyTheFox]

It’s Barkley. That’s not to say Elliott isn’t great.

But Barkley has a skill set no real TB in the league has right now.

Agreed.
I'd rate Zeke a solid 8/10, Barkley is closer to a 10.

 

[IceBowler]

No. 26 was today.

 

[Playmaker3128]

While i do think saquon is better i don't think zeke gets enough credit for what he does.

Guy has 4000 yards in three season. At that pace he'd be in the top 15 in career rushing yards by the time he's 30.

This is a guy that pretty much single handily was instrumental in 2 of the last 3 years playoff runs. He carried this team on his back. Yeah they had a great oline. But dak wasn't what he is now, the defense was still young and we never really had a number 1 wr till mid way through last year.

Said it before and i'll say it again. What makes zeke great is his elite vision. Thats something he'll have his whole career. How many times has he kept drives alive on 3rd and 1 when nothing is there. People want the big runs, but its the between the tackles grind it out yards where zeke is great.

Both will be hall of famers one day. For zeke though its about staying out of off the field stuff.

 

[Dale]

Barkley is insanely gifted. Strangely, the Giants seem reluctant to build their offense around him.

 

[DandyDon52]

Elliott 13 53 10 1
Barkley 11 120 59 0

less carries and twice as many yds, and giants abandoned the run when they got behind!
That pretty much says Barkley is the better rb

 

[Cowboysheelsreds053]

My first take was when I saw 3 carries for 64 yards for SB was, where is our great Hotzboys D at.

 

[kskboys]

Barkley is noticeably better. He doesn't pound the ball like Zeke but he is faster, more elusive, and is just as hard to bring down. Every time he touched the ball it felt like he had a huge gain. I'm so happy we got ahead so quickly because it forced them to abandon the run pretty quickly.

Everything you touted was openfield runner traits. Barkley is better in the open field, no one is arguing against that. However, you're missing a ton of traits of inside runners. Zeke is more powerful, a much better straight ahead runner, much better at moving the chains, and is the best blocking RB in the NFL.

 

[kskboys]

Elliott 13 53 10 1
Barkley 11 120 59 0

less carries and twice as many yds, and giants abandoned the run when they got behind!
That pretty much says Barkley is the better rb

1 game? What do you do, kick your wife out of the house if she gets a zit?