It seems that Trysten Hill belongs on a milk carton

[Verdict]

I think they took him thinking he could play right out of the gate as a backup type and then eventually would hopefully develop.

My gut tells me they were surprised how raw and unready he was to play at a NFL level. That's not a good thing from your 2nd round pick.

And for fans (not saying you) to suggest the plan all along was they knew he couldn't play but might develop down the road, is just excuse making for a franchise that saw their 2nd round pick have a pretty shoddy training camp and not even be active in his first game.

Spot on.

 

[gimmesix]

Smith is a pretty terrible example. Because in that case, they had inside information on the medical condition of a guy who was projected to be a Top 5 pick. So in that sense, they used a 2nd round pick to take a chance on a guy who was an elite NFL draft talent.

Taking a guy in Hill, at a position of need mind you, as a future stash in the hope that he might be serviceable a few years from now isn't quite the same thing.

That's not at all what they did. They took him hoping what they saw on tape would materialize quickly but knowing that it might take time, which it does for some players. The idea wasn't to get someone "serviceable" in a few years, but to get someone who could eventually be the type of 3-tech this defense needs. Hill was not a second-round pick based on what he accomplished at Central Florida but because of the explosiveness and power he showed at his size. It's a long way from Central Florida to the NFL, especially for a player who had some trouble on that level as far as getting where the coaches wanted him to be.

 

[Verdict]

Hill wasn't suppose to be a plug and play day 1 starter, hopes for year 1 is to become a quality rotational player. Right now he is a developmental prospect playing at a position that has a steep leaning curve. Revisit him later in the season to see if he progresses, way too early to say to say the pick was good or not!

Come on kool aid drinker. We are talking about him not being able to beat out journeyman players to make it to he active 46 player roster. How bad and ineffective do you have to be to not make the 46 man active roster? He’s a ghost right now.

 

[Sydla]

That's not at all what they did. They took him hoping what they saw on tape would materialize quickly but knowing that it might take time, which it does for some players. The idea wasn't to get someone "serviceable" in a few years, but to get someone who could eventually be the type of 3-tech this defense needs. Hill was not a second-round pick based on what he accomplished at Central Florida but because of the explosiveness and power he showed at his size. It's a long way from Central Florida to the NFL, especially for a player who had some trouble on that level as far as getting where the coaches wanted him to be.

This is simply revisionist history.

Nowhere when he was drafted did anyone in this organization even hint that they viewed him as some sort of big project that would take a year or more to develop. Basically, this whole story line is coming now because some fans just can't admit reality - that they may have overvalued Hill in the draft.

They drafted him thinking he could play right away and be more than adeqate as a DT and as with most rookies, would improve in time.

This new angle of "well he's raw and we should have expected he'd be inactive as he develops" is simply BS.

Let's just call a spade a spade here. The Cowboys are probably surprised (and maybe disappointed) that their 2nd round pick, a guy they believed could play this year, was way more raw than they thought and can't even get active for his first NFL game. The initial returns on Hill are certainly not good. Does that mean he's a bum and a bust? No. Maybe he improves and gets active later, but for right now, I am not sure how anyone can sit there and think all this is going according to plan.

 

[gimmesix]

I think they took him thinking he could play right out of the gate as a backup type and then eventually would hopefully develop.

My gut tells me they were surprised how raw and unready he was to play at a NFL level. That's not a good thing from your 2nd round pick.

And for fans (not saying you) to suggest the plan all along was they knew he couldn't play but might develop down the road, is just excuse making for a franchise that saw their 2nd round pick have a pretty shoddy training camp and not even be active in his first game.

I'm not sure they were surprised by it, but you know they had to be hoping he'd be further along than he is. What disappointed me is that I didn't see that first-step explosion much in the preseason. It's possible that was because his head was just swimming as he tried to concentrate on technique, etc., but I was hoping that we'd see him shooting through the line, even if he was out of control and not able to get in on the play.

 

[Praxit]

....cowboys feeling that Sunk Cost fallacy. You know, when you spend time and money on a something, even if fruitless, you will find reason to keep it.

 

[gimmesix]

This is simply revisionist history.

Nowhere when he was drafted did anyone in this organization even hint that they viewed him as some sort of big project that would take a year or more to develop. Basically, this whole story line is coming now because some fans just can't admit reality - that they may have overvalued Hill in the draft.

They drafted him thinking he could play right away and be more than adeqate as a DT and as with most rookies, would improve in time.

This new angle of "well he's raw and we should have expected he'd be inactive as he develops" is simply BS.

I expected the possibility that he would be inactive at least in the early part of the season because he clearly had a lot to learn. If the team didn't expect it, then shame on them.

I don't think the team ever would say, "Well, we drafted this player in the second round knowing that he'll probably be inactive his rookie year." That would be suicide.

 

[cowboyblue22]

he should of never been drafted where he was marnelli needs to stay out of the draft room taco and hill should of never been drafted their were other better players in their spots u take the best player or trade down

 

[texbumthelife]

Didn't like the pick when it was made, don't like it now. He might turn into something and I acknowledge DTs can take a little longer to transition, but he hasn't flashed once through mini camps or training camp. Not once.

 

[Verdict]

OP that was harsh.
Question:
Who would want a Dallas team so deep, that their early draft picks are fighting to make the team and relegated to being inactive week 1?

Class dismissed.

Hill isn’t being omitted because of DT depth. He isn’t making the 46 because he can’t play.

 

[gimmesix]

This is simply revisionist history.

Nowhere when he was drafted did anyone in this organization even hint that they viewed him as some sort of big project that would take a year or more to develop. Basically, this whole story line is coming now because some fans just can't admit reality - that they may have overvalued Hill in the draft.

They drafted him thinking he could play right away and be more than adeqate as a DT and as with most rookies, would improve in time.

This new angle of "well he's raw and we should have expected he'd be inactive as he develops" is simply BS.

Let's just call a spade a spade here. The Cowboys are probably surprised (and maybe disappointed) that their 2nd round pick, a guy they believed could play this year, was way more raw than they thought and can't even get active for his first NFL game. The initial returns on Hill are certainly not good. Does that mean he's a bum and a bust? No. Maybe he improves and gets active later, but for right now, I am not sure how anyone can sit there and think all this is going according to plan.

Here's what McClay said (notice there's nothing in there about him either starting or even getting playing time during the season):

For McClay, it’s about focusing on taking the best player with respect to need on the roster and then make the right choices. That’s what happened in 2019.

“I am happy with what we did, without having a first-round pick,” McClay said. “There wasn’t a receiver in the draft as good as Amari Cooper. We won there. The rest of the draft was finding players to make you more competitive. Are they going to be all pro and starters? We don’t know. But they are going to be competitive.”

Here is his review of the draft picks and key undrafted signings with the Star-Telegram:

Round 2 (58th overall): Trysten Hill, DT, UCF

“He has unique three-tech type traits,” McClay said. “It’s explosive quickness off the ball. It’s the ability to be disruptive. His love and the energy he plays the game with. He can do things we want that position to do.”

Per McClay, a difference-making three-tech tackle is the most important player in defensive coordinator Rod Marinelli’s scheme. As much as the Cowboys love Pro Bowler DeMarcus Lawrence at left end, think about what a Hall of Famer like Warren Sapp would do in the middle. That is the reason they valued that position over a safety in the second round.

“It’s the straw that stirs the drink,” McClay said. “The penetration of the three-technique sets the tone for the whole defense.”

It also must be noted that the Cowboys believe Hill has learned and matured over the last year, considering his problems with the UCF coaching staff in 2018 that had him starting just one of 12 games.

It was especially notable to the Cowboys that Hill spent his 21st birthday in a not-so-ritzy hotel in Orlando talking football and going over plays with Marinelli rather than partying in a club. That spoke to his love for the game and bond he has developed with Marinelli that potentially could unlock his potential for greatness. That talent is there.

 

[Verdict]

That's not at all what they did. They took him hoping what they saw on tape would materialize quickly but knowing that it might take time, which it does for some players. The idea wasn't to get someone "serviceable" in a few years, but to get someone who could eventually be the type of 3-tech this defense needs. Hill was not a second-round pick based on what he accomplished at Central Florida but because of the explosiveness and power he showed at his size. It's a long way from Central Florida to the NFL, especially for a player who had some trouble on that level as far as getting where the coaches wanted him to be.

You can take developmental players but you don’t take developmental players who can’t crack the 46 in the second round.

 

[Kevinicus]

1 game.

Haven't you heard? That's how you judge things around here.

 

[glimmerman]

Not expecting much from him this year. Maybe towards the end of the season.

 

[Verdict]

Marinelli sure seems to have zero ability to find talent on his DL. Hell even Taco made the 46 man roster and he seems to be WAY over drafted and that is putting it kindly.

 

[Verdict]

I hope Hill turns it around. But pretending it is a great pick at this point sure looks like folly.

 

[Whirlwin]

Then he should not have been taken in the 2nd round. That needs to be at least a contributor. There were starting quality safeties there waiting for us. And we passed them up for a developmental DT they didnt expect to use?? No way. That is spin. He was expected to challenge for a spot. Instead, he cant even make the game day roster on a team that is not strong on the interior DL.

I guess they never should have taken Jaylon Smith either. Or Rodger for that matter you know how many players we took we waited seasons for them to come Herschel Walker wasn't even in the league. And look what we did with him

 

[pitt33]

Didn't like the pick when it was made, don't like it now. He might turn into something and I acknowledge DTs can take a little longer to transition, but he hasn't flashed once through mini camps or training camp. Not once.

Right now he stinks. He was downright awful in preseason and if he wasn’t a second round pick he would have been cut.

 

[Sydla]

Here's what McClay said (notice there's nothing in there about him either starting or even getting playing time during the season):

For McClay, it’s about focusing on taking the best player with respect to need on the roster and then make the right choices. That’s what happened in 2019.

“I am happy with what we did, without having a first-round pick,” McClay said. “There wasn’t a receiver in the draft as good as Amari Cooper. We won there. The rest of the draft was finding players to make you more competitive. Are they going to be all pro and starters? We don’t know. But they are going to be competitive.”

Here is his review of the draft picks and key undrafted signings with the Star-Telegram:

Round 2 (58th overall): Trysten Hill, DT, UCF

“He has unique three-tech type traits,” McClay said. “It’s explosive quickness off the ball. It’s the ability to be disruptive. His love and the energy he plays the game with. He can do things we want that position to do.”

Per McClay, a difference-making three-tech tackle is the most important player in defensive coordinator Rod Marinelli’s scheme. As much as the Cowboys love Pro Bowler DeMarcus Lawrence at left end, think about what a Hall of Famer like Warren Sapp would do in the middle. That is the reason they valued that position over a safety in the second round.

“It’s the straw that stirs the drink,” McClay said. “The penetration of the three-technique sets the tone for the whole defense.”

It also must be noted that the Cowboys believe Hill has learned and matured over the last year, considering his problems with the UCF coaching staff in 2018 that had him starting just one of 12 games.

It was especially notable to the Cowboys that Hill spent his 21st birthday in a not-so-ritzy hotel in Orlando talking football and going over plays with Marinelli rather than partying in a club. That spoke to his love for the game and bond he has developed with Marinelli that potentially could unlock his potential for greatness. That talent is there.

None of that proves your point. Nowhere in any of that is there anything that would indicate that they believed Hill would be a long project that might not even be able to get active in his first game.

I mean the quote you bolded would actually hurt your argument. They expected Hill to be competitive. He isn't. He can't even get active for his first game.

 

[Manster_Mash]

I guess they never should have taken Jaylon Smith either. Or Rodger for that matter you know how many players we took we waited seasons for them to come Herschel Walker wasn't even in the league. And look what we did with him

Not even remotely comparable situations, and you know it.