It seems that Trysten Hill belongs on a milk carton

[Hennessy_King]

What we ain't looking at is he was taken at the tail end of the 2nd. Chances ain't good finding an instant impact player there. So what if he was inactive? He's probably gonna be inactive several times this year while he learns the NFL game. If he's still inactive several games into the season, then it might be time for concern.

Juan thornhill the starting SS for the chiefs has been ballin he was there at 58

 

[Manster_Mash]

Juan thornhill the starting SS for the chiefs has been ballin he was there at 58

And at position of need. SMFH.

 

[PUSHfold]

OP....we've played one game....one game against a team with a much improved O-line...lol.....

This forum man...it's always extremes one way or the other.

 

[Verdict]

Obviously, you hope those players would give you more than that as a rookie and maybe even believe that the player will, but they didn't take him based on the fact that he was an NFL-ready player. They took him based on his skills and hoped that they could get him NFL ready quickly. I'm not saying they aren't disappointed that he didn't become at least a part of the rotation right off the bat, but you had to consider that to be a possibility.

The main question the team had to ask is whether to take him knowing that was a possibility or probably lose him before its next draft pick rolled around. They went with the potential. I'm willing to wait before casting stones at the decision.

I am willing to consider that he may become the next Tank, but how quickly he develops makes a huge difference in the return on investment for he draft pick.

I’m reasonable enough not to call him a bust at this point, and get that he may turn into a player. But it sure looks like, at this point in time, that the fact he can’t make the 46 man roster doesn’t look like a good sign.

Taco has been disappointing to say the least. We forced the pick and drafted him too high. (At least it appears so). Now we took Hill with a premium pick and he can’t even make the 46 man active roster at a very THIN POSITION. That’s not a good sign.

We hung on to Linehan and wasted lots of talent for far too long. We seem to be refusing to acknowledge that Marinelli’s best days have passed and he has no idea how to acquire DL talent. His Joey Ivey Mr. Olympia celebration pretty much tells you what you need to know. He is clueless about the DL talent acquisition process.

 

[RodeoJake]

Juan thornhill the starting SS for the chiefs has been ballin he was there at 58

His stats Sunday don't suggest that. 8 tackles and zero passes defensed against Foles and a backup playing his first NFL regular season game. KC's secondary was putrid in that game.

 

[eromeopolk]

It took the no.1 overall pick at DT for the Dallas Cowboys 3/4 of a season before he began to make an impact on the DL for the Cowboys in 1991. Russell Maryland went on to be a solid starter and pro bowler.

Top College DL usually take a year to adjust to the NFL. Even JJ Wyatt was not a pro bowler his rookie year.

Remember the 3 year rule.

 

[Manster_Mash]

His stats Sunday don't suggest that. 8 tackles and zero passes defensed against Foles and a backup playing his first NFL regular season game. KC's secondary was putrid in that game.

How many tackles did Hill have?

 

[Verdict]

You obviously don't get it. What else is new. It takes three seasons before you know what you have in a draft pick. Everything else is conversation

Not all players get 3 years. Even Taco’s days appear to be numbered.

 

[PUSHfold]

I totally agree with what you said. I hope Trysten has a nice career in Dallas, but he isn't worth a 2nd round pick. Maybe a 4th. If you are picked in the first three rounds of the NFL Draft you should be able to contribute from day 1..

This isn't necessarily true for D-linemen....you take the ones with the talent and traits even if they're developmental players EARLY because they're so hard to find. If Trysten was already NFL ready he'd have been a top 5-10 pick. There's nothing at all wrong with drafting players like Trysten to develop. They're worth the gamble...this is how you get good d-linemen in the later rounds without blowing a top 5 pick on them.

 

[Hennessy_King]

I never understand this line of thinking. If he had a second-round value and was expected to be taken in the second round, how could we wait to take him on Day 3?

You rate the players and you take them where they are expected to go. You don't rate them according to how much playing time they will receive as a rookie. You rate them on ability. The ceiling is very high with Hill, which is why he went in the second round. The reason he didn't go in the first round is because of the bust potential.

Look at this like the Jaylon Smith pick. We knew he wasn't going to play his first year, but we took him in the second round anyway because we weren't going to be able to get him later. I know there's a difference between the two, but the idea is basically the same.

The idea is not even close to being the same thing. Jaylon smith wss a top 5 pick if he wasnt injured. Hill couldnt even start in college

 

[Verdict]

It took the no.1 overall pick at DT for the Dallas Cowboys 3/4 of a season before he began to make an impact on the DL for the Cowboys in 1991. Russell Maryland went on to be a solid starter and pro bowler.

Top College DL usually take a year to adjust to the NFL. Even JJ Wyatt was not a pro bowler his rookie year.

Remember the 3 year rule.

Was Watt on the 46? Lol. Come on. You are surely smarter than that.

 

[Jipper]

OP....we've played one game....one game against a team with a much improved O-line...lol.....

This forum man...it's always extremes one way or the other.

its not the forum, its the fanbase....i mean the guys a rookie and not even a 1st round pick at that...

 

[Hawkeye0202]

It’s too early to declare anything about Trysten Hill. Yes, the early returns from preseason games weren’t great. But this guy was always drafted as a project, and the day he was drafted I don’t think the team penciled him in as an immediate starter.

I am concerned that a second round pick is set to have no impact this year, but it’s too early to make the determination that he’s a bust. Time will tell.

All you can do is shake your head that some posters/fans are ALREADY throwing the kid under the bus. Jesus, talk about negative mentality......

 

[JayFord]

It’s one game and we’re deep at defensive line and tbh I think hill is a project player who’s going to take a full rookie contract to develop Gotta give the rookie some time

 

[Verdict]

It took the no.1 overall pick at DT for the Dallas Cowboys 3/4 of a season before he began to make an impact on the DL for the Cowboys in 1991. Russell Maryland went on to be a solid starter and pro bowler.

Top College DL usually take a year to adjust to the NFL. Even JJ Wyatt was not a pro bowler his rookie year.

Remember the 3 year rule.

I guess he can be inactive for 3 years using your logic and that makes it A-OK. Lol

 

[Hennessy_King]

His stats Sunday don't suggest that. 8 tackles and zero passes defensed against Foles and a backup playing his first NFL regular season game. KC's secondary was putrid in that game.

How were hills stats? And hes way better than heath so theres that. Thornhill had a decent game. Sorry

 

[Sydla]

It took the no.1 overall pick at DT for the Dallas Cowboys 3/4 of a season before he began to make an impact on the DL for the Cowboys in 1991. Russell Maryland went on to be a solid starter and pro bowler.

Top College DL usually take a year to adjust to the NFL. Even JJ Wyatt was not a pro bowler his rookie year.

Remember the 3 year rule.

Was Russell Maryland inactive for his first game? Was JJ Watt?

Most top college DL do take some time to get their feet wet but few, if any, are so bad that they are inactive in their first ro game. I tried to do a quick look and I couldn't find a first or second round DL that was healthy and also was inactive in their first NFL game. Granted, I only loked at a few drafts from a couple of years ago.

 

[TwoCentPlain]

In hindsight, it probably would have been better on draft day to just trade the 2019 2nd round pick for a 2nd round pick in the 2020 draft. Hill hasn't shown much to date. Time will tell and maybe Hill just needs some time.

Could be that the Cowboys are looking not short but intermediate term for him to grow into the position by next year as an insurance policy if DT Maelik Collins leaves in FA.

Short term evaluation, Hill has not shown much. I do not think many of us are surprised.

 

[Hennessy_King]

OP....we've played one game....one game against a team with a much improved O-line...lol.....

This forum man...it's always extremes one way or the other.

We arent critiquing his play he didnt even get dressed lol

 

[Sydla]

All you can do is shake your head that some posters/fans are ALREADY throwing the kid under the bus. Jesus, talk about negative mentality......

Equally head shaking is this new found defense that Hill was taken knowing he would largely be a non-factor as a rookie because he needed a year or two to develop.