Twitter: 2016 Draft Derek Henry & Zeke

[rnr_honeybadger]

Good for Derrick Henry. What exactly do you want us to discuss? Zeke is a productive back as is Henry.

 

[blueblood70]

I didn’t use generational talent in reference to Zeke..or anyone.

so Saquon Barkley is better than Zeke now? So what? Great for Barkley. It doesn’t lessen Zeke or his value to my favorite team does it?

 

[blueblood70]

Good for Derrick Henry. What exactly do you want us to discuss? Zeke is a productive back as is Henry.

 

[QuincyCarterEra]

NO HE DOESNT Zeke has a better Career YPC..it shows Zeke no matter 18 carrier or 25 his YPC do not suffer..YPC Zeke career leads henry This season already leads Henry.. YPC is the stat..

again dismissing your own player by nit picking stats for no reason but to argue and debate one draft that was over 3 years ago and two whether he should have got paid, but he DID..its over MOVE ON..

I never in my life seen so many fans that use other teams players to rtry and knock down their own.. its insanity.. bunch of tools

Again, no substance

 

[IndianaCowboys1994]

Again one has a rushing title and one doesn’t in those 500 carries, so how does that absolutely not contradict that? I’m a big fan of Henry’s and wanted him or Zeke so I’m not gonna trash Henry unlike you who trashes Zeke at every turn.

Agree. Both are very good RBs. Henry is pretty good inside the goaline. I take Zeke in any other aspect.

 

[Ken]

Is 500 carries too small a sample size?

Not too small at all.

This is a big reason why I am not enamored with Zeke like everyone else. He is a good rb sure. Not biggest contract in the history of the league for rb good though.

Jalen Ramsey, Jaylen Smith and a trade up for Henry would have been amazing in 2016. Hind site is 20/20 however...

 

[blueblood70]

We aren't talking about their career, that's not the subject.

I would hope Zeke's YPC would be higher for his career since he played behind the best Oline assembled since the turn of the century his rookie year. You take out that year? His YPC is lower than Henry's, despite Henry facing wayyy more stacked boxes and playing behind a worse OL. Hell Zeke averaged 4.1 ypc for his entire 2017 season, that's replacement level efficiency.

When talking about a player's current level of play you don't have to use "ALL the stats from game 1". Unless you think Demaryius Thomas is currently better than Michael Thomas

And no not all of Zeke's stats are better thanHenry's. Not even close. Henry demolishes Zeke in TDs per touch. Zeke only has 5 more rushing TDs on almost twice as many rushes. That's bad.

again its a career achievement , HOF players all stats used noone goes back and gives players a reprieve for what ever their situation is, this isnt FF or Madden ..REALKTY.. Zekes had a better career and he got paid and hes DC, you know the team you allegedly are fan of..

YPC is all that matters and zeks is leading henry this year already career leads already,,..SMH

 

[IndianaCowboys1994]

NO HE DOESNT Zeke has a better Career YPC..it shows Zeke no matter 18 carrier or 25 his YPC do not suffer..YPC Zeke career leads henry This season already leads Henry.. YPC is the stat..

again dismissing your own player by nit picking stats for no reason but to argue and debate one draft that was over 3 years ago and two whether he should have got paid, but he DID..its over MOVE ON..

I never in my life seen so many fans that use other teams players to rtry and knock down their own.. its insanity.. bunch of tools

He must long for the days of the Quincy Carter-Troy Hambrick-Antonio Bryant trio.

 

[blueblood70]

Again, no substance

the substance is the real NFL Career stats..hes better been better and will always be better..is it by a lot..NO but here and now..it is what it is..

If Wentz was playing behind this line with EE in 2016 Goff as well up to now they are FAR better then dak..oh wait we arent doing that are we..?? hmm

 

[QuincyCarterEra]

again its a career achievement , HOF players all stats used noone goes back and gives players a reprieve for what ever their situation is, this isnt FF or Madden ..REALKTY.. Zekes had a better career and he got paid and hes DC, you know the team you allegedly are fan of..

YPC is all that matters and zeks is leading henry this year already career leads already,,..SMH

You really arent capable of following a topic. This isnt about HOF either, noone has mentioned it.

Lol "ypc is all that matters"(no it doesnt), so you agree that over the last 500 carries that Henry has been better than Zeke? Great, that's all the tweet way saying. I'm glad we can agree.

 

[blueblood70]

You really arent capable of following a topic. This isnt about HOF either, noone has mentioned it.

Lol "ypc is all that matters"(no it doesnt), so you agree that over the last 500 carries that Henry has been better than Zeke? Great, that's all the tweet way saying. I'm glad we can agree.

OH yes they have the terms Generational and HOF have been mentioned and we cut the OP off clean at the knees as he asked in the Original post IF its enough sample size..no its not so this is about a players entire portfolio up to present.. and right now zeke has better YPC this very week...moving on.. I dont argue with tool trolls..

 

[QuincyCarterEra]

OH yes they have the terms Generational and HOF have been mentioned and we cut the OP off clean at the knees as he asked in the Original post IF its enough sample size..no its not so this is about a players entire portfolio up to present.. and right now zeke has better YPC this very week...moving on.. I dont argue with tool trolls..

If a person disagrees and beats you in a debate they're now a "tool troll".

Yeah okay, little buddy. Just sit this one out.

 

[gimmesix]

So your argument is when Henry was on the field especially early on in his career when he wasn't catching passes that defenses were so wowed by the other titans talent on the field that they just ignored the big rumbling rb?

That's your argument? Especially when he played the run downs? Really?

Henry had less than half of Tennessee's carries last season (215 of 456). He caught 15 of their 293 receptions.

Yes, you focus on that player much less than you focus on one who has three-fourths of his team's carries (304 of 439) and 77 of 356 receptions.

The Titans had nearly 1,000 yards rushing (1,059 of 2,027) beyond what Henry provided. Dallas had about 500 (1,434 of 1,963).

Defensive coordinators prioritize the players they need to stop. You can't tell me that based on those numbers, Elliott wasn't a higher priority when facing Dallas than Henry was when facing the Titans. You don't play eight in the box against Henry as much when so much of the offense (1,158 from Henry of 5,002 yards compared to 2,001 from Elliott of 5,501) is coming from elsewhere. You study him on film, plan to stop him, etc., but no, he doesn't become the focal point.

 

[blueblood70]

If a person disagrees and beats you in a debate they're now a "tool troll".

Yeah okay, little buddy. Just sit this one out.

BEAT???? wait I forgot its a game in here..LMAO really no you will always be wrong about Zeke when you use partial stats.. you won NOTHING NADA I mean did CZ send you a certificate and participation trophy.. what did it say #1 TROLL FOR THE DAY Philly and Rams fans do this on radio talk shows they call in and say true things like Wentz and Goff if you take away 2016, and only the last Xamount of games played that they have better numbers then Dak.. its true but also stupide you cant dismiss players games played in an entire year to suit your narrative.. its like saying Daks better then Brady brees and rivers because of THESE TWO GAMES.. no thats not how it works..only on the internet can you TRY to make it fit your argument but you fail because numbers a players are judged on are Yearly stats and career stats.. not just ok lets take 500 snaps and see... LMSAO..

I dint realize an open internet forum was win lose area..
you truly are troll when you and everyone try to take your own Players the ones you are supposed to support and instead of hying them , appreciating them, you go and use anther player PARTIAL stats vs career stats.. I went further take it all away so far this season 2 games EE has better YPC.. NEXT

BYE!!!!!!!

 

[Proximo]

You have a huge opinion of yourself for someone how is most likely an overweight middle aged man who never played or coached at a level worth mentioning.

Until you can prove why your opinion is more valuable than a guy like say.Eric Dickerson then I’m going to choose to listen to the Hall of Famer over anonymous internet guy hiding behind a Pic from the lion king.

is that weird? Does this make me weird?

In a previous thread OP seriously suggested that Zeke could essentially be replaced by literally anyone.

He then went on to compare him to guys like Alfred Morris and a random UDFA in Denver.
Seriously.

Guy is either an elaborate troll or obsessed and delusional.

https://cowboyszone.com/posts/9339286/

 

[QuincyCarterEra]

Henry had less than half of Tennessee's carries last season (215 of 456). He caught 15 of their 293 receptions.

Yes, you focus on that player much less than you focus on one who has three-fourths of his team's carries (304 of 439) and 77 of 356 receptions.

The Titans had nearly 1,000 yards rushing (1,059 of 2,027) beyond what Henry provided. Dallas had about 500 (1,434 of 1,963).

Defensive coordinators prioritize the players they need to stop. You can't tell me that based on those numbers, Elliott wasn't a higher priority when facing Dallas than Henry was when facing the Titans. You don't play eight in the box against Henry as much when so much of the offense (1,158 from Henry of 5,002 yards compared to 2,001 from Elliott of 5,501) is coming from elsewhere. You study him on film, plan to stop him, etc., but no, he doesn't become the focal point.

Henry has faced the highest % of 8+ men boxes in the entire league since entering the league. "You dont play eight men in the box against Henry as much...." Yes you do, apparently.

Thinking that D's focus in on Zeke more than every other RB is flawed logic that is not at all aligned with reality

 

[cern]

Is 500 carries too small a sample size?

zeke missed 6 games with a suspension. he also was held out of games at the end of the season. otherwise, his numbers would be vastly better. he's led the league in rushing 2 out of 3 years. ergo, henry did not. so any comparison, imo, based solely on 500 carries is not valid.

 

[cern]

and lest we forget, zeke has had to play in linehan's offense.

 

[keysersoze]

Bottom line is that Zeke is a major part of us having 3 consecutive winning seasons with two NFC East championships and 2 NFL rushing titles of his own. If not for his 6 game suspension he would’ve most likely had 3 in a row. Zeke is perfect for what we need and do. He’s perfect for the current Cowboys team. That’s all that matters. All these fantasy football stats are irrelevant to what we are trying to accomplish as a team. To suggest Henry, Barkley or any other back would be better for us is ludicrous and pure biased speculation at best.

 

[cern]

zeke is the best running back in the nfl. based on his production as a runner, his pass catching skills, his blocking, and his overall value to his team.