Dak vs. Wentz

[Ken]

There was a report earlier this year that there were question in the Eagles locker room about Wentz leadership. I saw the same things last season as Eagles struggled then Wentz goes down and Foles steps in and the eagles went on a big run to make it to post season. Talent wise I think Wentz is a better QB than Foles but I do question the leadership of Wentz. Guys just do not seem to play inspired ball as they did under Foles

Look against the Falcons when Wentz went out. They started moving the ball..haha Eagles fan's groaned when he came back in...lol

 

[DallasInDC]

Looking at the last 16 games played by each QB, Dak has out performed Wentz in 11 categories (see below). When looking at the last 8 games, Dak outperforms Wentz in all 14 categories.

Stat...........Dak.......Wentz
Win %........75%.......44%
YD/GM.......271.0.....282.3
Avg.YD.......8.0........7.5
TD..............28.........32
TD %...........5.2%....5.3%
INT..............7...........11
INT %.........1.3%.....1.8%
TD:INT........4:1........3:1
QB Rating..105.7.....98.8
R TD...........9............1
R YDs..........304.......180
Total TDs......37.........33
Total YDs....290.0.....293.5

 

[Doomsday101]

Look against the Falcons when Wentz went out. They started moving the ball..haha Eagles fan's groaned when he came back in...lol

I think he is talented, I don't question his ability but part of being QB is also leader of the team and that seems to be in question. I saw Philly playing like a completely different team offense and defense last year once Wentz went down and Foles stepped in. Philly went from hoovering around 500 to going 3-0 when Foles took over. On the season Foles went 4-1 and Wentz went 6-5

 

[Clarkson]

If 61.8 percent is not barely over 60 percent, then winning by five points is not barely winning.

A 61.8 percent completion rate for today's quarterbacks is poor. Thirty-five quarterbacks finished last year at 63 percent or better. Thankfully, Dak got much better after Cooper's arrival and finished at 67.7, which was only good enough for 14th in the league (11th if you take out the backups who only threw a few passes).

i didn't argue it was good, ever. it's not good. and neither is 60.2%, which is what Wentz had in 2017. THAT is "barely over 60%." 61.8% is not "barely" over.

 

[blueblood70]

I only posted facts. Don’t get *****y with me because you don’t like them.

As to your point....I’ve read articles that say the Eagles have a better O Line than us. Even if not accurate they are at least close enough that your O Line point is null and void.

WRs. There are threads and articles written saying the Eagles have better WRs also. They have much better TEs at this point also.

Whenever Dak is superior you types point to his supporting cast. You ignore Wentz supporting cast when convenient don’t you?
so when Wentz is better it’s because he is better. When Dak is it’s because our team is better.

Gotcha

UM have you NOT been paying attention they lost two starters on the line one being that Ltackle ie remember the time when Tsmith was out and chaz green was in.. Dak looked like a HS QB.. the eagles also lost two starting WRs, you remember that when we had no WRs and started 3-5?

they arent using there run game at all, not correctly, remember when Zeke was suspended and/or wasn't being used correctly at the goal line etc so bad coaching I remember it was recent history and at that time Fans, coaches and media were questioning Daks as Wentz is being questioned..

thats my point you glossed over, when Wentz had all that was 11 games into the season when he blew his knee out he was in the MVP race, correct?? the dude is under relentless pressure and has WErs dropping passes and a coach not adjusting, sound familiar?

I SAID and lets not forget it was in the last post, switch their situations and Wentz is very successful here at this moment.

Dak was NOT in the NFL top 100 last year and ranked 16th in most polls.. all of sudden a 3 game win streak against horrible teams and the narrative changed , quickly.. its happening to wentz at the moment but can change quickly..

Like I said for the last time Goff, wentz and dak are all a coin toss to whos better.. they are all about the same if put in the SAME situations..

 

[Clarkson]

?

it's almost 2% over.
61.8% is a good bit better than 60%.
just like 64% is a good bit better than 62%.
just like 66% is a good bit better than 64%.
2 percentage points in the NFL is a pretty big deal.

 

[Blake]

Wentz is clearly better.

He's also a much better person.

I don't think deeply closeted eagles fans are the one's to be judging the personal character of players.

Dak has been embarrassing you and exposing your false "smarter than thou" routine since 2016, even eclipsing your beloved Wentz by a long shot and still you continue to dig in because of your deep seated hatred of #4.

I get you think you're pretty popular around here, but you're pathetic in my book. An obvious eagle's fan with tens of thousands of posts on a Cowboy's message board is nothing short of a loser.

 

[Ken]

I think he is talented, I don't question his ability but part of being QB is also leader of the team and that seems to be in question. I saw Philly playing like a completely different team offense and defense last year once Wentz went down and Foles stepped in. Philly went from hoovering around 500 to going 3-0 when Foles took over. On the season Foles went 4-1 and Wentz went 6-5

And Foles beat the Rams...

 

[Doomsday101]

And Foles beat the Rams...

True. If you just took the 2 players Foles and Wentz and worked them out I think 10 out 10 scouts would go with Wentz but there seems to be an "it factor" that is missing with Wentz

 

[Supercowboy1986]

The irony that an eagles fan has the most likes on a cowboys forum

I don't think deeply closeted eagles fans are the one's to be judging the personal character of players.

Dak has been embarrassing you and exposing your false "smarter than thou" routine since 2016, even eclipsing your beloved Wentz by a long shot and still you continue to dig in because of your deep seated hatred of #4.

I get you think you're pretty popular around here, but you're pathetic in my book. An obvious eagle's fan with tens of thousands of posts on a Cowboy's message board is nothing short of a loser.

 

[Ranched]

Why is this still a debate. One is over-rated. One isn't. One already has a perfect passer rating. One doesn't. One is 3-0 and one isn't.

Last but not least, One owns crutches, one doesn't!

 

[Rockport]

it's almost 2% over.
61.8% is a good bit better than 60%.
just like 64% is a good bit better than 62%.
just like 66% is a good bit better than 64%.
2 percentage points in the NFL is a pretty big deal.

Pretty picky aren’t you.

 

[superonyx]

UM have you NOT been paying attention they lost two starters on the line one being that Ltackle ie remember the time when Tsmith was out and chaz green was in.. Dak looked like a HS QB.. the eagles also lost two starting WRs, you remember that when we had no WRs and started 3-5?

they arent using there run game at all, not correctly, remember when Zeke was suspended and/or wasn't being used correctly at the goal line etc so bad coaching I remember it was recent history and at that time Fans, coaches and media were questioning Daks as Wentz is being questioned..

thats my point you glossed over, when Wentz had all that was 11 games into the season when he blew his knee out he was in the MVP race, correct?? the dude is under relentless pressure and has WErs dropping passes and a coach not adjusting, sound familiar?

I SAID and lets not forget it was in the last post, switch their situations and Wentz is very successful here at this moment.

Dak was NOT in the NFL top 100 last year and ranked 16th in most polls.. all of sudden a 3 game win streak against horrible teams and the narrative changed , quickly.. its happening to wentz at the moment but can change quickly..

Like I said for the last time Goff, wentz and dak are all a coin toss to whos better.. they are all about the same if put in the SAME situations..

It’s not because of 3 games against bad teams. That’s the narrative you feel comfortable arguing against I guess. Aren’t we 11-2 in the last 13 games? Was Dak not the AP rookie of the year? Is his career QB rating not in the top 3 all time? The amount of relevant categories where Dak is superior to Wentz is absurd.

This MVP season from Wentz was the year Foles took over and the team actually improved and won the Super Bowl. Why was Wentz not a product of that teams success? They clearly didn’t need him since they improved without him and his replacement became Super Bowl MVP.

Wentz has been hyped to no end.

With Wentz you are making excuses nom stop. we don’t need to do this with Dak.

 

[Kingofholland]

There is no question Wentz has the superior arm talent. Arm talent alone doesn't win games though.

 

[Clarkson]

Pretty picky aren’t you.

i mean, not really.
"barely over," to me, would imply that a couple more incomplete passes would result in being at or below that number.
2% over is not "barely" in this context.
if you got an 11.8% ROI would you say it's "barely" over 10%? no. that would be dumb. it's safely over 10%.
numbers are hard for some tho.

 

[Rockport]

i mean, not really.
"barely over," to me, would imply that a couple more incomplete passes would result in being at or below that number.
2% over is not "barely" in this context.
if you got an 11.8% ROI would you say it's "barely" over 10%? no. that would be dumb. it's safely over 10%.
numbers are hard for some tho.

Well you could squeeze out diamonds with that attitude.

 

[nobody]

They had to have heard some sort of whistle, right? They all did it in unison

I guess. They all acted like the play was over.

 

[Kaiser]

I don't think deeply closeted eagles fans are the one's to be judging the personal character of players.

Dak has been embarrassing you and exposing your false "smarter than thou" routine since 2016, even eclipsing your beloved Wentz by a long shot and still you continue to dig in because of your deep seated hatred of #4.

I get you think you're pretty popular around here, but you're pathetic in my book. An obvious eagle's fan with tens of thousands of posts on a Cowboy's message board is nothing short of a loser.

I have a couple of people on Ignore because its not worth my time to read them, a couple of others because they can't do anything but dumb personal attacks. There are posts replying to someone I ignore that I know who they are replying to without seeing who it is. I used to occasionally click on the "show ignored posts" thing to confirm I was right, I quit doing it because I was always right about which troll was being responded to.

 

[Romo_To_Dez]

There was a report earlier this year that there were question in the Eagles locker room about Wentz leadership. I saw the same things last season as Eagles struggled then Wentz goes down and Foles steps in and the eagles went on a big run to make it to post season. Talent wise I think Wentz is a better QB than Foles but I do question the leadership of Wentz. Guys just do not seem to play inspired ball as they did under Foles

When I said that there are other aspects that makes an franchise QB or an elite QB besides his arm talents, this is what I mean. Wentz may have a great arm and some believe he has better natural QB skills over Dak. But, Dak has those intangibles of leadership and making a team want to play hard for him. That what I would give Dak over Wentz.

Now, I'm wondered whether or not the strain in the between Eagles players and Wentz will start to show itself more with the more than they lose, and if some of them will wish that had Foles their instead of Wentz.

 

[gimmesix]

i didn't argue it was good, ever. it's not good. and neither is 60.2%, which is what Wentz had in 2017. THAT is "barely over 60%." 61.8% is not "barely" over.

I consider both to be barely over 60 percent, so I guess it depends on your definition. I also consider 66 to 67 percent to be barely over 65 percent and 68-69 percent to be barely under 70 percent in the overall scheme of things.