I almost felt sorry for Garrett

[OmerV]

Last night's performance had Carrot-head written all over it.

So, he has nothing to do with the offense when it is good, but he is controlling the offense when it isn't so good … that viewpoint has agenda written all over it.

 

[Blake]

In all seriousness, didn't Garrett look out of it last night? I really felt bad for him.

I don't feel sorry for Captain Sobel types.
Players need to stage a mutiny.

 

[charron]

I know. But he's responsible for the approach. Last night was the Linehan offense, hands down. It's JG's vision, always has been.

Did you congratulate him for the offense scoring 30+ in each of the 1st 3 games? Most on here give him zero credit when things go right and 100% of the blame when it doesn't. Moore went away from the things that made the offense successful- this part is true. But we don't know why. Crowd noise have a role? The saints D line obliterated our OL. We had zero run game. Why didn't more call more passing plays or even attempt to use pollard as a quick way to beat the saints rush?

 

[PAPPYDOG]

My question is, who kidnapped Kellen Moore and replaced him with Scott Linehan?

The offense played the entire game not to lose, but here we are...

If its not the Carriage then its the Horses........its same old same old no matter who's calling the plays?
Answer that and you win a set of steak knifes and a years supply of TOSTITOS and Campbell's soup baby!!!

 

[kevm3]

Feel sorry for Garrett for what? He's one of the longest tenured coaches in the NFL and gets paid millions of dollars while everyone else takes the blame for our lack of success. If only we got rid of x player and updated y position, then we'd make it! If only we got rid of this DC! If only if we got a new OC! Year after year it's the same result and yet there's only been one consistent on this team. How long is this process supposed to take? Pederson won a superbowl after year 2 and Mcvey was in one in year 2.

 

[Ranching]

At what level? High School and the NFL are very different.

As for having the authority to take over the play calling, that's not what I was talking about. I was talking about the wisdom of a head coach using the authority to relieve a coordinator of play calling duties in the middle of a game and personally taking over that role. I'm not aware of Jimmy or Belichick doing that. You don't make a coach an NFL coordinator without the expectation there will be tough games for him to deal with, and without trusting him to handle adversity. And Garrett has to be smart enough to know that being 5-6 years removed from calling plays himself he was not in the best position to take over the duties mid game anyway.

He wouldn't relieve him of his duties, just have some input as to the flow and pace of the game. Young coordinators get excited and nervous, a HC should pull the reigns and provide some guidance. That's all.

 

[OmerV]

In all seriousness, didn't Garrett look out of it last night? I really felt bad for him.

He looked very serious and stern, but I don't see that he looked "out of it". He's actually looked the same in the previous games this year, at least until the lead became comfortable.

 

[Batman1980]

Garrett knows enough games like last night that we should win and he will be bagging groceries at Wal-Mart next year.

 

[GenoT]

..Did you watch Pat/Bill game yesterday? Pats being as creative as they are with Daniels. The Bills made them look avg, with 9 punts and 1 TD. Im just saying, sometimes yer number is called and your just not ready for it.

It’s a cruel game...

 

[Batman1980]

Pats are down to a stable of runningbacks and 2 good receivers with a million year old QB. Results weren't that surprising.

 

[kevm3]

So, execution by the players has nothing to do with it?

We see the OC and QB up against a real team and the HC gets the blame? Some are actually blaming him for the offense last night? So what do you think happened, the Joneses got tired of seeing success and told Garrett to stop Moore and his antics?

At what point do posters consider their lofty opinions were based on the really bad teams that they played with MIA and WAS fighting for the top pick? They played a tough team last night in their stadium and the Saints defense is better this year and they stuffed the Cowboys #1 weapon and that's the HC's fault?

I am not a Garrett fan but that was a team loss last night against a team on the same level with the Cowboys. If that game is played in Dallas, maybe that's reversed but those fans had been ready for that game for quite some time and their players feed off the energy created by their fans. Good teams lose there all the time.

So it has been 10 years of the players 'not executing', despite us completely overturning the roster?
Yes, it's the HC's fault that we couldn't come up with a gameplan to adjust to their defense and it's the HC's fault that we didn't stuff their backup qb. Somehow they can stop the league's rushing champ for the past few years, but we couldn't stuff their rb. HC's should hold ultimate accountability since they are essentially the ceo of the team. The difference between a Garrett and a Bellichick is if Bellichick sees his coordinates not doing their job properly, he can step in and direct things on his own, whereas we get MORE successful the more we take away from Garrett's plate. Why does everyone else have to be perfect, but Garrett doesn't have to step his game up?

If the players aren't executing, then it's up to the HC to provide discipline to make sure there are repercussions for making critical mistakes. Under Jimmy Johnson, players were scared of not executing. Is there any such discipline here?

If this was a one year or even two year problem, then I could say it is maybe the player's or some coordinators fault, but this is nearly 10 years of the SAME results.

 

[links18]

So, he has nothing to do with the offense when it is good, but he is controlling the offense when it isn't so good … that viewpoint has agenda written all over it.

No, its based on an analysis of history. The offense the first three games this season were markedly different than the approach in most of previous seasons, which was different from last night. What happened? Linehan has left the building. Who is left?

 

[OmerV]

He wouldn't relieve him of his duties, just have some input as to the flow and pace of the game. Young coordinators get excited and nervous, a HC should pull the reigns and provide some guidance. That's all.

You wrote these words …

"a good HC would take over playcalling ...", so can we at least agree that doesn't make sense?

You also said if he didn't take over playcalling, he should at least dictate the pace. If that's what we are talking about, I have no problem with that, although I don't know that it would be accurate to call that "taking over the game". To me, that is better described as an adjustment. Seemed to me the pace actually did pick up the second half - the announcers even talked about it a lot. Getting to the line of scrimmage quickly, sometimes going no huddle, getting passes off more quickly ... so apparently there was an adjustment made. We just don't know if that was Moore making the decision alone, or if it came with some input from Garrett. I'm not really sure pace was the biggest issue anyway. There seemed to be more of a problem with execution, along with penalties and two key fumbles.

 

[reddyuta]

Garrett will always be chicken hearted,he doesnt have the cajones to coach for the Cowboys.

 

[jsb357]

I don't feel sorry for Captain Sobel types.

Garrett could play that part to perfection...

 

[OmerV]

No, its based on an analysis of history. The offense the first three games this season were markedly different than the approach in most of previous seasons, which was different from last night. What happened? Linehan has left the building. Who is left?

You mean like the throws downfield to Witten and Jarwin? You think those came from Garrett?

Besides, how do you know Moore didn't tailor a different game plan to this opponent? Or, how do you know Moore didn't call plays differently based on the opposing defense getting more pressure on the QB than in previous games? And how would your viewpoint be different if the running game was more successful? Does Moore call the runs where Zeke runs for 8-12 yards, and Garrett calls the runs that go for 1-2 yards?

The most likely thing is Moore was in charge of the game plan just as he had been the first 3 games, but the Saints played much better defense than we had faced the first 3 games, and we (Moore, Dak, the O-Line, Zeke …) didn't handle it as well.

 

[Doomsday101]

Why hasn't Garrett's most stubborn defender, Idgit, made an appearance yet?

Again you guys will not give him credit for wins but throw a hissy fit and blame him on a single loss?. Fine this loss was on Garrett he is the HC but guess what the wins are his as well and just because some fans pick and choose to give no credit yet all blame does not mean a damn thing. Fact is people have been waiting for a loss so they could throw their little fits, enjoy

 

[OmerV]

Garrett will always be chicken hearted,he doesnt have the cajones to coach for the Cowboys.

He went for it on 4th and 1 late in the 2nd quarter on the Cowboys end of the field. That seemed pretty ballsy to me.

Look, Garrett is not a great coach - not a great tactician or strategist, but for some reason it seems important to people to fabricate character flaws to justify their thoughts about Garrett. Why is that? It's not necessary. A person doesn't have to find some reason to dislike a coach personally to want him replaced.

 

[dfense]

He looked like a neutered cat on the sideline. Every time they showed him, he had a blank look on his face. I guess Jerry has taken all of his authority. He wore a headset, but I never saw him talking to anyone. He yelled at the refs a couple of times, that about all I saw him do. It would be nice to have a real head coach that can take over a game when he needs to.

So you're saying a more animated coach will get them over the hump. ok.

 

[Ranching]

So you're saying a more animated coach will get them over the hump. ok.

LOL... he wasn't his clappy self yesterday..