Run Defense | True NT

[Brooksey]

 

[Verdict]

I asked you a very specific question.

I asked about the DT Collins.

I did not ask about LVE.

I'll repeat the question.

Why was Collins outside the right hash after initially being between the hashes where the RB ended up going?

A: Collins took himself outside off the snap.

B: Collins was overpowered off the snap and driven to the outside by OLinemen.

I thought I answered it. I said he vacated the area. He wasn’t washed out on that particular play.

 

[xwalker]

I thought I answered it. I said he vacated the area. He wasn’t washed out on that particular play.

OK.

I just want to establish the issues related to the DL then we can come back to how it relates to the LBs.

"Collins vacated the area" means that Collins took himself out of the middle area of the field.

He was not driven out by the OL.

It would not matter if Collins was the biggest & strongest DL in history if he takes himself out that area of the field.

It was the scheme that caused Collins to be outside the hashes when the run went back inside the hashes.

It was not related to the physical ability of Collins.

Collins has assignments within the scheme and on this play those assignments took him out of the middle of the field.

Note:
Marinelli is at fault with either answer that I suggested from the previous post.

The difference is whether it's the players (DTs) the Cowboys are acquiring or the scheme.

The possible answers that I had suggested:
A: Collins took himself outside off the snap.

B: Collins was overpowered off the snap and driven to the outside by OLinemen

 

[Verdict]

OK.

I just want to establish the issues related to the DL then we can come back to how it relates to the LBs.

"Collins vacated the area" means that Collins took himself out of the middle area of the field.

He was not driven out by the OL.

It would not matter if Collins was the biggest & strongest DL in history if he takes himself out that area of the field.

It was the scheme that caused Collins to be outside the hashes when the run went back inside the hashes.

It was not related to the physical ability of Collins.

Collins has assignments within the scheme and on this play those assignments took him out of the middle of the field.

Note:
Marinelli is at fault with either answer that I suggested from the previous post.

The difference is whether it's the players (DTs) the Cowboys are acquiring or the scheme.

The possible answers that I had suggested:
A: Collins took himself outside off the snap.

B: Collins was overpowered off the snap and driven to the outside by OLinemen

I agree wholeheartedly that the scheme is an issue. Marinelli is an absolute idiot.

I believe it is BOTH scheme and poor DT play.

 

[Verdict]

OK.

I just want to establish the issues related to the DL then we can come back to how it relates to the LBs.

"Collins vacated the area" means that Collins took himself out of the middle area of the field.

He was not driven out by the OL.

It would not matter if Collins was the biggest & strongest DL in history if he takes himself out that area of the field.

It was the scheme that caused Collins to be outside the hashes when the run went back inside the hashes.

It was not related to the physical ability of Collins.

Collins has assignments within the scheme and on this play those assignments took him out of the middle of the field.

Note:
Marinelli is at fault with either answer that I suggested from the previous post.

The difference is whether it's the players (DTs) the Cowboys are acquiring or the scheme.

The possible answers that I had suggested:
A: Collins took himself outside off the snap.

B: Collins was overpowered off the snap and driven to the outside by OLinemen

What’s your theory on the linebacker play? I don’t think it’s a lack of ability. I think the linebackers are having to play super aggressively because of poor scheme/poor play by the front four.

 

[buybuydandavis]

I was hoping @xwalker would come up with a another fairytale thread about how the DTs aren’t the issue with the run defense and they aren’t totally getting manhandled.

THE NUMBER ONE ISSUE WITH RUN DEFENSE IS NOT HAVING A NT THAT CAN TAKE ON COMBO BLOCK/DOWN BLOCK .

Our starting 1T, only true 1T, Woods, has not been playing.

 

[DuncanIso]

I was hoping @xwalker would come up with a another fairytale thread about how the DTs aren’t the issue with the run defense and they aren’t totally getting manhandled.

THE NUMBER ONE ISSUE WITH RUN DEFENSE IS NOT HAVING A NT THAT CAN TAKE ON COMBO BLOCK/DOWN BLOCK .

Jenkins just exposed the whole DL and took them to the wood shed. If Jerry wants to win meaningful games in the post-season or even make it to the playoffs he will need to make a trade for a true NT like Star Louteleli.

good post!

 

[buybuydandavis]

Good video.

Ironically, they're getting beat by the same misdirection tricks Moore is introducing to our offense.

 

[CF74]

1-Tech but yes we need one...

 

[xwalker]

Good video.

Ironically, they're getting beat by the same misdirection tricks Moore is introducing to our offense.

Except the Cowboys OL coaching/scheme does not seem to take advantage of Moore's play design/calling.

Being a very young first time OC, my guess is that Moore is not involved with the OL blocking scheme/details the way a veteran OC would be involved.

The Rams OL coach was not a genius until he went to work under McVay as the Head Coach and Offensive Scheme guru.


If motion/mis-direction just gets 1 or 2 defenders into a position that helps the blockers then it has been successful.

Example
Fake a zone run outside left then cut back inside and use motion and/or the threat of misdirection to hold the backside defenders (primarily the backside LB).

The run action towards the outside moves the LB on that side over and the motion/misdirection holds the backside LB & DE.

The timing and angles for the blockers becomes much much easier to execute.

 

[xwalker]

What’s your theory on the linebacker play? I don’t think it’s a lack of ability. I think the linebackers are having to play super aggressively because of poor scheme/poor play by the front four.

When the DT takes himself out of the play due to assignments, the margin for error for LBs becomes zero.

If the LBs recognize plays instantly they can make the play but no LB will make the perfect decision every time.

Technically, if the LB makes the wrong decision, he is at fault.

The DT played his assignment and is not technically at fault.

It was the scheme that took the DT outside the hash marks.

It was the scheme that make the margin of error for Vander Esch basically zero.

They have plenty of talent at both LB and DT. Belichick could win Super Bowls with the Cowboys defensive roster.

 

[HungryLion]

When the DT takes himself out of the play due to assignments, the margin for error for LBs becomes zero.

If the LBs recognize plays instantly they can make the play but no LB will make the perfect decision every time.

Technically, if the LB makes the wrong decision, he is at fault.

The DT played his assignment and is not technically at fault.

It was the scheme that took the DT outside the hash marks.

It was the scheme that make the margin of error for Vander Esch basically zero.

They have plenty of talent at both LB and DT. Belichick could win Super Bowls with the Cowboys defensive roster.

So our coaching is subpar.

Not shocked at all.

 

[beware_d-ware]

This.

I think it's more of a LB problem than it is a DT problem.

Yep. Jaylon and LVE are both routinely missing open-field tackles that they nailed in 2018, and I can't tell you why.

 

[Cowboysheelsreds053]

Dallas should trade a mid-round pick for a NT.

Snacks anyone?

 

[Cowboysheelsreds053]

Yep. Jaylon and LVE are both routinely missing open-field tackles that they nailed in 2018, and I can't tell you why.

Your purple royal badness himself anyone? Not talking about Prince either.

 

[TheDuke]

Dallas should trade a mid-round pick for a NT.

Which NT should they trade for?

 

[xwalker]

I was hoping @xwalker would come up with a another fairytale thread about how the DTs aren’t the issue with the run defense and they aren’t totally getting manhandled.

THE NUMBER ONE ISSUE WITH RUN DEFENSE IS NOT HAVING A NT THAT CAN TAKE ON COMBO BLOCK/DOWN BLOCK .

Jenkins just exposed the whole DL and took them to the wood shed. If Jerry wants to win meaningful games in the post-season or even make it to the playoffs he will need to make a trade for a true NT like Star Louteleli.

The guy doing that video has no idea what he is talking about.

Star did NOT blow up the Center and drive him into the backfield.

It's a zone run and Star flows down the line line with the Center.

The LG was assigned to block Kuechly but couldn't get over in time to make the block.

The DL #99 beats the LT to the inside not giving the RB and option. Kuechly is in one gap and #99 is in the other gap.

Star occupied 1 blocker. The Cowboys DTs can occupy one blocker.


On the 2nd play he reviewed, the OG is not going to help the OT on a pass rusher going wide on the outside.

The only possible way the RG could help on the outside pass rusher would be by the RG turning his back to the line of scrimmage. That's not going to happen on a play when they're looked for some type of blitz. It rarely happens anyway.

If the OG helps the OT on a pass rush it would be to keep the pass rusher from going inside of the OT.

It was just a standard play with the 1-tech getting a double team. The Cowboys 1-tech normally get a double team.

The LG comes over looking to see if #29 or someone was going to come on a blitz and with nobody to block just moves over next to the Center.


The guy made a good effort to make video but his analysis was completely wrong. It could not be more wrong if he tried.

 

[quickccc]

This.

I think it's more of a LB problem than it is a DT problem.

I see it as BOTH a DT and LB player issue, but I also see it as a scheme issue, imo.

frankly I don't like having schemes where it's dependent on slanting DL off blocks rather than taking them head on, ( I just heard Jerry reinterate explanation on this run scheme per radio interview)

but the problems are not just the interior DT, we also are having LBs that are getting confused by misdirection and also " guessing and mis-guessing " into wrong gaps and getting caught up in traffic.
It is simply a HUGE difference between how Jaylon is playing middle LB, vs the way Sean Lee (in his prime/healthier) days as a middle LB. ..both vs run and pass.

Jaylon for one is too up and down with mis-guessing these gap assignments, and being fooled by misdirection.
In the Saints game, his instincts was on enough (actually overall one of his better games as Cowboy) ..and then games like this GB game, where his instincts are off.

and some of LVE's problems didn't even involve the DTs and interior gaps, as he even whiffed tackles on the bounce-outside runs and lost containment both vs run and pass, on more than one occasion.
and that had nothing to do with the DTs.

- I've said several times over, the better teams that best run no huddles and misdirection tend to run this defensive unit silly and give them the most fits.

yes, there are issues with these LBs, but now that being said, if we had the stout take-on DT interiors inside that OG/C cannot be influence, or be moved off blocks, ..that would still
opens up some opportunities for the flowing LBs, and cover some flaws to a certain point. and these LBs are not impeded on constantly 2nd level blocking with pulling OGs and centers.

and so much for this Fifth-ranked run defense that has some many misled last year ...

 

[vicjagger]

NT? I thought we were running a 4-3.

 

[Macnalty]

This.

I think it's more of a LB problem than it is a DT problem.

I think it is both, a poor dline is affecting the LB's and not exposing their talent. A defensive lineman that is above average will change the complexion of the defense in a very positive way. IMO A Woods is average at best, a value addition when we really need a talent acquisition. We are close to having it our way so I am not totally disheartened. We were misinformed about M Collins coming into his own and instead his weakness has been exploited.