I am trying to figure Dak out instead of bashing him

Brax

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So you're saying that Dak doesn't, or didn't, try to be better on his own?

You don't know that, nobody does, and from what his teammates say about Dak's work ethic it's not supported by any evidence.

I had no competiti


He's as good as Trent Dilfer, or Brad Johnson, or Joe Flacco (overall, not talking playoff runs like Flacco). Certainly physically he's far better than Peyton Manning was in his last SB win. He's good enough to win a Super Bowl IF he doesn't have to be Brady, or Rodgers, or Brees....
I am not and did not say that , Dak is said to have great work ethic, but not having competition puts ones job in a different light , Dak knows he has Jerry by the short hairs hence the $40 mill a year.
 

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the people who think if DeMarcus Ware works out with a player it will make that player be awesome.

You bought into the KM, Jon Kitna hype a bit much.

Dak is a simple Qb, he needs to run a bit, he has Will, he needs plays that fit his strengths.

Now does that mean can Dallas do it, or refuses to do it. personally i feel it should go like this, if you cant work around Dak because Dak cant do it, than get rid of him. If you keep him, its on you to make him a NFL Qb. this isnt hard.

Heres a tip, if Dallas can make it harder for themselves, they will do everything in their power to do so.
 

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You are insane. That ball hit Cooper in the hands. He needs to catch that. I watch the games on a 60" HD TV so I see it all.

I pulled up the play on my computer, the pass was behind Cooper by a foot or more, he had to reach back for the ball.

But you believe what you want, even the announcers on the game said the pass was behind him, but if you didn't see it that way, we'll just have to agree to disagree..
 

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I am not and did not say that , Dak is said to have great work ethic, but not having competition puts ones job in a different light , Dak knows he has Jerry by the short hairs hence the $40 mill a year.

Maybe it does, but my point remains, we don't know for sure Dak would have done better with "competition", but if so, who would you think Dallas could have gotten to "push" Dak?
 

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Dak is not the problem, his incessantly dumb fan boys are.

They want Dak to be elite; they can’t settle for him being just good.

I think we can win with Dak; it’s been demonstrated that we can.

Dak is not the type of QB that’s going to put the team on his and win with primarily his arm. You get diminishing returns the more you make him throw. If you’re going to win with Dak the other facets of your team have to be special.

We don’t have that.

Our linebackers have struggled making plays against the run; our secondary does not create turnovers; our kicking game is suspect.
 

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I'm no Dak hater but you're seeing what you want to see. If Dak hits him in stride, it's a TD. The ball was clearly thrown behind him.

I said the ball was behind him. Many times. Still NFL WRs need to catch those balls. Especially "elite" WRs playing for a big contract.
 

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I think it was more of the cowboys doing a number on the bad teams than the saints doing a number on the cowboys.

For all we know the cowboys probably start out 0-2 had the first two games been NO and GB!

Another way to look at it was well.
 

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we all want ready made, hit the jackpot kind of player, but that's far and few in between. we have not invested much in this position outside of spending the 4th round pick (and subsequently a 6th round pick). so Patience is required. I am just glad we didn't trade up and draft Paxton Lynch. that would have been a total disaster.....

and I don't disagree with you, there are certain things he may not get, like throwing angles, etc. but surrounded with the right talent, he can succeed and thus its critical for us to give him the right contract not to handicap us from signing the right players around him.

Do you have 20 plus years more of required patience!
 

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Do you have 20 plus years more of required patience!
no, one more year...that's why I advocated this past summer, before you go handicap your salary cap, you have to be 100% sure, specially that much money and that important positions. the arrow is pointing up. he is got all the support he can use, players, coaching, etc.....its up to him to reach the high level expected...so this year, and then franchise him next year....if he proves it, then give him 40 mill, 42 mill...at that point its a few more dollars and it doesn't matter. but to give out 35 mill and end up not having the right guy, you are doomed.
 

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You are insane. That ball hit Cooper in the hands. He needs to catch that. I watch the games on a 60" HD TV so I see it all.
I can reach out, 3.5 ft from my body. unless the ball and my glove are Velcro...its tough to make the catch...specially with me going one way and the ball the opposite...

no Dak needs to make a better throw...quit blaming Cooper for the non catch....
 

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Here's my theory: name the last elite read/pass option quarterback? Don't say Russell Wilson because he's not a read/pass option quarterback.
Furthermore, please name me the last elite running quarterback? Cam Newton, some would say. But Cam is not a great passer. His legs opened up the passing game for him, and now that he's beat up, teams don't respect his passing.

Dak's problem is the same as Tebow's problem is the same as many RPO quarterbacks on the pro level. If you don't develop throwing from the pocket skills EARLY in your football maturation, it is EXTREMELY difficult to learn them at the pro level because you have to unlearn all of the muscle memory processes you cultivated through a life time of football, and that's hard to do. There is an extent to which you can learn. And not facing pressure, it will make you appear to have "mastered" staying in the pocket. But let the bullets start to fly then human psychology takes over. And the human brain is wired to revert to muscle memory in times of pressure. You do what you've trained to do. And some of these guys have been trained to run when in trouble from Pee Wee football, Pop Warner football, high school football, college football, etc. Now, when they get to the NFL, quarterback trainers and offensive coordinators try to rework what they've learned all their lives, and it's very difficult to do.

So, Dak's problem is basically inherent to how he has played most of his life. And now the Cowboys want him to do something differently, and that on the highest level of football.

Again, I remain optimistic because I like Dak. But I have my doubts he will change. I was pulling for Tim Tebow - and very few had the work ethic and the strength of will Tebow did. But if even HE couldn't do it with the best of trainers, including the man considered a quarterback guru, I don't know if Dak can either.

We may be stuck with a more mobile version of Alex Smith or Kirk Cousins. Shrug.
 

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I can reach out, 3.5 ft from my body. unless the ball and my glove are Velcro...its tough to make the catch...specially with me going one way and the ball the opposite...

no Dak needs to make a better throw...quit blaming Cooper for the non catch....

Exactly! Do you know how fast these guys are running? You're basically asking them to cohort their bodies at full speed to snag a pass behind them.
What made Montana great was not the fact that he had a strong arm or could throw it 80 yards down the field. Rather, he hit receivers in stride, and they rarely had to break speed. Jerry Rice ran 4.6 (I think) as a receiver, yet few defensive backs could catch him because Montana would hit him in stride, and he never had to break speed.
It's simple physics. Yet fans think physics doesn't factor into football. It does.
A 190lb defense back can not take down a 240lb running back straight on. He'll likely get injured or trucked. So the defensive back has to tackle at an angle. And you'll notice that most of them do just that - they tackle at an angle and go for the smallest or weakest part of the body, which are the legs and the ankles.
Physics.
 

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I can reach out, 3.5 ft from my body. unless the ball and my glove are Velcro...its tough to make the catch...specially with me going one way and the ball the opposite...

no Dak needs to make a better throw...quit blaming Cooper for the non catch....

You are constrained by your own mind. Don’t sell yourself short. Plus you are not an elite NFL WR so stop trying to get into the mind of one.
 
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