You Want Garrett Fired

[Whirlwin]

That's very true...I sometimes forget my place at the table and go off on the egotistical JWB maniac!

I love the response LOL

 

[Sydla]

The only thing I will say is that Jerry can be stubborn and even naive but he's not totally stupid. He knows his time on earth is limited and I have little doubt he wants to raise that trophy one more time. Now we can debate the methods he might use to try to get that trophy but I think even he knows time is running out on Garrett.

I might be overreading the tea leaves but he was pretty vocal this offseason about the roster, how it was SB caliber, etc. Moreso than in previous years. I think even Jerry has realized this train has to reach a destination at some point, and that it can't go on forever.

I seriously doubt that if this team does not make the playoffs, Garrett is done. Partly because Garrett has no contract. It expires at year end. I think it's easier to bring back and justify a coach when that coach is under a current contract. But how in the world do you justify signing a coach to a big contract extension in a season where the owner called them ready for a SB run? You really can't. Even Jerry can't at that point.

Now purgatory is if Garrett squeaks into the playoffs and they lose early again. Oh boy..........................

 

[DallasEast]

LMAO at a Big 12 coaching staff coming into the NFL. Hell, Bama and Clemson's would struggle let alone a conference that doesn't play defense.

There is definitely a difference motivating a kid on scholarship and a multimillionaire, who will only play lights out if the coach does not yell and hurt his feelings. NFL coaching requires its own degree of expertise and tact.

 

[Silver N Blue]

You want him fired. That is absolutely reasonable. Garrett has had nine years to produce a Super Bowl appearance or victory.

You know Garrett will get fired due to a condition you think is reasonable. Unfortunately, both your mind and Jerry Jones' mind are wired differently.

Jerry Jones fired Jimmy Johnson, during the offseason, three months after his franchise won a second consecutive Super Bowl. In contrast, Jerry Jones has retained Jason Garrett after three consecutive .500 seasons, 2015 ( ), and watching losses it looked like even he wanted to throw up.

Again, you want Garrett fired. Do you really know the person who will do the actual firing? You know. It is the same guy who has not kicked Garrett to the curb every occasion you declared "I know THIS time Jerruh has seen enough!!!!!!!" umpteen times during the past nine years.

This is the guy who will hand Garrett his eventual pink slip:

Setting aside a few moments to finally consider what is truly going on behind those Johnnie Walker Blue Label eyes may provide a missing clue why you continually get Garrett's termination date wrong. Bonus clue: the guy seen above is not the person you see in the mirror every day. Which is a good thing. Just look at that face. Poor Gene. She partly owns a $250 million dollar yacht to muddle through that daily migraine though.

I know it won't happen but not having a sell out would be telling.

 

[PA Cowboy Fan]

Freddie Kitchens will be available soon. He's the kind of coach Jerry would get.

 

[mrmojo]

Freddie Kitchens will be available soon. He's the kind of coach Jerry would get.

May as well screw with everyone's mind and bring in Marvin Lewis.

 

[yimyammer]

First of all Jerry did not fire Jimmy. I don't know why people keep repeating that.

because its true, he did

from the horse *** 'es mouth:

 

[DallasEast]

I know it won't happen but not having a sell out would be telling.

I agree but Jerry Jones remains the one common denominator. Some people believe Jones driven completely by greed and makes all decisions based on greed. I disagree. Jones' type of personality makes him do the things he has always done, well-before he bought the team. Non sellouts run against the grain of a successful businessman like Jones but doing what he sees as the best way of getting the public to buy into his product while accomplishing his own goals is what really drives him.

 

[Stash]

You want him fired. That is absolutely reasonable. Garrett has had nine years to produce a Super Bowl appearance or victory.

You know Garrett will get fired due to a condition you think is reasonable. Unfortunately, both your mind and Jerry Jones' mind are wired differently.

Jerry Jones fired Jimmy Johnson, during the offseason, three months after his franchise won a second consecutive Super Bowl. In contrast, Jerry Jones has retained Jason Garrett after three consecutive .500 seasons, 2015 ( ), and watching losses it looked like even he wanted to throw up.

Again, you want Garrett fired. Do you really know the person who will do the actual firing? You know. It is the same guy who has not kicked Garrett to the curb every occasion you declared "I know THIS time Jerruh has seen enough!!!!!!!" umpteen times during the past nine years.

This is the guy who will hand Garrett his eventual pink slip:

Setting aside a few moments to finally consider what is truly going on behind those Johnnie Walker Blue Label eyes may provide a missing clue why you continually get Garrett's termination date wrong. Bonus clue: the guy seen above is not the person you see in the mirror every day. Which is a good thing. Just look at that face. Poor Gene. She partly owns a $250 million dollar yacht to muddle through that daily migraine though.

"Everything comes to he who waits..."

 

[Whirlwin]

because its true, he did

from the horse *** 'es mouth:

It's not true. It was a mutual agreement of course he had to announce it.

 

[Ron12]

I will let the season play out then decide on JG !

 

[PA Cowboy Fan]

I will let the season play out then decide on JG !

I will let the season play out then fire JG

I made my mind up on Garrett years ago.

 

[CouchCoach]

According to Johnson's side of it, it was more of a divorce than firing, complete with a settlement. Neither of the men wanted to work together any longer and Booger's ego needs were crowding Johnson's.

Two things happened that started that process and the night that the coaching staff wouldn't show Booger some love was the straw but Booger had discovered that Johnson was talking behind his back to JAX and saw that as disloyalty because Booger had been advised against hiring a college coach and even went against his mentor, Crazy Al.

I do not think Booger believes he gets enough credit for hiring Johnson and I agree with him. He was the owner and could have put the hammer down on anything Johnson wanted to do but he gave him free reign and signed the checks.

 

[nate dizzle]

nate, name all of the HC's, not named Parcells, that have cleaned house with the coaching staff and even he kept Zimmer. From socks to jocks includes all coaches.

You might be right...I'm just sharing my gut feeling on it. I really don't see any of our coordinators sticking if a new HC comes in.

 

[Dallasfann]

If anyone wants a good laugh. This thread was started almost exactly a year ago when we were 3-5 and about to go play the Philadelphia Eagles on Sunday night football.

https://cowboyszone.com/threads/esp...es-on-line-after-another-cowboys-loss.419417/

Reminder: We are currently 3-3 and in 1st place in the NFC East.

 

[Fletch]

Damn. That loss against the Jets really has us losing our minds and almost losing all capable thoughts and common sense. Hope all is well, @DallasEast . Relax and enjoy the tank .

What tank? We pull this **** together and go on a run!

 

[Ron12]

I will let the season play out then fire JG

I made my mind up on Garrett years ago.

I do believe Garrett has to do more then just make the playoff's don't get me wrong He has been here long enough don't see Him getting any smarter !

 

[yimyammer]

It's not true. It was a mutual agreement of course he had to announce it.

lol, what a strange thing to be in denial about, you guys are hilarious

Jerry fired Jimmy ainec

We can equivocate all we want about how Jimmy was planning on leaving, Jimmy goaded jeri into firing him, Jimmy and jeri weren’t getting along, etc, etc, etc but the bottom line is jeri fired him and gave Jimmy 2 million to leave. The straw that broke Jeri’s back was the non-toast where jeri tried to toast a table of people jeri had fired (Bob Ackles, Brenda Bushnell, etc) that Jimmy was also at. Jeri being his typical tone deaf, self absorbed, insecure a-hole self got his panties in a bunch when they didn't smooch his butt and gave a tepid response to his drunken toast.

That was the final draw for jeri and he immediately starts talking to various people including reporters about firing Jimmy. He may have sobered up by the time he spoke to Jimmy face to face and offered some kind of BS untenable offer for Jimmy to remain coach, but that wasn't true because he had already called Switzer asking him if he wanted the job and to start considering it. Jeri wanted the satisfaction of firing Jimmy. Jeri was seething and wanted to wake Jimmy up in the middle of the night, jerk him out of bed and fire him on the spot. Jeri was bitter and wanted revenge.

I don't think Jimmy was going to hang around much longer but I believe he was definitely planning to return for an attempt at a 3-peat as evidenced by his comments to Deon during Super Bowl 28 and comments where he didn't think there was any way jeri would fire a 2 time Super Bowl winning coach:



No doubt Jimmy was on his last days in Dallas as he had grown sick and tired of Jeri's meddling and clamoring for credit:



jeri talking out of his backside here and couldn't abide by his own philosophy:



I believe there were growing tensions between the two and the end was drawing near since both were ready to be done with each other.

The "non-toast" was the final draw that lit the fire which caused jeri to fire Jimmy (you can call it a nuanced firing with a caveat but it was still a firing imo)

I believe jeri was pissed and wanted the satisfaction of firing jimmy face to face and did in fact do so (I'm admittedly speculating since I wasn't in there). Jeri may have made Jimmy an offer that he knew Jimmy would never accept to try to soften the blow and give Jimmy a measure of face saving in the public eye. But in reality, jeri only did this to save his own face, not Jimmys, because jeri was so pissed he didn't give two ***** about how Jimmy was perceived and realized he was the one that was going to take the PR hit.

So he paid Jimmy 2 million to leave (Jimmy had a ten year contract and you don't get 2 million when you break your contract and quit). Jimmy went along with it publicly in exchange for the 2 mill but also because I think Jimmy was hurt by the firing and it was a blow to his ego so it not being called a firing is more palatable even if deep down he knew he had just been fired.

Yes, he hadn't stayed long in all his venues but he was the one that got to make the choice to leave in all his previous stops. IIRC, he had never been fired so its a face saving measure to tell the world ex post facto he was going to quit anyway (I said something similar when my junior high girl friend broke up with me). Jimmy was hurt by it and I think it still stings him a little to this day.

So you can call it a "nuanced firing", a "firing with Asterisks" or just call it what it was: A firing triggered by a drunken owners feelings and pride being hurt over an employee who who didn't show him the respect he felt he deserved and because that employee would not also give him credit for things jeri didn't deserve.

That's my take based on living in Dallas while everything went down, following it obsessively and reading several books on the issue with first hand accounts from different sources of the toast incident and subsequent statements by jeri saying he was going to fire Jimmy.

Book Sources:

#1: The Water Boy: From the Sidelines to the Owner's Box: Inside the CFL, the XFL, and the NFL by Bob Ackles

#2: King of The Cowboys: The Life & Times of Jerry Jones by Jim Dent

#3: Greatest Team Ever: The Dallas Cowboys Dynasty of the 1990’s by Ron St Angelo & Norm Hitzges


Screenshots from book #1:

Screenshots from Book #2

 

[gjkoeppen]

You want him fired. That is absolutely reasonable. Garrett has had nine years to produce a Super Bowl appearance or victory.

You know Garrett will get fired due to a condition you think is reasonable. Unfortunately, both your mind and Jerry Jones' mind are wired differently.

Jerry Jones fired Jimmy Johnson, during the offseason, three months after his franchise won a second consecutive Super Bowl. In contrast, Jerry Jones has retained Jason Garrett after three consecutive .500 seasons, 2015 ( ), and watching losses it looked like even he wanted to throw up.

Again, you want Garrett fired. Do you really know the person who will do the actual firing? You know. It is the same guy who has not kicked Garrett to the curb every occasion you declared "I know THIS time Jerruh has seen enough!!!!!!!" umpteen times during the past nine years.

This is the guy who will hand Garrett his eventual pink slip:


Setting aside a few moments to finally consider what is truly going on behind those Johnnie Walker Blue Label eyes may provide a missing clue why you continually get Garrett's termination date wrong. Bonus clue: the guy seen above is not the person you see in the mirror every day. Which is a good thing. Just look at that face. Poor Gene. She partly owns a $250 million dollar yacht to muddle through that daily migraine though.

Here's what you missed in your rant. One thing Johnson did that Garrett has not done is Johnson in an interview the week leading up to Super Bowl XXVIII when asked about all the decisions all season getting to the Super Bowl he said he made all of the decisions and when pressed further about Jones Johnson said he handled Jones. Then the night before the Super Bowl a reporter asked Jones about that and this is when Jones said with the talent he gave Johnson to work with that there are a lot of coaches like Switzer who he knew would bug Johnson.. After that game they both mutually agreed that it was time for Johnson to go. Johnson didn't like hearing that Switzer could and then later did succeed him and Jones did like that Johnson head got so big that he started to think he as coach and GM. During the pregame of Super Bowl XLV in Dallas they had a round table with Aikman, Emmitt, Irvin, The Moose, Jones and Johnson and Johnson finally admitted in front of millions of people that he didn't have anywhere near the power that most outside of the Cowboys thought he had and it was a constant thorn in his side that he had to go to Jones for things that he thought he should be able to do.
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[JW82]

Well we have seen over 20 years of what a non-contender looks like..so we know that when we see it. Time to try something else. Need a coach that can win in spite of Jerry, maybe he exists, maybe not, but Jason ain't him. That much we have more than enough proof of.