Drafting a first round QB

[csirl]

If that’s your belief, than so be it. I would strongly disagree with that assessment.

I think 20 of the 29 are similar or better.

Filter out Lynch and Tebow (Elway inspired).

Then filter out Johnny M and RG3 as atypical QBs who play a particular system Dallas isnt geared up for

So you really have 20 out of 25 - 80%.

I like those odds.

 

[Philmonroe]

No, you just took the thread as being that way due to your preconceived notions about my opinion of Dak. Simple as that.

the post is easily understandable when I literally say

“this thread is not intended to be a debate over how good Dak ultimately is. I just want to explore the history of drafting QB’s in the first round and see how often QB’s selected in the first round end up being better than Dak has been thus far. ”

It’s not about being afraid. As if anyone is afraid of what happens with a football team.

also, if you’re just going to insult the post by calling it jibba jabba that’s ultimately meaningless and unproductive. So I’m not going to respond any further.

No it took that way because that's the way the long winded post is constructed and if we asked people that had nothing to do with the Cowboys they'd agree too. Spare me the I posted this so it can't be this bs like it still can't be something else because you said its not. If you took the afraid part that literal you're truly stupid and I hope you're not that stupid. I hope and will assume you're just trying to be funny. You responded twice to cry like a baby on some I'm not going to respond because you said jibba Jabba. How old are you sounding like this? I know kids in the single digits that don't go into victim mode as quick. Lastly end of the day nobody cares if you don't respond or not. Its a messageboard buddy get over your overinflated ego self.

 

[John813]

It shows why teams are now paying 30 mil to Quarterbacks. To find an elite one isn't easy and one may only pop up every 5 or so years. Even finding a very good one can be tough, and not every draft even has decent QB's.

This upcoming draft does have more potential than previous ones, but right now it's just potential.

Tua may be able to read defenses and deliver accurate passes, but he also has two 1st round receivers, including the next Julio/Cooper guy in in Jeudy. He won't have that in Miami(god bless).

No one expected Mahomes to turn out like he did. He showed arm talent in college, but so did Jeff George.

It's a huge crapshoot. You got scheme hurdles and talent hurdles between CFB and the NFL and you got off the field stuff to watch out for. Off the field I'm talking about the player wanting to continue to strive to be great and not become a celebrity or is content at where he's at. Like Paxton Lynch playing video games over studying the playbook type of crap.

 

[HungryLion]

I think 20 of the 29 are similar or better.

Filter out Lynch and Tebow (Elway inspired).

Then filter out Johnny M and RG3 as atypical QBs who play a particular system Dallas isnt geared up for

So you really have 20 out of 25 - 80%.

I like those odds.

yeah I totally disagree. That’s fine.

 

[HungryLion]

No it took that way because that's the way the long winded post is constructed and if we asked people that had nothing to do with the Cowboys they'd agree too. Spare me the I posted this so it can't be this bs like it still can't be something else because you said its not. If you took the afraid part that literal you're truly stupid and I hope you're not that stupid. I hope and will assume you're just trying to be funny. You responded twice to cry like a baby on some I'm not going to respond because you said jibba Jabba. How old are you sounding like this? I know kids in the single digits that don't go into victim mode as quick. Lastly end of the day nobody cares if you don't respond or not. Its a messageboard buddy get over your overinflated ego self.

it’s not about victim mode Phil. It’s about, people don’t want to have a conversation with somebody who is just going to dismiss what they’re saying as jibba jabba. That’s basic social interaction etiquette. If you are going to say I’m just using jibba jabba, then I’m just going to tell you that it’s pointless to discuss it then because you aren’t taking what I have to say seriously. That doesn’t make me a victim. It makes me someone that doesn’t want to talk to you about the topic, because you’re just being dismissive about it. So what’s the point in discussing it further if you’re just going to dismiss the points being made?

it’s pointless.

now if your use of jibba jabba is just a social difference or misunderstanding. Then that’s fine. But where I’m from, if somebody tells somebody what they’re saying is jibba jabba, it’s meant to say that they’re not making sense and that they’re just nonsensicallly talking. And if somebody tells me that, then I’m not going to discuss it further with them because this topic is one i actually do want to discuss and one that does make sense.

 

[Jipper]

Let’s all think back to the early 2000s when we went through qbs like Cleveland has been doing....would you rather have that or Dak ....I’ll take dak all day

 

[HungryLion]

It shows why teams are now paying 30 mil to Quarterbacks. To find an elite one isn't easy and one may only pop up every 5 or so years. Even finding a very good one can be tough, and not every draft even has decent QB's.

This upcoming draft does have more potential than previous ones, but right now it's just potential.

Tua may be able to read defenses and deliver accurate passes, but he also has two 1st round receivers, including the next Julio/Cooper guy in in Jeudy. He won't have that in Miami(god bless).

No one expected Mahomes to turn out like he did. He showed arm talent in college, but so did Jeff George.

It's a huge crapshoot. You got scheme hurdles and talent hurdles between CFB and the NFL and you got off the field stuff to watch out for. Off the field I'm talking about the player wanting to continue to strive to be great and not become a celebrity or is content at where he's at. Like Paxton Lynch playing video games over studying the playbook type of crap.

You’re right A big piece definitely comes down to the prospects themselves.

some of the prospects taken were looked at as almost can’t miss kind of guys. For instance, people knew Luck was going to be a beast in the NFL. And he was, until injuries ended his career.

some of the other prospects, probably shouldn’t have even went in the first, but they did because there’s always teams who are desperate to find “their guy”. Paxton Lynch? EJ manuel, Tim Tebow, Brady Quinn. Those guys shouldn’t have even been drafted in the first.

it also goes to show how taking a QB in the late first is risky business. Most of those prospects who really have a chance to be something special, were taken top 5.

I think Rodgers was the last QB to be taken later in the first who really ended up being something special. But that was what 13-14 years ago now? Doesn’t happen often.

hey if the Cowboys had a top pick in this draft and had a chance to take Tua. Go for it. I would be down.

if they are wanting to use a #23 pick on another QB who has a bunch of question marks..... that might not make sense to me.

 

[Aviano90]

Let's stay away from those Carson Wentz type duds.

 

[blueblood70]

As everyone knows there has been much debate over whether the Cowboys should extend Dak’s contract.

some believe the cowboys should let Dak walk and select a QB in the first round.

this thread is not intended to be a debate over how good Dak ultimately is. I just want to explore the history of drafting QB’s in the first round and see how often QB’s selected in the first round end up being better than Dak has been thus far.

I made a post on this previously in another thread a while back, but feel like it could be its own thread and is worth discussing more.

So, I am going to break down QB’s drafted in the first round from 2007 until 2017. That is 11 drafts total. I am not including QB’s from the two most recent drafts, because I feel it is too soon to make an accurate judgment on how good those QB’s are.

I am going to list every QB taken in the first round and also mark if they were top 5 or not.

2017-
Trubisky (top 5), Mahomes, Deshaun Watson.

2016- Goff (top 5), Wentz (top 5), Paxton Lynch

2015- Jameis Winston (top 5). Mariota (top 5).

2014- Blake Bortles (top 5), Manziel, Bridgewater

2013- Ej Manuel

2012- Luck (top 5), Griffin III (top 5), Tannehill, Weeden

2011- Cam Newton (top 5), Locker, Gabbert, Ponder

2010- Bradford (top 5), Tebow

2009- Stafford (top 5), Sanchez (top 5), Freeman

2008- Matt Ryan (top 5), Joe Flacco

2007- JaMarcus Russel (top 5), Brady Quinn


That is 29 total QB’s taken.

Now I realize that which of those QB’s is better than Dak and which ones aren’t, is open for some debate. I would list it like this:

QB’s better than Dak:
Mahomes, Deshaun Watson, Andrew Luck, Cam Newton, Matt Ryan

that is 5 of the last 29 that have been better than Dak.

QB’s in the same tier as Dak:
Goff, Wentz, Stafford, Flacco

That is 4 QB’s who are around the same tier as Dak overall.

Again, this is open for debate. But I think it’s a pretty fair list. There are a few you could argue if you want.


So of 29 QB’s taken, 5 have been clearly better. That is 17%

4 have been about the same as Dak. That is 14%

So you have a 17% chance of getting a QB better than Dak. And a 14% chance of getting one just as good.

That means you have a 69% chance of ending up with a QB that is not even as good as Dak has been.

Broken down further. 3 of the ones who have been better, were top 5 picks.

3 of the ones on the same level as Dak were top 5 picks.

15 of the 29 QB’s first round were drafted outside of the Top 5 picks. Only 3 of those 15 have been as good or better than Dak. That’s 20%

Only 20% of the QB’s drafted beyond top 5 has been as good or better than Dak.


What does this all mean?

In my opinion, what this means is, even though Dak is not an elite QB. Replacing him and getting an elite QB, or one better than him is FAR from a guaranteed thing. You have an 69% chance of drafting a QB who ends up not being even as good as Dak is.

The chances of getting a QB better than Dak plummets even further If you are taking one outside of the top 5. As we all know, high end QB prospects get taken very early in the draft.

So in my opinion, if the Cowboys do try and replace Dak with a first round QB. We have to remember that the chances are very good, that the QB won’t even be as good as Dak has been.

It’s not just about “let’s take a 1st round QB”. It has to be the RIGHT prospect.

We must also remember that to get a top 5 pick to have the best odds of landing a QB better than Dak. The Cowboys would have to either tank a season, or trade MULTIPLE first round picks, to move up into the top 5.

And even after all that, If that top 5 pick busts or isn’t any better than Dak. You have wasted a bunch of draft capital, and are no better off at the position than you currently are. Or even worse, your QB sucks and you have to draft another QB a few years later again, all the while having a team that can’t win.

I have said in the past, that I would not necessarily just be opposed to letting Dak walk. But as the history shows, replacing Dak could be much much more difficult than just throwing a first round pick at the QB position. There are a ton of QB’s taken high, who never amount to anything.

Most know this, its been discussed..be careful what you wish for in coaches and QBs as change isnt always a positive outlook right away..

the argument is dak worth 35mil? vs headaches of risking draft capital and time to start over at the most critical positions.

its tough one.. it equally going to be tough to go the Cousins route with FT when you have Amari to also sign..you cant make that an either or if you keep Dak he needs Amari..tough decisions coming this off season for sure

Keeping Dak isnt an issue for me , I like him but at what price is it a mistake? I know the market Bs talk is always brought up but this is the largest investment a team has and can we stay competitive paying an above average QB that much money and still keep players around him?

 

[shabazz]

I hope it doesn’t come to that. Honestly, I don’t want it to break down into a argument over how good Dak is or whatever.

I just wanted to have an honest look at what the odds of adequately replacing him really is.

As the post shows, the chances of landing an elite QB even with a first round QB, are pretty damn slim.

I have been critical of Dakota and as much as I would like to have a gunslinger I agree that the chances are slim of getting one any time soon

So, as I have been consistent about saying, if we keep a guy who is an average to slightly above average, I hope we pay him commensurate with his ability so we can keep or even elevate the talent around him. But thats up to the FO and Dakota and his agent.

The only debate about Rayne is weather he is Elite top 10 QB who can will the team the team to victory against REAL defenses....or merely just a decent QB that can win with talent around him

 

[QuincyCarterEra]

I think 20 of the 29 are similar or better.

Filter out Lynch and Tebow (Elway inspired).

Then filter out Johnny M and RG3 as atypical QBs who play a particular system Dallas isnt geared up for

So you really have 20 out of 25 - 80%.

I like those odds.

This is why we can't have rational conversations about Dak. Guys like this.

 

[HungryLion]

Most know this, its been discussed..be careful what you wish for in coaches and QBs as change isnt always a positive outlook right away..

the argument is dak worth 35mil? vs headaches of risking draft capital and time to start over at the most critical positions.

its tough one.. it equally going to be tough to go the Cousins route with FT when you have Amari to also sign..you cant make that an either or if you keep Dak he needs Amari..tough decisions coming this off season for sure

Keeping Dak isnt an issue for me , I like him but at what price is it a mistake? I know the market Bs talk is always brought up but this is the largest investment a team has and can we stay competitive paying an above average QB that much money and still keep players around him?

I agree. I have said in other posts that extending Dak also comes with its risks. It certainly does.

The reason I made this post was because I feel like some people believe that it’s a slam dunk argument to just let Dak go and draft a QB in the first round.

I have said that if the Cowboys go that route, so be it. I just wanted to see what the risks involved with doing that truly are.

I would love for the Cowboys to get the next AARON Rodgers or Patrick Mahomes.

I definitely don’t want them to have the next Brady Quinn or Paxton Lynch or Blake Bortles or Blaine Gabbert or anyone like that.

 

[Philmonroe]

it’s not about victim mode Phil. It’s about, people don’t want to have a conversation with somebody who is just going to dismiss what they’re saying as jibba jabba. That’s basic social interaction etiquette. If you are going to say I’m just using jibba jabba, then I’m just going to tell you that it’s pointless to discuss it then because you aren’t taking what I have to say seriously. That doesn’t make me a victim. It makes me someone that doesn’t want to talk to you about the topic, because you’re just being dismissive about it. So what’s the point in discussing it further if you’re just going to dismiss the points being made?

it’s pointless.

I posted more than jibba Jabba lol. If the word gets you that sensitive I won't use it but the point stands. This is a long winded way to say we should stick with Dak because we might draft a bust period. This is a messagebaord on football nothing is took serious my friend. This isn't a business and or important situation and I'm dismissing your pov. This is water cooler talk that I'm giving you the online equivalent of ribbing and you're ready to not reply. Maybe its not victim stuff but its definitely sensitive and reeks of someone who really wants echo chamber talk instead of diverse pov. You "dismissed" my point on why I even responded how I did on some bias I see of you. You don't see me using that as some referendum on not taking me seriously. You disagree big deal. We just don't have the same way of handling things and definitely don't like the others way of doing it. That's the big problem here.

 

[HungryLion]

I posted more than jibba Jabba lol. If the word gets you that sensitive I won't use it but the point stands. This is a long winded way to say we should stick with Dak because we might draft a bust period. This is a messagebaord on football nothing is took serious my friend. This isn't a business and or important situation and I'm dismissing your pov. This is water cooler talk that I'm giving you the online equivalent of ribbing and you're ready to not reply. Maybe its not victim stuff but its definitely sensitive and reeks of someone who really wants echo chamber talk instead of diverse pov. You "dismissed" my point on why I even responded how I did on some bias I see of you. You don't see me using that as some referendum on not taking me seriously. You disagree big deal. We just don't have the same way of handling things and definitely don't like the others way of doing it. That's the big problem here.

Far enough. It’s good to know you’re just ribbing me. To be honest Phil. Sometimes I have trouble with your posts and understanding if it’s just ribbing or meant to be disrespect. You have to admit some other posters on this board do go the disrespect route. But I can appreciate you saying it’s just water cooler talk. That’s good with me man.

You know sometimes it’s hard to know a persons tone through writing. If I could see your facial expression and body language I would pick up on that better I’m sure.

I honestly didn’t make this post as just a way of saying they have to keep Dak though.
I’m really just trying to break down what the chances of landing a better QB than him are.

I said in another post I would be fine if the cowboys do draft another QB. But I’m pointing out that is also a risky proposition.

sure we could get the next Mahomes. We could also get the next Paxton Lynch or Blaine Gabbert. Which would not be fun football to watch man.

thats all.

 

[blueblood70]

I agree. I have said in other posts that extending Dak also comes with its risks. It certainly does.

The reason I made this post was because I feel like some people believe that it’s a slam dunk argument to just let Dak go and draft a QB in the first round.

I have said that if the Cowboys go that route, so be it. I just wanted to see what the risks involved with doing that truly are.

I would love for the Cowboys to get the next AARON Rodgers or Patrick Mahomes.

I definitely don’t want them to have the next Brady Quinn or Paxton Lynch or anyone like that.

well most dont think that , thats small group who truly hate dak..lol

I see players in Daks situation and Romo like Minishew, Panthers allen, Steelers backup etc that weren't high draft picks that can play at least on daks level..theres no reason why the Cowboys should have been sitting on Dak without getting some young players to be the backup vs rush..NE seems to do well getting backups and trading them etc 2-4 rounds maybe every other year they should be grabbing a QB that could be the Next Dak or Romo but they sit on Rush and then have this decisions to be tougher as you have no answer at QB2..bad planning IMO.

also odd this is one of the only franchises I see do this and for what ever reason dont want a QB controversy and even in Rushs' case why does he not get more mop up time in games we are out of or have won by the 4th QTR? to me its trying to protect the starter from having his confidence challenged if the backup shows something?

its very odd to not having a plan behind your starter if nothing more then for Injury or possible replacement bridge..

 

[HungryLion]

well most dont think that , thats small group who truly hate dak..lol

I see players in Daks situation and Romo like Minishew, Panthers allen, Steelers backup etc that weren't high draft picks that can play at least on daks level..theres no reason why the Cowboys should have been sitting on Dak without getting some young players to be the backup vs rush..NE seems to do well getting backups and trading them etc 2-4 rounds maybe every other year they should be grabbing a QB that could be the Next Dak or Romo but they sit on Rush and then have this decisions to be tougher as you have no answer at QB2..bad planning IMO.

also odd this is one of the only franchises I see do this and for what ever reason dont want a QB controversy and even in Rushs' case why does he not get more mop up time in games we are out of or have won by the 4th QTR? to me its trying to protect the starter from having his confidence challenged if the backup shows something?

its very odd to not having a plan behind your starter if nothing more then for Injury or possible replacement bridge..

I honestly don’t trust them to make the right call on finding a QB.

We can thank Parcells and Sean Payton and David Lee for Romo. They’re not here anymore.

They fell backwards into drafting Dak and they were going to stick us with Paxton Lynch or Connor Cook.

 

[John813]

You’re right A big piece definitely comes down to the prospects themselves.

some of the prospects taken were looked at as almost can’t miss kind of guys. For instance, people knew Luck was going to be a beast in the NFL. And he was, until injuries ended his career.

some of the other prospects, probably shouldn’t have even went in the first, but they did because there’s always teams who are desperate to find “their guy”. Paxton Lynch? EJ manuel, Tim Tebow, Brady Quinn. Those guys shouldn’t have even been drafted in the first.

it also goes to show how taking a QB in the late first is risky business. Most of those prospects who really have a chance to be something special, were taken top 5.

I think Rodgers was the last QB to be taken later in the first who really ended up being something special. But that was what 13-14 years ago now? Doesn’t happen often.

hey if the Cowboys had a top pick in this draft and had a chance to take Tua. Go for it. I would be down.

if they are wanting to use a #23 pick on another QB who has a bunch of question marks..... that might not make sense to me.

I agree. Teams are desperate and will start to look at the "pros" of the QB and start discounting the "cons" of a QB and take him in the 1st. Christian Ponder was a QB that I have no clue why the Vikings took 12th overall.

Lamar Jackson may pan out for a 20's taken QB, but like you said in the OP it's too early to say.

Tim Tebow... and people want Josh McDaniels? lol

I honestly don’t trust them to make the right call on finding a QB.

We can thank Parcells and Sean Payton and David Lee for Romo. They’re not here anymore.

They fell backwards into drafting Dak and they were going to stick us with Paxton Lynch or Connor Cook.

And even with Romo they got lucky. Payton wanted the Cowboys to draft him, but they waited for UDFA to get him. Broncos IIRC offered more signing bonus and still had Shanahan as their coach.

 

[blueblood70]

I honestly don’t trust them to make the right call on finding a QB.

We can thank Parcells and Sean Payton and David Lee for Romo. They’re not here anymore.

They fell backwards into drafting Dak and they were going to stick us with Paxton Lynch or Connor Cook.

umm other teams took those players over Dak so it happens.. if you are drafting backups 2-4 rounds and stumble upon another romo or dak why not do it like NE does? just look for those backups and if you need draft capital trade them if they show something..

the fact that rush doesnt even get garbage time is a red flag the coaches or ownership dont want a QB controversy. Its kind of stupid..i mean Rush cant get on the field and get some live action is very odd..

 

[HungryLion]

umm other teams took those players over Dak so it happens.. if you are drafting backups 2-4 rounds and stumble upon another romo or dak why not do it like NE does? just look for those backups and if you need draft capital trade them if they show something..

the fact that rush doesnt even get garbage time is a red flag the coaches or ownership dont want a QB controversy. Its kind of stupid..i mean Rush cant get on the field and get some live action is very odd..

Oh I kind of misunderstood you.
I am totally in favor of them taking QB’s with mid rounders regularly. Every NFL team should be taking developmental QB’s and hoping to strike gold.

in the front offices defense, they tried with Mike White two drafts ago. And it didn’t work out.

even if they don’t draft a QB high. They DEFINITELY should use a 4th-6th rounder on a QB again this year, just to see what you can get.

absolutely they should be drafting QB’s more often.

just not necessarily first rounders or ones with premium picks (1-3)

 

[eromeopolk]

As everyone knows there has been much debate over whether the Cowboys should extend Dak’s contract.

some believe the cowboys should let Dak walk and select a QB in the first round.

this thread is not intended to be a debate over how good Dak ultimately is. I just want to explore the history of drafting QB’s in the first round and see how often QB’s selected in the first round end up being better than Dak has been thus far.

I made a post on this previously in another thread a while back, but feel like it could be its own thread and is worth discussing more.

So, I am going to break down QB’s drafted in the first round from 2007 until 2017. That is 11 drafts total. I am not including QB’s from the two most recent drafts, because I feel it is too soon to make an accurate judgment on how good those QB’s are.

I am going to list every QB taken in the first round and also mark if they were top 5 or not.

2017-
Trubisky (top 5), Mahomes, Deshaun Watson.

2016- Goff (top 5), Wentz (top 5), Paxton Lynch

2015- Jameis Winston (top 5). Mariota (top 5).

2014- Blake Bortles (top 5), Manziel, Bridgewater

2013- Ej Manuel

2012- Luck (top 5), Griffin III (top 5), Tannehill, Weeden

2011- Cam Newton (top 5), Locker, Gabbert, Ponder

2010- Bradford (top 5), Tebow

2009- Stafford (top 5), Sanchez (top 5), Freeman

2008- Matt Ryan (top 5), Joe Flacco

2007- JaMarcus Russel (top 5), Brady Quinn


That is 29 total QB’s taken.

Now I realize that which of those QB’s is better than Dak and which ones aren’t, is open for some debate. I would list it like this:

QB’s better than Dak:
Mahomes, Deshaun Watson, Andrew Luck, Cam Newton, Matt Ryan

that is 5 of the last 29 that have been better than Dak.

QB’s in the same tier as Dak:
Goff, Wentz, Stafford, Flacco

That is 4 QB’s who are around the same tier as Dak overall.

Again, this is open for debate. But I think it’s a pretty fair list. There are a few you could argue if you want.


So of 29 QB’s taken, 5 have been clearly better. That is 17%

4 have been about the same as Dak. That is 14%

So you have a 17% chance of getting a QB better than Dak. And a 14% chance of getting one just as good.

That means you have a 69% chance of ending up with a QB that is not even as good as Dak has been.

Broken down further. 3 of the ones who have been better, were top 5 picks.

3 of the ones on the same level as Dak were top 5 picks.

15 of the 29 QB’s first round were drafted outside of the Top 5 picks. Only 3 of those 15 have been as good or better than Dak. That’s 20%

Only 20% of the QB’s drafted beyond top 5 has been as good or better than Dak.


What does this all mean?

In my opinion, what this means is, even though Dak is not an elite QB. Replacing him and getting an elite QB, or one better than him is FAR from a guaranteed thing. You have an 69% chance of drafting a QB who ends up not being even as good as Dak is.

The chances of getting a QB better than Dak plummets even further If you are taking one outside of the top 5. As we all know, high end QB prospects get taken very early in the draft.

So in my opinion, if the Cowboys do try and replace Dak with a first round QB. We have to remember that the chances are very good, that the QB won’t even be as good as Dak has been.

It’s not just about “let’s take a 1st round QB”. It has to be the RIGHT prospect.

We must also remember that to get a top 5 pick to have the best odds of landing a QB better than Dak. The Cowboys would have to either tank a season, or trade MULTIPLE first round picks, to move up into the top 5.

And even after all that, If that top 5 pick busts or isn’t any better than Dak. You have wasted a bunch of draft capital, and are no better off at the position than you currently are. Or even worse, your QB sucks and you have to draft another QB a few years later again, all the while having a team that can’t win.

I have said in the past, that I would not necessarily just be opposed to letting Dak walk. But as the history shows, replacing Dak could be much much more difficult than just throwing a first round pick at the QB position. There are a ton of QB’s taken high, who never amount to anything.

All you had to say is that the Cowboys need to draft a DL in the first round of next years draft and not a QB.

Regarding 1st round QBs and Super Bowls:

Tom Brady 9 Super Bowls 6th round, Joe Montana 4 Super Bowls 3rd round, Roger Staubach 4 Super Bowls 10th round, Russell Wilson 2 Super Bowls 3rd round, Bart Starr 2 Super Bowls 5 NFL Championships 17th round, Johnny Unitas 1 Super Bowl 3 NFL Championships 9th round, Brad Johnson 1 Super Bowl 9th round, Joe Theisman 2 Super Bowls 4th round, and Kurt Warner 3 Super Bowls UDFA.

These are only the QBs that played in Super Bowls and won at least 1 Super Bowl not counting the ones that played and lost (i.e. Kapernick, Delhomme, etc.).

Football is a team sport where talent and coaching matters.