Zeke vs of Vikings in the box

[Creeper]

For anyone too lazy to watch the video I posted I will give you a quick summary.

Our OL and TE's sucked at blocking.

Sorry agenda Zeke haters.

Not a Zeke hater but I have noted a decline in his speed this year and how it has effected his running. The video was great, I wish he included the video of the actual plays. A few tings popped out at me. Travis Frederick is one. He seems to be a constant in all of this. Also, I have said this before but they miss Dez for his run blocking. Dez was big and strong and had not problems blocking in the running game. I agree, Cobb is not the guy I would use to block a LB or even one of the bigger safeties. Perhaps it was a play designed for Noah Brown? Ventell Bryant is a big guy, maybe incorporate him into the running game as a WR and blocker?

I know its not what this video is about but notice how the Vikings LBs had such an impact on the running game? Kendricks defeats a double team to make a stop? Our LBs can get off a single blocker!

My hope is that Fredericks gets stronger after another offseason to recover from the illness. LVE fixes whatever it is that has made him regress. And Connor McGovern is everything we hope he is. But 2 out of 3 ain't bad.

 

[DandyDon52]

There is no way 2016 Zeke just went away along with his instincts.


Zeke has still been great but nothing like 2016.


I notice with most of our backs they look their best early on. Demarco was the exception but I think the reason he did better because the added weight actually made him a better player.

Every RB we have had gets too bulky and they start running into crowds. They almost all look their best as rookies.

That is true, partly on the coaches, and trainers, and then on the player. They all lose the initial speed and quickness they have out of college.

 

[HungryLion]

There is no way 2016 Zeke just went away along with his instincts.


Zeke has still been great but nothing like 2016.


I notice with most of our backs they look their best early on. Demarco was the exception but I think the reason he did better because the added weight actually made him a better player.

Every RB we have had gets too bulky and they start running into crowds. They almost all look their best as rookies.

A lot of players on this team are like that. Remember how Chido used to turn his head and play the ball as a rookie?

 

[Nav22]

I just posted the film study.
Please do a little homework before coming here and sounding stupid next time. Okay?

So some radio guy posts a 13-minute video that supposedly explains away what the alignments were, and I’m supposed to watch it and take it as gospel like you did?


Here’s an idea.

Why don’t you explain to us what you saw in this 13-minute video that proves that the Vikings were selling out to stop the run and daring Dak to beat them?

It should be VERY easy for you to explain, since the proof is so strong that you linked the video and called me stupid for not having the foresight to seek the infinite wisdom of The Radio Football God, Jeff Cavanaugh.

Go ahead, idiot. We’re all ears!

 

[texbumthelife]

Tell us again how the Vikings were “gearing up to stop Zeke” and THAT is why he struggled.

Tell us again that they “dared Dak” to beat them and that’s the only reason he played well.

Tell us again that Ezekiel Elliott should continue to be the focal point of the offense despite Dak’s career year.

Go ahead.

Good thing we can actually WATCH THE GAME and see with our own eyes the Vikings clearly playing to limit Zeke. Honestly, arguing anything else is just trying to serve a personal agenda, which is the most popular post around here so it's not shocking.

There is a reason Dak threw for as many yards as he did and it's not because they were playing to stop the pass, or even to be balanced. Yeah, it's because their game plan was to stop Zeke.

 

[Nav22]

Good thing we can actually WATCH THE GAME and see with our own eyes the Vikings clearly playing to limit Zeke. Honestly, arguing anything else is just trying to serve a personal agenda, which is the most popular post around here so it's not shocking.

There is a reason Dak threw for as many yards as he did and it's not because they were playing to stop the pass, or even to be balanced. Yeah, it's because their game plan was to stop Zeke.

Hahahahahah

Dak was 5-5 on 3rd and 12-or-longer with 5 1st downs.

Money in the bank.

But I’m sure the Vikings were playing RUN on those plays, right?

 

[Nav22]

Good thing we can actually WATCH THE GAME and see with our own eyes the Vikings clearly playing to limit Zeke. Honestly, arguing anything else is just trying to serve a personal agenda, which is the most popular post around here so it's not shocking.

There is a reason Dak threw for as many yards as he did and it's not because they were playing to stop the pass, or even to be balanced. Yeah, it's because their game plan was to stop Zeke.

Ah, yes. The ol’ eye test!

When the facts don’t align with our predetermined misconceptions!

Same “eye test” that says Dak sucks no matter what the facts say.

 

[texbumthelife]

Hahahahahah

Dak was 5-5 on 3rd and 12-or-longer with 5 1st downs.

Money in the bank.

But I’m sure the Vikings were playing RUN on those plays, right?

So there were five plays they clearly didn't play run? Good point...?

 

[Nav22]

So there were five plays they clearly didn't play run? Good point...?

The “game plan was to stop Zeke”.... except for when it wasn’t and Dak shredded them anyways.

Great point, dude!

 

[texbumthelife]

Ah, yes. The ol’ eye test!

When the facts don’t align with our predetermined misconceptions!

Same “eye test” that says Dak sucks no matter what the facts say.

You let me know when you bring "facts" to the discussion, because you haven't yet. You've brought juvenile retorts and emojis.

 

[texbumthelife]

The “game plan was to stop Zeke”.... except for when it wasn’t.

Great point, dude!

So a team who wants to stop the run won't adapt their philosophy in 3rd and long situations? You literally listed FIVE plays as evidence. Do you know how many defensive snaps they played?

 

[Nav22]

You let me know when you bring "facts" to the discussion, because you haven't yet. You've brought juvenile retorts and emojis.

See my OP.

YOU are the one who dismissed those facts with your “eye test”.

 

[SackMaster]

What is the saying? The truth is usually somewhere in the middle (or something like that)

Did the Vikings play the run? Absolutely. That is basic football 101. Stop the run. And that is independent of who is the QB and who is the RB is. If the run is not contained, the chances of losing are astronomical.

Did the Vikings play the run so vigorously that it was insurmountable for our offensive line / RB to overcome? No. The Vikings still matched up in coverage without needing 2+ extra bodies in the box (sadly).

Was Zeke the sole reason for us not being able to run? No, not even close. The offensive line and run blocking scheme was very sub-par.

Should Zeke be blameless in the lack of production? No. We have seen other RBs do more with less, to include Zeke. Just not recently from him.

Did Dak do enough to win the game? Yes. Like someone else mentioned, Dak was one of the less than a handful of players that played well enough to win. Very Romo-esqe.

With a better QB, does Dallas beat Minny? Maybe. But with the way things played out, I would bet on No. The QB play / lack there of was not the issue on Sunday. It was much deeper than that.


Then what is the problem? IMO, the same thing that was the problem before Dak, Zeke, Coop all arrived in Dallas.

Now depending on how high up the chain you want to go is up to you. But, again IMO, the personnel that does their job on the playing field is not the problem. They are not perfect, and they all have made mistakes. But leadership off the playing field is vital, and Dallas seems to lack that right now.

 

[Nav22]

So a team who wants to stop the run won't adapt their philosophy in 3rd and long situations? You literally listed FIVE plays as evidence. Do you know how many defensive snaps they played?

See my OP.

Can you read? Is Sturm’s chart too complicated for you?

 

[texbumthelife]

See my OP.

YOU are the one who dismissed those facts with your “eye test”.

You listed stats taken out of context. That's not presenting facts.

 

[texbumthelife]

See my OP.

Can you read? Is Sturm’s chart too complicated for you?

Clearly the game of football is too complicated for your simple mind.

Just because a team doesn't put eight men in the box every play, doesn't mean their game plan isn't to stop the run. Your problem is that your argument isn't based remotely on logic or football. It's based on your agenda.

 

[texbumthelife]

What is the saying? The truth is usually somewhere in the middle (or something like that)

Did the Vikings play the run? Absolutely. That is basic football 101. Stop the run. And that is independent of who is the QB and who is the RB is. If the run is not contained, the chances of losing are astronomical.

Did the Vikings play the run so vigorously that it was insurmountable for our offensive line / RB to overcome? No. The Vikings still matched up in coverage without needing 2+ extra bodies in the box (sadly).

Was Zeke the sole reason for us not being able to run? No, not even close. The offensive line and run blocking scheme was very sub-par.

Should Zeke be blameless in the lack of production? No. We have seen other RBs do more with less, to include Zeke. Just not recently from him.

Did Dak do enough to win the game? Yes. Like someone else mentioned, Dak was one of the less than a handful of players that played well enough to win. Very Romo-esqe.

With a better QB, does Dallas beat Minny? Maybe. But with the way things played out, I would bet on No. The QB play / lack there of was not the issue on Sunday. It was much deeper than that.


Then what is the problem? IMO, the same thing that was the problem before Dak, Zeke, Coop all arrived in Dallas.

Now depending on how high up the chain you want to go is up to you. But, again IMO, the personnel that does their job on the playing field is not the problem. They are not perfect, and they all have made mistakes. But leadership off the playing field is vital, and Dallas seems to lack that right now.

No no no. Nav 22 says that you're not playing to stop the run unless it's eight man boxes even against a spread offense. He can't possibly be wrong.

 

[texbumthelife]

To be clear, Zeke could have definitely played better but to say the Vikings didn't come in with a determined plan to stop the run is akin to saying the Earth is flat. It would take a mindless fool, a troll, or a child to really believe that and there's really no use arguing with those people.

So I'll see myself out of this one.

 

[Nav22]

Clearly the game of football is too complicated for your simple mind.

Just because a team doesn't put eight men in the box every play, doesn't mean their game plan isn't to stop the run. Your problem is that your argument isn't based remotely on logic or football. It's based on your agenda.

Hahahahahah

And yet you can’t point to ONE fact that says that they DID sell out to stop the run.

Even though you then tried to call me out for NOT introducing facts.

“Eye test!!!!”

 

[PAPPYDOG]

Tell us again how the Vikings were “gearing up to stop Zeke” and THAT is why he struggled.

Tell us again that they “dared Dak” to beat them and that’s the only reason he played well.

Tell us again that Ezekiel Elliott should continue to be the focal point of the offense despite Dak’s career year.

Go ahead.

Ok, Mr. insult while Zeke is laying eggs where is our Franchise QB?
The man you want us to sign to a multi-million $ contract!
Are you starting to get the idea bud?
We are a Lopsided offense and every DC in the league knows our secret.
Let Dak beat you with his passing attack and stop Zeke at all costs.
So far DC are correct as we are 2-10 when egg-laying Zeke isn't over 75 yards.
Just call it Mr. insult as it is .....Zeke or bust as our QB is not Franchise material and cannot carry this team to VICTORY.

P.S. Unless we're playing the Giants.....