Zeke's longest run the past 3 weeks

[mattjames2010]

You'll like this but still disagree about Zeke's overall consistent impact.

I mean, it's an interesting stat and good for Henry, but some are getting mixed up here. I'm not trying to talk up Henry as being some great in the game, I'm wondering why an RB that is supposedly inferior to Zeke in important attributes is equaling or outperforming an RB that is labeled as one of the best of his generation....

This goes beyond O-line and defenses crowding the line. Plenty of the RBs I listed don't have much at all going on and their coaching staffs sure as heck aren't that great either. The problem is with Zeke, whether it's the tread on his tires since college or poor conditioning or off the field distractions. Simple fact is, he's not playing like a top 5 RB and not living up to his contract.

 

[TheDude]

Why didnt Henry lead the leauge in rushing the past 3 years? HMM.

He does play on the Titans. Oline is atrocious and you want to talk about other teams focusing on the run.....Try having Mariotta and Tannyhill (until last 2 games) under center and really see a run stop attack

 

[khiladi]

How can Zeke be in poor condition if his volume is generally the highest in the league and he likes to play with power and initiate contact?

 

[khiladi]

He does play on the Titans. Oline is atrocious and you want to talk about other teams focusing on the run.....Try having Mariotta and Tannyhill (until last 2 games) under center and really see a run stop attack

Dak was garbage the last two years and set multiple records in futility. The Titans are not an atrocious run blocking team. They were ranked 8th going into the season by PFF and Football Outsiders has them about there year as well overall right now.

 

[mattjames2010]

How can Zeke be in poor condition if his volume is generally the highest in the league and he likes to play with power and initiate contact?

How often did you see Smith taking breathers like Zeke does? Also, it's weird to me that you don't think lack of conditioning wouldn't have an impact on him not being able to get to the second level.....

You've had an agenda to defend Zeke for a while - similar to Pappydog who criticizes Dak to prop up Zeke, or the other poster that tears down Zeke to prop up Dak. Very few posters here push away the agenda and just evaluate individually.

 

[khiladi]

How often did you see Smith taking breathers like Zeke does? Also, it's weird to me that you don't think lack of conditioning wouldn't have an impact on him not being able to get to the second level.....

You've had an agenda to defend Zeke for a while - similar to Pappydog who criticizes Dak to prop up Zeke, or the other poster that tears down Zeke to prop up Dak. Very few posters here push away the agenda and just evaluate individually.

Emmitt Smith is arguably one of the top 3 RBs of all time.

We all have agendas. The fact your comparing him to one of the GOATs clearly evidences this fact.

 

[mattjames2010]

Dak was garbage the last two years and set multiple records in futility. The Titans are not an atrocious run blocking team. They were ranked 8th going into the season by PFF and Football Outsiders has them about there year as well overall right now.

Neither are we.

So, what's the problem with Dak?

 

[khiladi]

Neither are we.

So, what's the problem with Dak?

And? Zeke is on pace for 1000 yards by game 12.

With all the big runs you keep talking about, Henry and Zeke are basically neck in neck in attempts and yardage.

 

[mattjames2010]

Emmitt Smith is arguably one of the top 3 RBs of all time.

....and Zeke is being considered one of the best RBs of this generation. Heck, there was a poster here like a year ago who was trying to compare his freakin' stats to all-time greats and the "pace" he was on.

So, let's point out the scenarios why Zeke can't get to the second level: He lost a step, bad conditioning, or poor vision. All of which are negatives. Plenty of RBs on trash teams with trash coaches still find ways to get to the second level. Zeke, however, struggles to get 20+ yards now - this has been a consistent trend for him him and it's downwards.

The excuse making for one player that you'd never give for other players exposes your agenda. People can say I'm negative all they want, I'm at least consistent. I am not trying to prop any player up by tearing others down. Dak, Zeke, and Cooper are all under performing for the contracts they already have or what they are expecting to get.

 

[khiladi]

....and Zeke is being considered one of the best RBs of this generation. Heck, there was a poster here like a year ago who was trying to compare his freakin' stats to all-time greats and the "pace" he was on.

So, let's point out the scenarios why Zeke can't get to the second level: He lost a step, bad conditioning, or poor vision. All of which are negatives. Plenty of RBs on trash teams with trash coaches still find ways to get to the second level. Zeke, however, struggles to get 20+ yards now - this has been a consistent trend for him him and it's downwards.

The excuse making for one player that you'd never give for other players exposes your agenda. People can say I'm negative all they want, I'm at least consistent. I am not trying to prop any player up by tearing others down. Dak, Zeke, and Cooper are all under performing for the contracts they already have or what they are expecting to get.

because over his four year career, he has been. Nobody in the league has run at the volume he is at. While other teams were getting blown out, like the Giants and Titans, we consistently played tight games and won, because Zeke kept moving the chains and putting us in manageable third down situations.

We saw the impact when he got suspended for six games and Dak couldn’t even score double digits against good teams.

 

[mattjames2010]

And? Zeke is on pace for 1000 yards by game 12.

With all the big runs you keep talking about, Henry and Zeke are basically neck in neck in attempts and yardage.

He's averaging 4.3 yards on the ground this season - this is not a dominant. He has 1 carry beyond 20 yards. He's considerably down this year than where he was last year with receiving yards.

His contract also holds him to an expected level of production - he's not giving us that.

 

[khiladi]

Barkley will have one big run and completely disappear, but his 50 yard run will up his YPC from 1.3 to like 4.5. It won’t even matter as far as impact on the defensive front is concerned.

 

[mattjames2010]

because over his four year career, he has been. Nobody in the league has run at the volume he is at. While other teams were getting blown out, like the Giants and Titans, we consistently played tight games and won, because Zeke kept moving the chains and putting us in manageable third down situations.

We saw the impact when he got suspended for six games and Dak couldn’t even score double digits against good teams.

The only consistency from Zeke in his 4 years and that he has been consistently trending downwards in important categories.

 

[mattjames2010]

Barkley will have one big run and completely disappear, but his 50 yard run will up his YPC from 1.3 to like 4.5. It won’t even matter as far as impact on the defensive front is concerned.

LOL oh so now Barkley doesn't get an excuse of running behind a trash offensive line last year, but he still managed to find ways to score for his team by breaking long runs....

So, I ask again, why is Zeke incapable of doing this? I guess teams were just zoning in on old man Eli Manning and worried he'd tear up their defense....which he did to literally no one last year

 

[khiladi]

He's averaging 4.3 yards on the ground this season - this is not a dominant. He has 1 carry beyond 20 yards. He's considerably down this year than where he was last year with receiving yards.

His contract also holds him to an expected level of production - he's not giving us that.

His production is right where the guy you are comparing him to is at. For all the big games you claim Henry is netting, Zeke is right there. For a four career, Henry doesn’t even come close to the Zeke impact.

 

[khiladi]

LOL oh so now Barkley doesn't get an excuse of running behind a trash offensive line last year, but he still managed to find ways to score for his team by breaking long runs....

So, I ask again, why is Zeke incapable of doing this? I guess teams were just zoning in on old man Eli Manning and worried he'd tear up their defense....which he did to literally no one last year

Teams just play two deep zone for Barkley’s career. They actually were zoning on ‘old man’ Eli and adding Barkley was supposed to alter that, but guess what. It didn’t happen.

Where is Barkley’s consistent production you keep talking about?

https://www.nj.com/giants/2018/10/soft_zone_defense_remains_giants_kryptonite.html

 

[mattjames2010]

His production is right where the guy you are comparing him to is at. For all the big games you claim Henry is netting, Zeke is right there. For a four career, Henry doesn’t even come close to the Zeke impact.

No, no it is not. LOL

They had terrible QB play, yet he still produced like Zeke. Despite defenses only really needing to worry about him, he still broke off long runs. He has 4.8 YPC, 10 TDs, 14 receptions for 183 yards and two TDs (one reception was 75 yard TD, what happened to Zeke doing this?), he has multiple 20+ yard runs...

Zeke has 1 20+ yard run, 0 40+ yard runs....

About the only thing he and Zeke are similar on are fumbles lost.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

Not a good enough season from zeke. Next year he’ll be better with a full offseason.

We are 3 months into the season.

How is the offseason still being held out as an excuse?

What in the world.

 

[khiladi]

No, no it is not. LOL

They had terrible QB play, yet he still produced like Zeke. Despite defenses only really needing to worry about him, he still broke off long runs. He has 4.8 YPC, 10 TDs, 14 receptions for 183 yards and two TDs (one reception was 75 yard TD, what happened to Zeke doing this?), he has multiple 20+ yard runs...

Zeke has 1 20+ yard run, 0 40+ yard runs....

About the only thing he and Zeke are similar on are fumbles lost.

LOL.

Over a 4 year career:

51 games Zeke has rushed 1083 attempts
58 games Henry has rushed 707 attempts

Zeke basically has a whole season rushing on Henry in less games played.

 

[mattjames2010]

Teams just play two deep zone for Barkley’s career. They actually were zoning on ‘old man’ Eli and adding Barkley was supposed to alter that, but guess what. It didn’t happen.

Where is Barkley’s consistent production you keep talking about?

https://www.nj.com/giants/2018/10/soft_zone_defense_remains_giants_kryptonite.html

They are talking about something that happened 3 years prior to that and a strategy the Saints used to beat the Giants. You didn't actually read that. I'm getting bored, your agenda is not entertaining to me.

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