The straw that will break the camel's back

[Rockport]

This is not a Dak Prescott thread, it's just the opposite. This is about what to do instead of signing him to a long term deal.

There are some that want to tag him, pay him 30M for one season and draft a QB, I do not. The reason being you are still going to have to keep paying a lot of money to surround him with talent. I think Byron Jones is better at his position than Prescott is at his and more critical to keep. There are other options for a more affordable QB like maybe Bridgewater if Brees doesn't retire.

This team is unusual in that they have 4 OL in the top 6 paid at their position, the top paid RB and 3/4 DE and as a group they are not delivering according to their cap hits. They're not bad, just not that good.

Prescott is not bad either just not as good as the Tier 1 QBs with GB, NO and SEA and questionable whether he's as good as the one in SF. Do we want to make the same mistake that it looks like LAR and PHL have made?

It has become apparent to me that to be a true contender year after year, a team has to have that Tier 1 QB. Dak Prescott is not that guy and I think the Cowboys need to go as high as they can to get one that might be that guy and if not, go back again until they get him.

There is a chance the team has a new HC and we do not know what other changes that will bring about but maybe they do get Riley for the QB development but that would necessitate a new QB. This QB is not consistently as accurate as his last 3 QB's at OU.

Like I said, this is not about Prescott and whether he's deserving of a 35M contract, it's whether that should happen with this team and I say no for the reasons above. If this team is going to pay a QB top dollar, they need one that will not necessitate that being required of too many other players on offense. And we're looking at letting our most consistent player on the D walk to keep a QB and/or WR paid at the top tier level. This is an incomplete defense and will get worse without Jones.

OK, again, not about Prescott, this is about the idea of trying to get that future Tier 1 QB which would probably mean a couple of steps back to take some forward but steps I believe necessary to reach the destination.

It’s not a Dak thread then the first thing you do is talk about Dak Everyone execept arm chair QB fans think Dak is a franchise QB. Oh my the ignorance of the fans.

 

[Future]

Jerry should have learned from Romo's contract but yet he's still making the same mistakes he made when the team was enduring what I refer to as, cap hell.

I do not think Prescott is worth a top QB contact. He's proven nothing so far. Draft a QB, and not one that is a 6th round pick. Keep Prescott only if he settles for a more reasonable contract, but still draft a QB.

Remember, you can't keep the team together very long if your mindset is that no one is replaceable.

The Cowboys cap issues were more of a problem for fans than the actual teams.

Here are the quarterbacks taken in the first 3 rounds in the last 3 years: K Murray, D Jones, D Haskins, D Lock, Will Grier, B Mayfield, S Darnold, J Allen, J Rosen, L Jackson, M Rudolph, M Trubisky, P Mahomes, D Watson, D Kizer, D Webb, CJ Beathard

Good luck hitting on a replacement with that list. You've got a better chance of getting a non-NFL calibre QB than you do an improvement.

 

[CouchCoach]

Ya I just don't know how well replace those 2 career interceptions. look in a perfect world we keep Byron and Im not necessarily on board with over paying Dak but hes been pretty good this year. You're advocating not paying Dak but paying Bridgewater. You think hes going to come cheap i doubt that. Your scenario with all due respect does nothing and i don't see Bridgewater as this huge upgrade to Dak if at all.

This teams problem are on the sidelines and the defensive side of the ball. If we dont repair that Aaron Rodgers could be under center and theyll still find ways to lose games

Bridgewater isn't an upgrade, he's more affordable at 20m than Prescott at 35-40m. This allows the team more cushion to retain D players like Jones, maybe Quinn or Bennett. I also do not know what Bridgewater might want so this might not fly but there are others to get while they bring along the rook.

 

[12+88=7]

It doesn't matter if the fanbase believes Prescott is worth 30 million or not. The new coach will decide what QB he wants to hitch his wagon to.

The two most important decisions in the off season will be #1 head coach and #2 the QB decision.

If Jones dictates the new coach inherit Prescott against his wishes this franchise is doomed in the near future. The QB decision must be made by the new head coach and no one else.

 

[CouchCoach]

It’s not a Dak thread then the first thing you do is talk about Dak Everyone execept arm chair QB fans think Dak is a franchise QB. Oh my the ignorance of the fans.

Rocky, I prefer coach couch.

 

[rnr_honeybadger]

The new coach will decide what QB he wants to hitch his wagon to.

That’s a dream. In Dallas the coach can’t even pick his own coordinators.

 

[PAPPYDOG]

There aren't. You just want him to be bad.

I want him to be GREAT as the Star above all.
He continuously breaks our hearts!!!!

 

[Diehardblues]

It doesn't matter if the fanbase believes Prescott is worth 30 million or not. The new coach will decide what QB he wants to hitch his wagon to.

The two most important decisions in the off season will be #1 head coach and #2 the QB decision.

If Jones dictates the new coach inherit Prescott against his wishes this franchise is doomed in the near future. The QB decision must be made by the new head coach and no one else.

It’s doubtful the new HC will decide.

Jerry will decide and whatever HC he brings in will go with Jerry’s decision.

 

[CWR]

This is not a Dak Prescott thread, it's just the opposite. This is about what to do instead of signing him to a long term deal.

There are some that want to tag him, pay him 30M for one season and draft a QB, I do not. The reason being you are still going to have to keep paying a lot of money to surround him with talent. I think Byron Jones is better at his position than Prescott is at his and more critical to keep. There are other options for a more affordable QB like maybe Bridgewater if Brees doesn't retire.

This team is unusual in that they have 4 OL in the top 6 paid at their position, the top paid RB and 3/4 DE and as a group they are not delivering according to their cap hits. They're not bad, just not that good.

Prescott is not bad either just not as good as the Tier 1 QBs with GB, NO and SEA and questionable whether he's as good as the one in SF. Do we want to make the same mistake that it looks like LAR and PHL have made?

It has become apparent to me that to be a true contender year after year, a team has to have that Tier 1 QB. Dak Prescott is not that guy and I think the Cowboys need to go as high as they can to get one that might be that guy and if not, go back again until they get him.

There is a chance the team has a new HC and we do not know what other changes that will bring about but maybe they do get Riley for the QB development but that would necessitate a new QB. This QB is not consistently as accurate as his last 3 QB's at OU.

Like I said, this is not about Prescott and whether he's deserving of a 35M contract, it's whether that should happen with this team and I say no for the reasons above. If this team is going to pay a QB top dollar, they need one that will not necessitate that being required of too many other players on offense. And we're looking at letting our most consistent player on the D walk to keep a QB and/or WR paid at the top tier level. This is an incomplete defense and will get worse without Jones.

OK, again, not about Prescott, this is about the idea of trying to get that future Tier 1 QB which would probably mean a couple of steps back to take some forward but steps I believe necessary to reach the destination.

The drop off between Dak and the next man up is monumental. Its not comparable to Byron and the other DBS.

Dak is exponentially more valuable to the team. Maybe Id feel differently if we had some blue chipper waiting in the wings.

 

[Fletch]

Dak is the least of our problems. O-line, which was a strength 3 years ago has regressed and is now a sinking ship. D-line sucks minus edge play from Tank and Quinn. We only have one viable option in my opinion at CB. That’s Jourdan Lewis. Maybe we keep Xavier if we get better front seven play?

Our defense is soft compared to last year, dating back to the Rams Division loss.

Our entire scheme, O and D is questionable. Moreso the defense. Bye Marinelli and Richard!

Our O can be fixed, the D needs real help from the interior line to Safety.

 

[starfan1]

This offense has been WILDLY inconsistent. That Bills game was just miserable to watch - the Cowboys scored on the opening drive (see? It can be done!), to go up 7 - 0. But then they failed to score ANYTHING AT ALL until 4 minutes left in the game, and that last one was obviously a garbage-time touchdown allowance.

So I don't think we can hang this solely on the Defense and coaching. Special Teams have also been horrible this season. It's the whole enchilada.

This team is just inexplicable. For a team that has so much ostensibly going for it on paper, Dallas is somehow *less* than the sum of its parts. Is it really just coaching?

well coming into the Pats game we had the number 1 offense in the league so I wouldn't say that they were widely inconsistent. Now an argument can be made that the teams we faced played a role in that. I think that coaching is a huge issue and every games is different. But had a couple of decisions been made differently i don't think were having this discussion.

we've also had some bad breaks to go along with poor defense and in some case turnovers and yes special teams. This team is also a penalty at the wrong time waiting to happen. It all goes back to Garrett and even Jones and changing the QB isn't the answer. so to answer your question it may not be just the coaching but it has been consistently the coaching for several years and you got too much invested in players and draft picks that you arent going to blow this thing up

JMO

 

[MyFairLady]

I think Byron Jones is better at his position than Prescott is at his and more critical to keep.

If you take all of Byron's impact plays he has made over his entire 5 year career you would get to what a good player can sometimes do in one year. He is the definition of an average pro and is super duper over rated. He isn't holding us back but he sure as heck isn't propelling us forward.

 

[shabazz]

I say tag him , or find a new QB. Not both.

I'd do both. Since we're already in the "Right Now" with Zeke and our Oline aint gettin younger, Franchise him and let him be the serviceable Qb that he is, and look for the next Franchise qb. If they dont sign Dak long term there was no sense in signing Zeke.

2 years should be enough to find out if we have the heir apparent to succeed Dakota. that would be three years from now and a whole new generation of players to be added

 

[MyFairLady]

That’s a dream. In Dallas the coach can’t even pick his own coordinators.

100% agree. Jerruh will decide on the future of the team and the new coach will be hired based on that decision. As it has been and as it forever shall be. And as we all know Jerruh loves his boys. At the very least Dak will get the franchise tag which is what I am hoping for at this point. You can't just let him walk but we don't have to extend him to a mega deal either.

 

[MrPhil]

Based on what I have heard from Jerry, he has effectively already hitched the Cowboys wagon to Dak. At this point, it is just a matter of price. He certainly could change his mind I suppose, but i doubt it.

 

[starfan1]

Bridgewater isn't an upgrade, he's more affordable at 20m than Prescott at 35-40m. This allows the team more cushion to retain D players like Jones, maybe Quinn or Bennett. I also do not know what Bridgewater might want so this might not fly but there are others to get while they bring along the rook.

and as devils advocate who are you intending on bring on as a rook drafting at worse in the 20's? When your biggest needs continue to be DT perhaps both spots now LB and certainly everyone in the secondary not named Jones. You also have aging OL that are beginning to show rust.

I think that unless you are blowing this thing up your tied to Prescott and Elliott. Jerry isn't going to stray he wants them to be the face of the Cowboys along with Jaylon. If we could get Bridewater cheap then I could see that but Byron is going to take his 2 interceptions and want a big payday as will Quinn. I heard mention of Bennett looking at calling it quits and he probably dont want leftover cowboy stank on his resume anyway even if he don't

 

[12+88=7]

It’s doubtful the new HC will decide.

Jerry will decide and whatever HC he brings in will go with Jerry’s decision.

Then nothing will change but the name of the head coach. Wash, rinse, repeat.

Dallas needs a strong head coach, or like I said, this franchise is doomed in the near future.

 

[Future]

I want him to be GREAT as the Star above all.
He continuously breaks our hearts!!!!

He is great. One cherry-picked throw doesn't change that, because you can do it for every quarterback. Guess the Chiefs shouldn't pay Mahomes either.

 

[ksadler1]

They could have ended up with Paxton Lynch and would probably still be looking for a QB.

Jimmy said it best on the Fox morning show, you pay your QB and draft young cheap players to put around him.

Yup, and as long as you have a good coaching staff, that will work. Our staff has to vastly change or it will be SOS different year. This includes Coach Jerry...

 

[Rockport]

Rocky, I prefer coach couch.

I just don’t get the hate for Dak. This year he’s done everything the critics said he was not good at.