The straw that will break the camel's back

[BoysForLife]

No there isn't.

No there's not.

Murray is a product of Kingsbury's system. Put him in about 28 other offenses and he's terrible.

That's fine. It makes your team worse.

Yes there is.

And analyze Arizona's roster.
their #1 WR is Larry Fitz at 36 years old.

 

[Future]

Yes there is.

And analyze Arizona's roster.
their #1 WR is Larry Fitz at 36 years old.

They don't have or need a #1 WR b/c they scheme players open. Their passing game is also abysmal.

Murray is 27th in Y/A lol. You could make a better case for Minshew.

 

[BoysForLife]

Did they play one on one or something?

Or course not.
What's your point?

 

[BoysForLife]

Apples to oranges. Murray's team is often behind, so he's in helter-skelter mode for most of the 2nd half in most games. The numbers get inflated.

The Cowboys try to stay with Zeke for as long as possible, the games are closer, less possessions with more running, so Dak's stats aren't often inflated.

Thanksgiving Day Zeke averaged 6 yards per carry and he got 12 carries.....


Carry on.... All is well.....

 

[MysteryIceGuro]

If this thread is based on the premise that Prescott is not a Tier 1 QB - then it absolutely is a Dak Prescott thread.

There aren't 5 quarterbacks in the league better than him right now.

I like Dak, but c'mon dude. Wilson, Mahomes, Jackson, Watson, Kirk Cousins, Rodgers, Brees, and Josh Allen are better than him right now.

 

[BoysForLife]

They don't have or need a #1 WR b/c they scheme players open. Their passing game is also abysmal.

So you admit that they don't "have" a #1 WR.
And yet you claim that the Cowboys don't have more talent at the skill position than Arizona does.

Keep spinning. This is fun.

 

[G2]

Or course not.
What's your point?

You're attempting to discount Prescott by comparing him to one player on another team. From one game, lol.

 

[KMY_Amber]

Thanksgiving Day Zeke averaged 6 yards per carry and he got 12 carries.....


Carry on.... All is well.....

And they fell behind in the 3rd quarter, and had to play catch up.

But in most games, the Cowboys have run more on 1st downs short of the Ravens and Niners. As a whole, the Cowboys stay quite committed to the run.

So, if you want to make your point because of one game, that's fine.

 

[DogFace]

I honestly do not understand how some think getting a QB that can lead the league in passing is easy to replicate.

Others have shown all the bad QB s picked. Those are real lists with real failures people.

 

[Future]

So you admit that they don't "have" a #1 WR.
And yet you claim that the Cowboys don't have more talent at the skill position than Arizona does.

Keep spinning. This is fun.

1 player doesn't make an entire skill position group. They're overall depth at skill positions is much better than Dallas, b/c Gallup, Cobb and Witten can't catch the ball. Dallas leads the league in drops.

The point about not having a #1 is that the system is not designed to need it, so it doesn't matter. I don't think you have any understanding of what Kingsbury does on offense, and how it inflates a QB's stats vs. how the Cowboys run their offense and has the exact opposite effect.

 

[KMY_Amber]

This feels like a post written by Jason Garrett. A bunch of rambling. You


I like Dak, but c'mon dude. Wilson, Mahomes, Jackson, Watson, Kirk Cousins, Rodgers, Brees, and Josh Allen are better than him right now.

Cousins? Josh Allen? I don't know. Just because they're having solid seasons right now doesn't make them necessarily better.

The Cowboys coaching and game plans holds the players back.

At worst, I'd say they have the same overall talent, but better? Can't say that yet. Same? Yes, OK. Am I taking Allen or Cousins over Dak right now? Nope. Put Cousins on this team and he'll look average, and Allen probably stinks it up with this coaching staff.

 

[Future]

I like Dak, but c'mon dude. Wilson, Mahomes, Jackson, Watson, Kirk Cousins, Rodgers, Brees, and Josh Allen are better than him right now.

LOLLLL

Not even close.

 

[MysteryIceGuro]

LOLLLL

Not even close.

Kirk has played pretty freaking well as of late. So has Allen. Brees and Rodgers are on the downside of their careers, but they're still great. Dak has been turnover prone as of late and has regressed back to his 2018 self. Like I said, I like Dak, but you cannot say he's a top 5 QB right now. Maybe he'll change my mind these next few games, but right now he's top 10.

Tell me, as of right now, why wouldn't you take the mobile Allen and better version of Dak (as of right now, aka Cousins)?

 

[MysteryIceGuro]

Cousins? Josh Allen? I don't know. Just because they're having solid seasons right now doesn't make them necessarily better.

The Cowboys coaching and game plans holds the players back.

At worst, I'd say they have the same overall talent, but better? Can't say that yet. Same? Yes, OK. Am I taking Allen or Cousins over Dak right now? Nope. Put Cousins on this team and he'll look average, and Allen probably stinks it up with this coaching staff.

They're having solid seasons, yes, but Allen is only in his 2nd year and is tracking upwards. Cousins has likely hit his ceiling but he's been pretty amazing as of late. They're better right now and that's okay. I'm not trying to degrade Dak or anything. He's a top 10 QB that can take you all the way, but to blame coaching and playcalling right now isn't right. Especially since our playcalling has favored passing as of late.

 

[TonyS]

I keep seeing people say the Cowboys should go draft a QB better than Dak...like it's something that can be done by throwing a dart at the draft board.

Ever hear of these guys (overall pick number)?
Jamarcus Russell (#1)
Paxton Lynch (#26)
Brady Quinn (#22)
Jake Locker (#8)
Johnny Manziel (#22)
Tim Tebow (#25)
EJ Manuel (#16)
Brandon Weeden (#22)
Matt Leinart (#10)
Christian Ponder (#12)
J.P. Losman (#22)
Blaine Gabbert (#10)
Patrick Ramsey (#32)
Kyle Boller (#19)
David Carr (#1)
Josh Rosen (#10)
Joey Harrington (#3)
Josh Freeman (#17)
Jason Campbell (#25)
Byron Leftwich (#7)

That's 20 first round picks...I would take none of them over Dak. If picking an above average (forget great) QB was easy, all 32 teams would have at least one.

You forgot to add Wentz!

 

[Future]

Kirk has played pretty freaking well as of late. So has Allen. Brees and Rodgers are on the downside of their careers, but they're still great. Dak has been turnover prone as of late and has regressed back to his 2018 self. Like I said, I like Dak, but you cannot say he's a top 5 QB right now. Maybe he'll change my mind these next few games, but right now he's top 10.

Tell me, as of right now, why wouldn't you take the mobile Allen and better version of Dak (as of right now, aka Cousins)?

Dak is better than all 4 of them right now BY A MILE. It's not even close.

Cousins is bad. Allen is still wildly inaccurate (though getting better). Brees has no arm and is entirely a product of that system right now. Rodgers is great...but hasn't been better than Dak. Not even close. He's had a passer rating under 90 as often as over 100, including 3 of the last 4. I mean, did you watch the Chargers or SF games?

 

[MysteryIceGuro]

Dak is better than all 4 of them right now BY A MILE. It's not even close.

Cousins is bad. Allen is still wildly inaccurate (though getting better). Brees has no arm and is entirely a product of that system right now. Rodgers is great...but hasn't been better than Dak. Not even close. He's had a passer rating under 90 as often as over 100, including 3 of the last 4. I mean, did you watch the Chargers or SF games?

Show me the stats of those QBs right now and then we'll talk. TD/INT ratio? Fumbles? Sacks? I need more information because they have more wins than Dak. Now, I don't like using wins as a QB stat, but in all of these wins these teams have had, their offenses and QB's have played miles better than Dak has. I know, playcalling is bad, coaching is terrible, but I've seen Dak make a lot more bad decisions and throws than those QB's.

 

[Diehardblues]

I thought Archie Manning had more raw talent and better play making ability than either of his sons .

But never was on a playoff team and I don’t believe a team above .500 his entire career. And so his career isn’t as recognizable.

And he was as much fun as any in that era to watch. And without Archie they wouldn’t have been in most of the games they were. Horrid teams he played for. He’s one of those rare examples .

 

[TwoCentPlain]

Can you imagine Jerry luring Riley over to Dallas and then Tua just falls in our laps because of his hip injury.

Yeah I know, I know it's a crazy out of this world dream scenario that will never happen because.........

I don't think Tua is that good and he can't even stay healthy in college.

 

[McKDaddy]

I keep seeing people say the Cowboys should go draft a QB better than Dak...like it's something that can be done by throwing a dart at the draft board.

Ever hear of these guys (overall pick number)?
Jamarcus Russell (#1)
Paxton Lynch (#26)
Brady Quinn (#22)
Jake Locker (#8)
Johnny Manziel (#22)
Tim Tebow (#25)
EJ Manuel (#16)
Brandon Weeden (#22)
Matt Leinart (#10)
Christian Ponder (#12)
J.P. Losman (#22)
Blaine Gabbert (#10)
Patrick Ramsey (#32)
Kyle Boller (#19)
David Carr (#1)
Josh Rosen (#10)
Joey Harrington (#3)
Josh Freeman (#17)
Jason Campbell (#25)
Byron Leftwich (#7)

That's 20 first round picks...I would take none of them over Dak. If picking an above average (forget great) QB was easy, all 32 teams would have at least one.

You are exactly correct. However, I would add that you never stop looking for a great QB unless you already have a bona fide star. Maybe not even then. It's clear that people's views of Dak are very divided as to where he should rank and what his ceiling is. In and of itself, that tells you that you don't have a clear cut guy. So, you gotta keep trying to find a better one.