The straw that will break the camel's back

[Diehardblues]

agreed not sure it means much as it will get done but it something to discuss

The fans are certainly adding to the drama but if they’d signed a contract there wouldn’t be any drama about signing a contract. It’s actually pretty simply stuff IMO.

 

[CouchCoach]

I think most of us agreed that it was more the market for the QB1 being set than Prescott himself. Then, why pay Brees, Rodgers and Wilson money when he's not in their class? Mahomes will get 40, or more, as will Jackson but they're QB's that can raise the talent level around them and affect DC strategy.

All I am saying is why not try to go for QB that has a better chance to become a Tier 1 rather than pay a Tier 2 what will amount to 35m a season which is Tier 1 money right now. Every team is going to have to pay their QB more than they want to, why not get the best they can get. Risk? Sure, it's all risk.

 

[Redball Express]

Wasn’t that Jerry’s philosophy with Romo? He was so mobile extending plays didn’t need a great OL.

Still funny as hell Jerry even said that. Lol

Yes he did.

He also decide to let DeMarco Murray go becuz anybody could run behind it.

Just like 500 coaches could win s SB with the 90s team.

Wrong and wrong.

So when the team is owned by a wild Catter who is interested in money and building his empires with the money needed to improve the team instead..

here we go.

 

[Diehardblues]

I think most of us agreed that it was more the market for the QB1 being set than Prescott himself. Then, why pay Brees, Rodgers and Wilson money when he's not in their class? Mahomes will get 40, or more, as will Jackson but they're QB's that can raise the talent level around them and affect DC strategy.

All I am saying is why not try to go for QB that has a better chance to become a Tier 1 rather than pay a Tier 2 what will amount to 35m a season which is Tier 1 money right now. Every team is going to have to pay their QB more than they want to, why not get the best they can get. Risk? Sure, it's all risk.

Cause they believe Dak is great enough to lead us to a SB.

If we have the right HC, OC, receivers, OL, Defense .
Did I miss anything ?

This was the year for him to elevate everyone around him deeper than we’d been this era.

Unfortunately I think the Dak era will end up similarly disappointing as the Romo era.

 

[BoysForLife]

Unless we have Sean Payton he’s a 6-10 qb at best...

Who?
Dak, or Bridgewater?

or both.....

 

[McKDaddy]

The backup Alabama QB is playing very well with little drop-off from Tua so far this year. Leads me to believe pretty much most college QBs would look decent to very good when surrounded by all the talent Alabama has on offense. Looks like Alabama offense is so good that QBs can go to their 1st or second read most of the time and the player will be open. I doubt Tua is out there reading defenses but just running the called play. I watched Tua for the past two years and get the feeling that when faced with equal competition, he does not shine. I think he is afraid to run since he has been injured so much. Take away his scrambling ability and I don't think he will be a good pocket passer. I also think he gained some weight and will gain more.

Fair enough. I saw a very accurate passer and good decision maker. Certainly the injuries could make a difference to his NFL future. My understanding is that the hip injury is quite serious. Prior to the injuries I felt he was as good a prospect to become a high level NFL QB as you could ask for. Will have to see how the prognosis looks next spring.

 

[BoysForLife]

Our defense and special teams severely underachieved. Pretty simple stuff. Prescott had better numbers, he just couldn't overcome the entire teams mistakes. He made some on his own but was hardly the culprit.

I'm intrigued by the bold.

So when other QB's have success, it's because "our defense severely underachieved"

But then Dak puts up huge numbers against mediocre teams and struggles more often than not against good to great defenses, the only logical conclusion is "get out your checkbook Jerry". Would it surprise you to know that all 6 of our victories this year are against teams who are ranked 20th or worse (bottom 3rd of the league) in scoring defense.

We have 4 losses in 4 games against teams with top 12 (top 3rd of the league) scoring defenses. NE giving up 12.1 ppg. we scored 9. Under their average. Buffalo giving up 15.7 ppg. We scored 15. Slightly under their average. Minnesota giving up 20.4 PPG. We scored 24. We overachieved on that one. Saints allowing 20.7 ppg. We scored 10. Again way under their average.

How are those numbers going to look when a couple of our O line and maybe Cooper are gone because we're paying Dak $40 million. Sorry, I'm not seeing the logic here. Just being honest.

 

[johneric8]

This is not a Dak Prescott thread, it's just the opposite. This is about what to do instead of signing him to a long term deal.

There are some that want to tag him, pay him 30M for one season and draft a QB, I do not. The reason being you are still going to have to keep paying a lot of money to surround him with talent. I think Byron Jones is better at his position than Prescott is at his and more critical to keep. There are other options for a more affordable QB like maybe Bridgewater if Brees doesn't retire.

This team is unusual in that they have 4 OL in the top 6 paid at their position, the top paid RB and 3/4 DE and as a group they are not delivering according to their cap hits. They're not bad, just not that good.

Prescott is not bad either just not as good as the Tier 1 QBs with GB, NO and SEA and questionable whether he's as good as the one in SF. Do we want to make the same mistake that it looks like LAR and PHL have made?

It has become apparent to me that to be a true contender year after year, a team has to have that Tier 1 QB. Dak Prescott is not that guy and I think the Cowboys need to go as high as they can to get one that might be that guy and if not, go back again until they get him.

There is a chance the team has a new HC and we do not know what other changes that will bring about but maybe they do get Riley for the QB development but that would necessitate a new QB. This QB is not consistently as accurate as his last 3 QB's at OU.

Like I said, this is not about Prescott and whether he's deserving of a 35M contract, it's whether that should happen with this team and I say no for the reasons above. If this team is going to pay a QB top dollar, they need one that will not necessitate that being required of too many other players on offense. And we're looking at letting our most consistent player on the D walk to keep a QB and/or WR paid at the top tier level. This is an incomplete defense and will get worse without Jones.

OK, again, not about Prescott, this is about the idea of trying to get that future Tier 1 QB which would probably mean a couple of steps back to take some forward but steps I believe necessary to reach the destination.

you do realize that Tom Brady won the Superbowl last year after having a horrible game throwing no touchdowns scoring no points? Whatever you're smoking I think the whole world need some so we can all live in la Land.

 

[Redball Express]

I see a lot of fans that say that finding a new QB will hard to do. It is based on the fear of the unknown. The team has been playing scared, but there is no reason why the fans should fear dumping Dak and drafting a new QB. Sure it is a roll of the dice, but it is a roll that they shouldn’t fear taking. Some times you have to make aggressive moves to improve the team.

I just remember 2015 too well.

When we look to rely on this staff to fix the QB situation..

We got told Brandon Weeden was the answer and then an endless conga line of guys that were finished.

Mark Sanchez, etc

Remember Dak was a 4th rd. longterm project as a backup.

Not drafted to replace Romo.

That happened by chance.

So this staff worries me when it comes to picking QBs.

Garrett was not a good one in the first place.

We should not let him pick the next one for sure

 

[Quickdraw]

The Cowboys cap issues were more of a problem for fans than the actual teams.

Here are the quarterbacks taken in the first 3 rounds in the last 3 years: K Murray, D Jones, D Haskins, D Lock, Will Grier, B Mayfield, S Darnold, J Allen, J Rosen, L Jackson, M Rudolph, M Trubisky, P Mahomes, D Watson, D Kizer, D Webb, CJ Beathard

Good luck hitting on a replacement with that list. You've got a better chance of getting a non-NFL calibre QB than you do an improvement.

Actually it was a team issue. That's why Ware was let go. Couldn't afford to keep him. Just 1 example.

 

[conner01]

If this thread is based on the premise that Prescott is not a Tier 1 QB - then it absolutely is a Dak Prescott thread.

There aren't 5 quarterbacks in the league better than him right now.

I don’t know if he’s 5th or 10th
But even if you think he’s 10th it won’t matter because you can’t get 1-9
You have two options
Pay Dak
Draft another QB and hope for the best
You aren’t getting one of the top 3-4 prospects either

 

[Future]

Actually it was a team issue. That's why Ware was let go. Couldn't afford to keep him. Just 1 example.

Ware wasn't worth his contract anymore.

 

[Quickdraw]

Ware wasn't worth his contract anymore.

Apparently he was because Denver picked him up, where he ended up being a major factor in helping them win a Superbowl. Ware was expensive and was a casualty of the salary cap.

 

[Future]

Apparently he was because Denver picked him up, where he ended up being a major factor in helping them win a Superbowl. Ware was expensive and was a casualty of the salary cap.

B/c he wasn't as good lol. He was a casualty of the cap b/c he had 6 sacks his last year in Dallas.

"Major factor" isn't worth what he was making with the Cowboys.

 

[khiladi]

We have a top 3 line in football and rushing attack. Dak without it, six game suspension, followed by no Cooper looked pathetic, None of the QBs referenced above were on any way equivalent to what Dak walked into. We are in year 4 of the experiment.

The Bills in year 4 were the only team that got “considerable” pressure on Dak this year and he looks awful.

 

[khiladi]

Both young, Inexperienced QBs, Darnold and Allen PICKED apart our defense when given the TIME Dak sees regularly on a weekly basis.

Dak still can’t put the ball in the red zone regularly in this context.

 

[khiladi]

Dak will easily lose a lot of endorsement money if he’s no longer the QB of the Cowboys. Even Zeke is a top jersey seller, despite his negative character issues. The Cowboys traditionally are in the top of jersey sales as long as they are ‘competitive’.

 

[starfan1]

I think most of us agreed that it was more the market for the QB1 being set than Prescott himself. Then, why pay Brees, Rodgers and Wilson money when he's not in their class? Mahomes will get 40, or more, as will Jackson but they're QB's that can raise the talent level around them and affect DC strategy.

Seems like last year there was plenty of chatter about Jackson’s ability to throw the ball not only here but the talking heads

he’s having a good year in fact a great year and he’s doing that because his coaching staff instead of trying to put him in a box has made their scheme fit him he still can’t throw all that well and it shows when a good defense boxes him in. He’s may get hurt and if he does this won’t last long term he’s most likely going to be an rg3

but yes he’s amazing to watch right now. So was rg3 the year he and Morris stormed the league

mahomes is a generational talent and has flourished under Reid’s leadership who saw this coming when he was at TT?

Dak isn’t worth 40 but he’s certainly worth what wentz and Goff got paid. I’m much more worried about the defense and coaching

Dak is down list of things I’m concerned about with this team

 

[DuncanIso]

Dak has 4-5 years left as starting QB. If he escapes serious injury. Ask Romo about that.

to be fair, we don’t need to look at a QB replacement for another 2-3 seasons.

 

[Mr Cowboy]

Maybe one of the most well thought out, insightful contributions I've read on this forum in a long time, regardless of which side of the debate you are on.

Good job CC

All credibility went out the window when he said that Byron Jones is better at his position than Dak is at his. When was the last time you saw Jones make a play? One of his 2 interceptions was off a tipped pass. He is being abused by rookie WRs.

I get it, many don't like Dak, but he has played very well all season, in spite of a running game that has gone from physical to finesse. Dak is getting the Romo treatment. Our QBs are not allowed to have a bad game, ever. It seems like the usual bunch are rooting against our own QB. Dak is the least of our problems. There are bigger issues with our over rated defense, our special teams are horrible, and our coaching is a disadvantage.

We get it, some of you have a deep hate for Dak, but that doesn't mean you have to start numerous posts that say the same thing and hijack others. Get over it, he's the QB and will continue to be so.