The case against Chip Kelly as head coach

[erod]

Chip Kellys offense is nothing like Urban Myers. Myers offense is more pro style. Chips offense was a constant 2 minute drill that left his defense gassed.

What?

No, it's not. Urban believes in running the ball with RPO. Tim Tebow. Braxton Miller. Cardale Jones. JT Barrett. Chris Leak. The quarterback is never under center.

He's the classic college coach.

 

[erod]

Nick Saban left b/c he quickly realized he had no shot without a QB. He preferred the idea of recruiting one which is why he went back to college where a team's short comings could be addressed immediately. He had no patience for losing.

Do you want a coach who has designed plays with the QB under center for more than goalline plays?

 

[erod]

name one game an Urban Meyer team lost becsuse of Urban Meyer?
remember Dave Campo,Wade Phillips,Jason Garrett?

Name one game he's won in the NFL against equal talent.

This won't be Indiana and Purdue he's playing.

He won with vastly superior talent and recruiting skills.

 

[atlantacowboy]

What?

No, it's not. Urban believes in running the ball with RPO. Tim Tebow. Braxton Miller. Cardale Jones. JT Barrett. Chris Leak. The quarterback is never under center.

He's the classic college coach.

You are flat out wrong. What Urban does is adapt to what his QB can do. JT Barrett and Dwayne Haskins were pure pocket passers not RPO guys.

 

[erod]

I am curious about Robert Saleh, but I wonder if he is just the flavor of the month? His defense certainly plays well, but that defense is more an argument for building a strong defensive line than anything else. Can anyone ever remember a team with a dominant defensive line that did not have a winning record? Add a competent offense, which the Cowboys have and I think you can get deep into the playoffs.

The problem with him is, he has a first-round draft pick at every defensive line position.

Is that coaching, or talent? I suspect it's more about talent.

 

[atlantacowboy]

Do you want a coach who has designed plays with the QB under center for more than goalline plays?

You can't design an offense with a QB under center who can't do 3 and 5 step drops...........like Dak. We need someone who can come here an install an offense that suits Dak Prescott not Tony Romo.

 

[Flamma]

Forget for a moment that he basically got run out of Ohio State for knowingly covering up years of horrific domestic violence for a key assistant coach. Forget that he was coaching a bunch of really evil players at Florida and didn't care.

He's be a good fit in the NFL. But I hear ya, you've listed enough reasons to not like him besides that.

 

[erod]

You are flat out wrong. What Urban does is adapt to what his QB can do. JT Barrett and Dwayne Haskins were pure pocket passers not RPO guys.

Which is why they're just killing it in the NFL.

Name one coach that went straight from college to the NFL and had success other than Jimmy Johnson.

 

[BoysForLife]

I'll make an ironclad case against Chip Kelly with one fact

During his three years in Philadelphia and one year in San Francisco, Chip Kelly was sub .500 (3-4) coaching against Jason Garrett

That is absolutely all I need to know. Case closed

 

[Fmart322]

I don't understand the love for any of these college coaches. Grab a NFL caliber coach so we don't have to hire a new coach in three years.

For the life of me, I just don't understand all this momentum for Urban Meyer.

Forget for a moment that he basically got run out of Ohio State for knowingly covering up years of horrific domestic violence for a key assistant coach. Forget that he was coaching a bunch of really evil players at Florida and didn't care. Forget the myriad of sleezy recruiting tactics he's known for.

What makes him a good NFL coaching candidate? Nobody from college has had success at the NFL level since Jimmy (Pete Carroll was in the NFL for many years before his stint at USC). College isn't a good place to even look unless you pick a very specific type of football mind.

How would Urban Meyer even translate?

He's the prime definition of the RPO offense. It's all he's ever run. It requires the likes of JT Barrett and Tim Tebow to run it, and Dak hardly looks the part for such an offense. Even Alex Smith was pretty much a runner in college under Meyer.

This smells of Chip Kelly allure.

We saw Kelly bring an even more creative version of that offense to the NFL, and it fell SPLAT in the NFL. Despite accolades from everywhere, that was a crash-and-burn of epic proportions. To this day, analysts like Cris Collinsworth and Jon Gruden (at the time) are embarrassed about how they went gooey over Chip and the "new NFL offense of the future."

Did Urban ever run his QB under center? Did he have read routes for his receivers? Did he employ NFL-style play action? Did anything he ran look NFL worthy, or did he just out-recruit the pants off of everybody and run up gaudy numbers against far lesser players?

The same goes for Chris Peterson and that nonsense offense.

The ONLY college guy I would even consider is Lincoln Riley because he focuses on the run game first and utilizes his QB under center a ton. His is an NFL style offense with fresh passing ideas mixed in and a deep passing game.

For what it's worth, Riley toyed with Meyer in Columbus the last time they met.

But I don't think either of them are the right guy. Jerry needs to go NFL first, and big names at that. I start with Bill Belichick, Mike Zimmer, Sean Payton, Greg Roman, Robert Saleh, etc. Shoot for the moon in the dark of the night, then look for quality assistant coach candidates in the NFL after that.

Just don't fall for Chip Kelly, Steve Spurrier, Greg Schiano, Bobby Petrino Nick Saban, etc.

 

[atlantacowboy]

He's be a good fit in the NFL. But I hear ya, you've listed enough reasons to not like him besides that.

But thats a bunch of garbage. He didn't get run out of OSU. He still works there. lol

 

[LucaBrasi]

is there a case FOR Chip Kelly?

 

[Diehardblues]

Hey, you shut the $%^& up!!

Anybody who can turn around Baylor making them a national contender should be worth considering .

And Jerry could handle the PR blow back on him. And Art might just bite the bullet for a shot?

 

[CouchCoach]

I have it on good authority that Chip Kelly will not be through washing the faculties' cars at UCLA to even show up for an interview.

 

[erod]

I'll make an ironclad case against Chip Kelly with one fact

During his three years in Philadelphia and one year in San Francisco, Chip Kelly was sub .500 (3-4) coaching against Jason Garrett

That is absolutely all I need to know. Case closed

Cool, but I don't think you read my OP.

It had nothing to do with Chip Kelly really.

 

[atlantacowboy]

Which is why they're just killing it in the NFL.

Name one coach that went straight from college to the NFL and had success other than Jimmy Johnson.

If it happened once, it can happen again. Urban is a leader of men and is one of the most highly respected coaches in NCAA history. Not many can say that.

 

[ScipioCowboy]

Is there a case for Chip Kelly?

Based on OP, there's more than enough to not like Urban Meyer just for being Urban Meyer. No need to conflate one crappy coach with somebody else. Just call it like it is.

Nobody:

Erod: Chip Kelly? You’re crazy. He would be a terrible choice.

 

[foofighters]

For the life of me, I just don't understand all this momentum for Urban Meyer.

Forget for a moment that he basically got run out of Ohio State for knowingly covering up years of horrific domestic violence for a key assistant coach. Forget that he was coaching a bunch of really evil players at Florida and didn't care. Forget the myriad of sleezy recruiting tactics he's known for.

What makes him a good NFL coaching candidate? Nobody from college has had success at the NFL level since Jimmy (Pete Carroll was in the NFL for many years before his stint at USC). College isn't a good place to even look unless you pick a very specific type of football mind.

How would Urban Meyer even translate?

He's the prime definition of the RPO offense. It's all he's ever run. It requires the likes of JT Barrett and Tim Tebow to run it, and Dak hardly looks the part for such an offense. Even Alex Smith was pretty much a runner in college under Meyer.

This smells of Chip Kelly allure.

We saw Kelly bring an even more creative version of that offense to the NFL, and it fell SPLAT in the NFL. Despite accolades from everywhere, that was a crash-and-burn of epic proportions. To this day, analysts like Cris Collinsworth and Jon Gruden (at the time) are embarrassed about how they went gooey over Chip and the "new NFL offense of the future."

Did Urban ever run his QB under center? Did he have read routes for his receivers? Did he employ NFL-style play action? Did anything he ran look NFL worthy, or did he just out-recruit the pants off of everybody and run up gaudy numbers against far lesser players?

The same goes for Chris Peterson and that nonsense offense.

The ONLY college guy I would even consider is Lincoln Riley because he focuses on the run game first and utilizes his QB under center a ton. His is an NFL style offense with fresh passing ideas mixed in and a deep passing game.

For what it's worth, Riley toyed with Meyer in Columbus the last time they met.

But I don't think either of them are the right guy. Jerry needs to go NFL first, and big names at that. I start with Bill Belichick, Mike Zimmer, Sean Payton, Greg Roman, Robert Saleh, etc. Shoot for the moon in the dark of the night, then look for quality assistant coach candidates in the NFL after that.

Just don't fall for Chip Kelly, Steve Spurrier, Greg Schiano, Bobby Petrino Nick Saban, etc.

No. Just no.

 

[BoysForLife]

What about his offense translates to the NFL?

In fact, Chip's offense translates better than Meyer's, and we saw how that turned out.

Most of the time I agree with your stuff erod, but I think you are really under estimating how good of a coach Urban Meyer is

he is an absolute genius at maximizing the talent at his disposal no matter what their skill sets are. Probably as good or better than any coach I've ever seen, other than maybe Belichick

 

[glimmerman]

It’s gonna be a experiment. Any time you bring one from college. Some don’t do to well and end up running back to college.

JJ is bringing him in because he is a proven winner in college. The question is will he let JJ run the show like JG does. He kept JG for so long because he has him whipped. It’s comfortable for him. Now he will have to establish his dominance again on a new HC.