Dak summed up in a sentence and a question

[Zman5]

Does Drew Brees elevate the lesser talent around him the way Aaron Rodgers does? Or is going to the HOF because he is so efficient?

People forget Brees wasn't a sure thing either after his first four years. He was good but not considered elite. Having Peyton as his HC along with hard work made him elite.
I have no doubt he'd be same playing under JG. He probably would be out of the league from getting injured playing under JG.

 

[Captain-Crash]

what worked in 2016? Run the ball and throwing short-chain moving drives with no turnover. Now defense are stacking the line to make Dak throw and shut down the run. So is this the reason we are playing so bad? The offensive line is still giving him plenty of time, but he's taking too long to find the receivers and is late on his throws which causes high, low and behind throws. he needs to speed up his reads and learn to read the defense better. his footwork is still the issue when pressured he resorts back to hoppy no follow-through. I guess an Andy Reed type could help with this but you still will have an Alex Smith jr. type quarterback. A guy who might not elevate the guys around him. A good system guy, {bus driver} who will win you games against weaker teams and will have a hard time against good teams.

oh well, this is my positive for the day.

 

[PAPPYDOG]

Oh oh even Daks Homers are starting to doubt him....

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

This season you and others expect Prescott to pull out games by his lonesome and if he didn't then the losses are all his fault. BS! The Cowboys had a defense that showed up once in a while, a terrible special teams, a team that leads the league in drops by a team and the Cowboys had the 3rd worst starting position for drives in the league. A good QB can overcome a lot but but there have been good QB's that haven't overcome that much and still didn't win Super Bowls. Why, because as much as some want to put the sole blame on the QB it is a TEAM game. I didn't even mention the bad calls refs have made like the two phantom tripping calls that were a big part of a loss because all teams have gotten screwed by the refs. Just ask the saints of last season. Also a large part of the Cowboys passing game is predicated on the run game for play action passes and when Elliott has 5 subpar games with 60 yards or less what do you think that did for play action. Yes some can blame Prescott for all the losses but they're only fooling themselves. Yes I admit that there is room for improvement for Prescott but he's nowhere close to being as bad as some here try to paint him as.
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This season, I expected him to play like a top 5 QB if he wanted to get paid like a top 5 QB. You can color it any way you want but thats what it comes down to. He didn't do that so here we are. We aren't talking about the Defense. Yes, we had a Defense that played up and down but guess what, we had an Offense that did that too. Last week, the D played good enough to win. The O game the game away and specifically, the play of Prescott. Like it or not, that's what happened. We didn't lose on calls. You can make that point for the Saints, they earned it. They played well enough to go to the NFC Championship game and get screwed. Us, we played well enough to be a .500 team in the sorriest division in pro football. Don't tell me about how the Refs screwed us. You gotta play well enough to begin with in order to have that conversation and we haven't.

I'm not talking to you about everybody. I'm responsible for what I say and everything I've said, I can defend because it's true. Some here believe whatever. Ask me what I believe and I will tell you. Dak is not top 10, he's not top 5, his somewhere in the middle. He doesn't deserve 30 IMO put he will likely get it. He absolutely lost the game last week. You can say he was too injured to play but if that's the case, then sit your arse down and let somebody who can throw a ball 10 yards with accuracy play. If you can't do that, then the writing is on the wall. You talk about team but being part of a team is know when you are a bigger part of the problem then you are the solution as well.

Our passing game is not predicated on the run or vise versa. That's not true at all, or at least it shouldn't be if you are doing it right. Our passing game and run game complement each other. The fact that Dak could not hit guys with any amount of accuracy at any level is why the run game didn't work. The Eagles have the crappiest secondary in the league. They are horrible and they actually showed it last week. What they can do is they can stop the run and play physical at the point of attack, which is the only way they could beat us last week. They played a lot of man to man and brought up help. They played close to the LOS and said, "Zeke, you ain't beating us." They basically challenged Dak and the WRs to beat them and you know what, the WRs did beat them. Dak didn't get it done. He missed at least three wide open TDs in that game. I didn't see one accurate throw from him, even with the throws that he completed. I'm not hating on him, I'm just telling it like it is. You say that Zeke only ran for x amount of yards in however many games but I'm telling you right now, one hand washes the other. If teams are shutting Zeke out, then the passes are there, you just have to hit them. A good QB should not be using that as excuse, a good QB should be licking his chops to see that because it means that you are going to have a big passing day. You should be able to win the majority of those games. Why weren't we able to do that more? Humm.......

 

[shabazz]

More Dak greatness....

Wow, I know he'd like to have that one back. Still cant believe we lost to those chumps

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

This ain’t about wha the coach thinks though this is about what the Jones’s think. Whatever coach comes in is going to have to deal with whatever decision they make.

My point is you don’t let 5 million stop you from signing a franchise player. 5 million a year in this league gets you a fringe player(Cobb did play well though but I think the exception).

Actually, it's about what I think. You asked me, specifically, what I thought. I told you what I thought.

My point is that we've been giving away 5 million here or there for a long time now and what has it gotten us? A bunch of guys making stupid money, more then they need to and zero championships. In 10 years, not a hell of a lot to celebrate.

But I will tell you what 5 mil would have gotten us this season. It would have gotten us a decent backup QB. It would have gotten us the NFC East title. I'm pretty sure about that and I think you would agree there. Maybe not but I'm pretty sure that's the truth.

 

[shabazz]

Oh oh even Daks Homers are starting to doubt him....

Those guys are Hilarious when debating Dak. Sharpe is funny as hell

 

[CWR]

Ya they sure were amazing those 1st 3 games of the season against a hapless Giants, Skins and Dolphins. They were even more amazing in the 4th quarter of all those games they were behind like 27-6 and 21-3 at the end of the 3rd and they were positively astounding against a Saints team that our D only gave up 12 points to and lets not forget last week when our great great #1 ranked (all smoke and mirrors by the way) offense threw up a complete egg against a mediocre defense in the biggest game of the season. In answer to your question of how much do you pay them? the answer is NOT MUCH!!!

I wont defend this offense because I agree with you. I do have to point out though we didn't just beat hapless defenses, we pulverized them. Usually Id expect a bad or mediocre offense to do well, but not dominate to the extent we did. Its one thing to beat bad teams. Its another to obliterate them.

Then the Saints game came and it was as if we packed up the offense all together. We didn't take shots down the field and we became ultra conservative to the point we shortened the field considerably and made the Saints defensive effort much easier. I think Garrett had a big emphasis on the game, but I cant prove that. Its just the difference was striking.

 

[Captain-Crash]

just a question, does an average quarterback make it harder to win games.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

The scheme worked? The only reason they only gave up 17 was because of missed field goals. They had no problems moving the ball on us. And 13 carries in the month of December for Zeke is a fail. Scheme or not. Especially on a bum shoulder that’s moronic.

Yes, the scheme worked. They could have put up 9 more points and with the plays we left on the field, with the easy wide open TDs down field, we still would have beaten them. But lets honest here, our Offense did nothing to help the Defense. NOTHING. They could have sustained more drives, they could have reversed field position and made the Eagles drive the length of the field and they did none of that. They could have helped limit those scoring opportunities and they didn't.

I don't agree with how the game plans were put in place but come on, don't even try to put that on me because I've been leading that charge from the get go and you know it. I want Dak around 250 yards with 18 to 20 completions. I want him being effective and I want the ball in the hands of the run game but to that, you gotta beat guys in the passing game. That's not on Zeke and it's not on me. You want to blame the Coaching Staff, fine. I've got 10 years of sustained history showing that I was never in favor of Garrett. Go right ahead but don't include me in it because I'm all the way on the other side of that discussion. However, the facts are the facts. The plays were there to be made and Dak didn't execute them. That's the truth. At least 21 points left on the field and probably more, to be honest. That's the truth.

 

[Qcard]

Pappydog told him?

Classic!!

This was after @PAPPYDOG, @black label and @Captain-Crash and @mattjames2010 "QB Whisper Conference"

 

[gjkoeppen]

This season, I expected him to play like a top 5 QB if he wanted to get paid like a top 5 QB. You can color it any way you want but thats what it comes down to. He didn't do that so here we are. We aren't talking about the Defense. Yes, we had a Defense that played up and down but guess what, we had an Offense that did that too. Last week, the D played good enough to win. The O game the game away and specifically, the play of Prescott. Like it or not, that's what happened. We didn't lose on calls. You can make that point for the Saints, they earned it. They played well enough to go to the NFC Championship game and get screwed. Us, we played well enough to be a .500 team in the sorriest division in pro football. Don't tell me about how the Refs screwed us. You gotta play well enough to begin with in order to have that conversation and we haven't.

I'm not talking to you about everybody. I'm responsible for what I say and everything I've said, I can defend because it's true. Some here believe whatever. Ask me what I believe and I will tell you. Dak is not top 10, he's not top 5, his somewhere in the middle. He doesn't deserve 30 IMO put he will likely get it. He absolutely lost the game last week. You can say he was too injured to play but if that's the case, then sit your arse down and let somebody who can throw a ball 10 yards with accuracy play. If you can't do that, then the writing is on the wall. You talk about team but being part of a team is know when you are a bigger part of the problem then you are the solution as well.

Our passing game is not predicated on the run or vise versa. That's not true at all, or at least it shouldn't be if you are doing it right. Our passing game and run game complement each other. The fact that Dak could not hit guys with any amount of accuracy at any level is why the run game didn't work. The Eagles have the crappiest secondary in the league. They are horrible and they actually showed it last week. What they can do is they can stop the run and play physical at the point of attack, which is the only way they could beat us last week. They played a lot of man to man and brought up help. They played close to the LOS and said, "Zeke, you ain't beating us." They basically challenged Dak and the WRs to beat them and you know what, the WRs did beat them. Dak didn't get it done. He missed at least three wide open TDs in that game. I didn't see one accurate throw from him, even with the throws that he completed. I'm not hating on him, I'm just telling it like it is. You say that Zeke only ran for x amount of yards in however many games but I'm telling you right now, one hand washes the other. If teams are shutting Zeke out, then the passes are there, you just have to hit them. A good QB should not be using that as excuse, a good QB should be licking his chops to see that because it means that you are going to have a big passing day. You should be able to win the majority of those games. Why weren't we able to do that more? Humm.......

I see you didn't mention any of the drops last week. As for your explanation of of the eagles defense controlling the line of scrimmage that tells me that the o-line didn't do so well and I suppose you think that's Prescott's fault too. Or you didn't mention that last week just like in week 15 the defense again committed penalties on 3rd downs that gave the eagles 1st downs. And you think that Prescott shouldn't have tried to play through his injury and to have let a QB with exactly TWO regular season snaps to his credit would have done so much better. The defense would have blitz the kitchen sink on Rush and he would have been moving the Cowboys backward on a whole lot of 3 and outs. Ya real smart to leave the the game that would have given the Cowboys the NFC East title to a QB with all of 2 NFL snaps that he just got the week before on two running plays.. When the game becomes known as the QB and 33 other players (offense, defense and special teams) then you can place all the blame on Prescott, but until then it's a team game and the entire team has to perform all the time. Also before picking the bad passes try looking at the drops first. Those could have cost the game as much or more than your bad passes.
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[mattjames2010]

Classic!!

This was after @PAPPYDOG, @black label and @Captain-Crash and @mattjames2010 "QB Whisper Conference"

Don't tag me in stupid crap.

 

[Kaiser]

Hey guys, you can trust kaiser.

Afterall, he’s the self-proclaimed war hero and the same guy that tried to pass off that he’s somehow affiliated with CalTech based on the simple fact he walked the campus and has a rotary meeting in one of their rentable spaces.

The guy has lost at life, looool.

Same thing from Cal Poly, more lies and a complete lack of cashews to admit he was wrong.

I said I run a committee at Caltech. I can get a meeting with anyone there and they would laugh at you. (Its the best University in the world and they don't "rent out spaces", clown).

When you said I wasn't a Veteran, I said I had a Bronze Star. I never said I was a hero because I don't even believe in heroes. But you are too much of a cubicle worm to even comprehend that.

 

[mattjames2010]

Same thing from Cal Poly, more lies and a complete lack of cashews to admit he was wrong.

I said I run a committee at Caltech. I can get a meeting with anyone there and they would laugh at you. (Its the best University in the world and they don't "rent out spaces", clown).

When you said I wasn't a Veteran, I said I had a Bronze Star. I never said I was a hero because I don't even believe in heroes. But you are too much of a cubicle worm to even comprehend that.

lol

 

[Kaiser]

Our offense was the best of the three units (not saying much) Don't forget for the losing stretch there in the middle / end of the season, they were not scoring in the first three quarters of the game. So, they had issues also.

All in all, it has just been a really sucky year.

For sure, but the OP started this thread saying Prescott was the issue and teams don't even have to scheme for him. That's laughable.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I see you didn't mention any of the drops last week. As for your explanation of of the eagles defense controlling the line of scrimmage that tells me that the o-line didn't do so well and I suppose you think that's Prescott's fault too. Or you didn't mention that last week just like in week 15 the defense again committed penalties on 3rd downs that gave the eagles 1st downs. And you think that Prescott shouldn't have tried to play through his injury and to have let a QB with exactly TWO regular season snaps to his credit would have done so much better. The defense would have blitz the kitchen sink on Rush and he would have been moving the Cowboys backward on a whole lot of 3 and outs. Ya real smart to leave the the game that would have given the Cowboys the NFC East title to a QB with all of 2 NFL snaps that he just got the week before on two running plays.. When the game becomes known as the QB and 33 other players (offense, defense and special teams) then you can place all the blame on Prescott, but until then it's a team game and the entire team has to perform all the time. Also before picking the bad passes try looking at the drops first. Those could have cost the game as much or more than your bad passes.
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There were a few drops that cost us but honestly, there were way more inaccurate throws, missed opportunities then drops. Way more, down right awful throws. The plays were there to be made. Easy throws. The easiest wide open throws you will ever see in the NFL were there and we flat missed them. Way too many times that happened. You can find every excuse in the world but you can't excuse that. That's 100% on Dak. He was not ready to go so yeah, I would have went another way, especially after seeing what happened in the first half. If Cooper Rush fails, so what. What's the difference there? We would be exactly in the same spot we are now but you know what, Rush would have been way more accurate on those wide open routes. I'm positive of that. He could not have been any more inaccurate so what's to lose? If you are a Dak believer, then you should 100% be on board with Rush because if you are not and you are trying to say that Dak should be starting when he can't even complete a pass for 10 yards with any degree of accuracy, then you've written yourself out of any sort of intelligent conversation on the subject. We know what Dak is at this point. We don't know what Rush is and there is value in that determination.

Lastly, they are not my bad passes. I didn't throw them. Those craptastic passes belong to Dak.

 

[sean10mm]

Hey guys, you can trust kaiser.

Afterall, he’s the self-proclaimed war hero and the same guy that tried to pass off that he’s somehow affiliated with CalTech based on the simple fact he walked the campus and has a rotary meeting in one of their rentable spaces.

The guy has lost at life, looool.

Same thing from Cal Poly, more lies and a complete lack of cashews to admit he was wrong.

I said I run a committee at Caltech. I can get a meeting with anyone there and they would laugh at you. (Its the best University in the world and they don't "rent out spaces", clown).

When you said I wasn't a Veteran, I said I had a Bronze Star. I never said I was a hero because I don't even believe in heroes. But you are too much of a cubicle worm to even comprehend that.

I mean, either Kaiser is a stolen valor scumbag who should be banned (among other things), or he actually has the Bronze Star... and CalPolyTechnique is accusing him of stolen valor to try to win a football argument on the internet.

So uh what the hell?

 

[khiladi]

Trubisky was rated higher than Mahomes in that draft. For every team that hits on a guy like Mahomes, three others give up a ton of draft capital to get a Blake Bortles or Jameis Winston.

Well going by your logic, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers are third in the league in scoring and 1 in passing yards, led by guess who.. Jameis Winston..

not sure you want to use that comparison when your trying to elevate Dak based on yards..

 

[khiladi]

More Dak greatness....

That’s that one read QB for you...