I believe Dak will not sign a contract or the tag

[BoysForLife]

So why not tag him and test the market? Worst case we get 2 first rounders for him and can use the dollars we save to upgrade other positions.

Why are dak lovers so allergic to the idea of competition or testing the market.. like seriously.. the dude has not had to compete for his job once and now you don't want to even see what his value is on the open market before paying him?!

No one is mahomes.. but jackson is doing ok.. and rodgers and brady and wilson and brees.. that bloke matt ryan has also gone ok in the past.. tannehill looks good, newton has won a superbowl.. That bloke Wentz is in the playoffs even with a junkyard team around him.. Goff has been to the superbowl.. In fact there are 12 QBs right now that are getting ready for playoffs.. and ours isn't one of them.

So yeah we may not find mahomes.. but you know we might actually find someone a lot lot better than Dak.

Sadly the Dak-o-phants would be more disappointed if we found a better quarterback.

They'd be absolutely devastated and angry about it. Trust me

 

[zeke21]

Sadly the Dak-o-phants would be more disappointed if we found a better quarterback.

They'd be absolutely devastated and angry about it. Trust me

Sadly I think you are right. I mean this all stems back to 2016 when we didn't even let our top 10 level elite QB come back for first team practices.. lest it upset our 4th round rookie QB.. didn't make sense then and still doesn't.

Ego has got in the way but I still hold hope that maybe there is a flicker of sanity left. Do these fans not realise that there is a good chance we could find a much better QB out there if we actually bothered to look?

But it also goes to why we signed Rush.. and never even gave him a snap really. We can't even have a decent back up presumably as it would put too much pressure on Dak. I've honestly never seen a rookie given such a soft ride. I've spent four years in a daze watching it play out and just wondering why. Dak pretty much sums up everything that is wrong with the Garrett era.. and now even our fans just accept this mediocrity and even applaud it. Sickening.

 

[Roadtrip635]

I will give you the fact that Dak has suffered from poor coaching. If he can get 30M on the open market then let him walk. Seriously just let him walk. Dak will then just be another name to the "gee why did XYZ pay 30M for that bum" discussion. Seriously.. Dak behind a weak Oline or without a top 5 RB.. he would sink to the lower reaches of the QB ranking list and very quickly.

I mean it could even be strategic.. some other team has their cap tied up on a hack and we can laugh from the comfort of knowing we didn't buy into the clown!

Potential is a funny thing because I don't believe it is there. The mistakes Dak are making are the SAME mistakes he made in college.. and the reason why he dropped to the fourth round. His mechanics are poor. his game awareness is poor. his accuracy is poor. he panics in the pocket. He doesn't step up into the pocket to throw. He can't lead receivers. He can't throw the fade pass in the end zone. He struggles with quick lateral passes. These are the facts.. these issues have been known since before he came into the league and are not getting any better.

NFL teams take time to adjust to new QBs.. that is why we see guys like Tebow or Osweiler or whatever put up nice numbers to start with. Then the DCs get hold of tape and punish you.

You can blame coaching for some of it.. and you would be right.. but most of it is that Dak is just really not good in lots of different things. Put Mahomes, Jackson, Rodgers, Brees, Wilson behind Centre this year and we are in the playoffs.. even with our dodgy kicker, special teams and coaching. Legit put one of those elite guys in.. and we are playing this week not sitting and discussing contracts.

And personally I don't think a team takes a 30M chance on his potential.. in previous years yes.. but there seems to have been an adjustment in the NFL and I just don't see it happening.

Some team would be willing to take that chance. Looking at @csirl list, seems pretty accurate, right now, and Tampa or Indy could be 2 possible spots. Tampa with Arians would be a likely spot. They need a QB that can take care of the ball, Dak has shown he can do that, especially compared to Winston. They have 2 stud WRs and a young and improving defense. Instead of using draft capital to move up to try and grab a QB, they can use it to solidify their OL and get a young RB. Arians would be a great coach for Dak and make them playoff contenders right away. With Arians being almost 70, a young QB with experience may be the better option versus grooming a rookie from scratch.

Putting in Beli, Harbaugh, Tomlinson, Payton, Reich or Reid(or Pederson, or Carroll or Zimmer or....) and their staffs and we make the playoffs this year.

 

[zeke21]

Some team would be willing to take that chance. Looking at @csirl list, seems pretty accurate, right now, and Tampa or Indy could be 2 possible spots. Tampa with Arians would be a likely spot. They need a QB that can take care of the ball, Dak has shown he can do that, especially compared to Winston. They have 2 stud WRs and a young and improving defense. Instead of using draft capital to move up to try and grab a QB, they can use it to solidify their OL and get a young RB. Arians would be a great coach for Dak and make them playoff contenders right away. With Arians being almost 70, a young QB with experience may be the better option versus grooming a rookie from scratch.

Putting in Beli, Harbaugh, Tomlinson, Payton, Reich or Reid(or Pederson, or Carroll or Zimmer or....) and their staffs and we make the playoffs this year.

Yes I have agreed multiple times (across the many threads on the topic) that TB and Indy are probably the most likely teams that would pay.. and I also have added Miama. I would also add Chargers because I think Rivers will retire.

So if we say those are the four options. Here is why I don't think they pay Dak:
Tampa:- Dak would be a good fit for all the reasons you mentioned (spot on!) but I think Arians is just as likely to give Winston another year (he did just top out the league passing yards) and draft a rookie QB to develop within his system. I think Arians would be concerned about Daks lack of accuracy and the fact that he has looked under pressure and the Tampa Oline is flimsy at best. For that reason I think Arians is smart enough to see that Dak is likely a sideways move and they probably can keep winston cheaper. Also they have stated within the past 24 hours that they are looking to retain Winston and believe he can get the job done.

Indy:- They like to develop from within. Their Oline is porous and I think they have a lot of redevelopment to occur on the list. I don't think their offence is looking for a mobile QB.. which is where Dak fits best. I think they will persist with Brissett and look to the draft for his replacement. They were sitting at 6-4 heading into the last week of November and the wheels fell off. I don't see them making a big splash of cash for Dak.

Miami are likely to be looking to a solution at QB.. if Dak wants to go play for them.. good luck to him. His career will be over by week 10.

Chargers - this could be a smoky. All depends on if Rivers retires. Could be a good fit for Dak but they need a lot of support around him.

But even if we can agree there are two teams looking.. Tampa and Indy.. I hardly think either of those franchises are the type that have big money to splash around or the inclination to do so. I still don't see Dak getting the big contract offers.

 

[Redsfan_83]

He has the leverage and will force Dallas to use the Tag if he doesn’t get his price.

Semantics...his play down the stretch lost him some leverage in getting the $$$ he was looking for...for that reason I can see Dallas tagging him. Leverage is with Dallas, all he can do is sit and not sign it. There will be plenty of QB's on the market to sign who really aren't much different than Dak is at this point

 

[zeke21]

Semantics...his play down the stretch lost him some leverage in getting the $$$ he was looking for...for that reason I can see Dallas tagging him. Leverage is with Dallas, all he can do is sit and not sign it. There will be plenty of QB's on the market to sign who really aren't much different than Dak is at this point

Dak will be relying on Jerrys ego to get the big dollars. Worst thing Dak can do is sit or test the market. If Jerry sees that no one is interested.. then it is all over for Dak.

I'd be keen to get the Fitz in.. reckon he would have fun behind our line with the box stacked and keyed on Zeke..

 

[Aviano90]

Got to love the Dak haters. They don’t like Dak but see value in every other crappy QB. Reminds me of the Tony Romo days when his haters craved every Brady Quinn-type QB. Set your sights higher, guys. If you want to replace trash, don’t replace it with another piece of trash.

 

[Dak_Attack_09]

Dak will be relying on Jerrys ego to get the big dollars. Worst thing Dak can do is sit or test the market. If Jerry sees that no one is interested.. then it is all over for Dak.

I'd be keen to get the Fitz in.. reckon he would have fun behind our line with the box stacked and keyed on Zeke..

Hahah what fantasy land are you living in, Dak would be signed within in 5 mins by ..... Patriots, Commanders, Cleveland, Chargers, Jets, Colts, Bengals, Titans, Dolphins etc etc

 

[blueblood70]

Dude. Why in the world do you feel the need to change the parameters? No one said anything about trading. This list was solely about teams who would want him. Where'd you get this two 1st rounders baloney from?

C'mon, guys, at least challenge me.

if we tag him he cant be had unless they hand over draft picks which the non excusive tag requires 2 1st.. Dak is ours for 2-3 tags bro or he can sit, its reality's no-one wants player of Daks Tier for 2 1sts and 34mil long term deal.. when you make lists make sure you realize what they would have to give up to have intrest..

now back away from fantasy and realize my response has validity...

theres less then 2 teams that would even discus getting dak that have needs and for sure would not do it, if they do im taking 2 lists all day for him..

 

[Rayman70]

if we tag him he cant be had unless they hand over draft picks which the non excusive tag requires 2 1st.. Dak is ours for 2-3 tags bro or he can sit, its reality's no-one wants player of Daks Tier for 2 1sts and 34mil long term deal.. when you make lists make sure you realize what they would have to give up to have intrest..

now back away from fantasy and realize my response has validity...

theres less then 2 teams that would even discus getting dak that have needs and for sure would not do it, if they do im taking 2 lists all day for him..

Dak will be signed or tagged then traded. Otherwise, hes not leaving the building.

 

[Captain-Crash]

Yes I have agreed multiple times (across the many threads on the topic) that TB and Indy are probably the most likely teams that would pay.. and I also have added Miama. I would also add Chargers because I think Rivers will retire.

So if we say those are the four options. Here is why I don't think they pay Dak:
Tampa:- Dak would be a good fit for all the reasons you mentioned (spot on!) but I think Arians is just as likely to give Winston another year (he did just top out the league passing yards) and draft a rookie QB to develop within his system. I think Arians would be concerned about Daks lack of accuracy and the fact that he has looked under pressure and the Tampa Oline is flimsy at best. For that reason I think Arians is smart enough to see that Dak is likely a sideways move and they probably can keep winston cheaper. Also they have stated within the past 24 hours that they are looking to retain Winston and believe he can get the job done.

Indy:- They like to develop from within. Their Oline is porous and I think they have a lot of redevelopment to occur on the list. I don't think their offence is looking for a mobile QB.. which is where Dak fits best. I think they will persist with Brissett and look to the draft for his replacement. They were sitting at 6-4 heading into the last week of November and the wheels fell off. I don't see them making a big splash of cash for Dak.

Miami are likely to be looking to a solution at QB.. if Dak wants to go play for them.. good luck to him. His career will be over by week 10.

Chargers - this could be a smoky. All depends on if Rivers retires. Could be a good fit for Dak but they need a lot of support around him.

But even if we can agree there are two teams looking.. Tampa and Indy.. I hardly think either of those franchises are the type that have big money to splash around or the inclination to do so. I still don't see Dak getting the big contract offers.

 

[Whyjerry]

So why not tag him and test the market? Worst case we get 2 first rounders for him and can use the dollars we save to upgrade other positions.

Why are dak lovers so allergic to the idea of competition or testing the market.. like seriously.. the dude has not had to compete for his job once and now you don't want to even see what his value is on the open market before paying him?!

No one is mahomes.. but jackson is doing ok.. and rodgers and brady and wilson and brees.. that bloke matt ryan has also gone ok in the past.. tannehill looks good, newton has won a superbowl.. That bloke Wentz is in the playoffs even with a junkyard team around him.. Goff has been to the superbowl.. In fact there are 12 QBs right now that are getting ready for playoffs.. and ours isn't one of them.

So yeah we may not find mahomes.. but you know we might actually find someone a lot lot better than Dak.

Ravens are near the top in terms of organizational excellence. Jackson is in a great situation. Dak has to overcome a toxic culture and the worst coaching staff in the league. You guys seem to forget developing a QB is hard. Real hard. If you think going 4-12 or 3-13 to land a top QB is the way I would be ok with that. Counting on a second rounder, mid or late first rounder or later to become a star, especially in Dallas, means another 3/4/5 years of futility. With Dak and a good HC this team contends next year.

Personally I hope he leaves. He deserves better and the dumb fans that want him gone need to learn a lesson.

 

[Tommy]

It's hard to tell what's going on inside that locker room, but you may have a point. I wish we could hear how players REALLY feel

Your not going to believe anything you hear unless it agrees with what your thinking now.

 

[Redsfan_83]

Got to love the Dak haters. They don’t like Dak but see value in every other crappy QB. Reminds me of the Tony Romo days when his haters craved every Brady Quinn-type QB. Set your sights higher, guys. If you want to replace trash, don’t replace it with another piece of trash.

you don't have to pay trash $35 big ones a season..Dak was looking for more than that and at this moment Dallas was wise to wait. With the mess going on now, who knows if he develops or heaven forbit regress further than he did late in the year

 

[blueblood70]

Good explanation! I totally agree!
I think if Dak was a FA he would still be hard pressed to get more than 22 mil a season like Foles got.

true but if he were a true FA with nothing to give up im sure he might get 28-29 somewhere.. heck we would give him that but he and his agent ** him have skewed perspective on their actual market value..we offered him 3032 but he didnt like the structure or hed be signed already..

its why the non exclusive FA tag is best..give all sides a true market for him..Dak may not like it and hold out but I doubt it..

 

[kskboys]

if we tag him he cant be had unless they hand over draft picks which the non excusive tag requires 2 1st.. Dak is ours for 2-3 tags bro or he can sit, its reality's no-one wants player of Daks Tier for 2 1sts and 34mil long term deal.. when you make lists make sure you realize what they would have to give up to have intrest..

now back away from fantasy and realize my response has validity...

theres less then 2 teams that would even discus getting dak that have needs and for sure would not do it, if they do im taking 2 lists all day for him..

Once again, you're changing the parameters. You really should step back from your fantasy world and read what this was about before you embarrass yourself further.

It was stated that Dak would get very little interest from other teams if he were available. In response to that statement, I simply naming teams that would be interested. You went off on a completely different tangent, namely Dak's value. That's a completely different conversation.

You know, you have some good stuff to bring to a convo. Maybe you should not speak so rudely to people for no reason.

 

[kskboys]

true but if he were a true FA with nothing to give up im sure he might get 28-29 somewhere.. heck we would give him that but he and his agent ** him have skewed perspective on their actual market value..we offered him 3032 but he didnt like the structure or hed be signed already..

its why the non exclusive FA tag is best..give all sides a true market for him..Dak may not like it and hold out but I doubt it..

You are actually agreeing w/ me.

 

[Aviano90]

you don't have to pay trash $35 big ones a season..Dak was looking for more than that and at this moment Dallas was wise to wait. With the mess going on now, who knows if he develops or heaven forbit regress further than he did late in the year

Dak has been hated at $4 million total over 4 years and someone is wanting to pay Dalton $70 million. The hate didn’t just start when he wanted $35 million. It’s always been there. Andy freaking Dalton. That is simply laughable.

 

[kskboys]

Geez, people, the QB position is at a premium. Are you guys really forgetting players like Osweiler and Cousins getting huge contracts? If Dak were to hit the market, I'm not sure what he'd get, but there might even be a bidding war.

 

[Rayman70]

I have the Eason kid rated right behind Burrow...not Tua or Hurts. Maybe its just me. Fromm might be a realistic mid round target for us though.