Henry vs Zeke

[CowboyRoy]

Zeke is better than McCaffery.

I take MC without hesitation.

 

[Sydla]

Zeke is better than McCaffery.

Huh?

 

[Sydla]

“Ball control grinder” = RB that doesn’t make plays

So I want to understand his point.

We are paying $90MM for a ball control grinder?

Whew, boy.

 

[Sydla]

Dude, why in the world do you insist on these childish insults? Are you even capable of adult conversation?

I watch Henry. I read scouting reports. He's not particularly quick to/thru the hole. It's simply a fact. Your pathetic attempt to disclaim this is one of the most childish things I've ever seen on these boards. Grow up and come at me w/ something more adultlike so we can have a discussion. This kiddie stuff is extremely boring.

Neither is Zeke.

Fact is, Henry was the more explosive back compared to Elliott last year. It's hard to argue otherwise.

 

[kskboys]

Neither is Zeke.

He was before he got fat and out of shape.

 

[Sydla]

He was before he got fat and out of shape.

Well, when we getting that Zeke back? Until then, it's kind of silly to try to argue Elliott is better at this point.

 

[kskboys]

Well, when we getting that Zeke back? Until then, it's kind of silly to try to argue Elliott is better at this point.

I'm not.

 

[INCowboysFan]

Well, Henry is what Zeke was supposed to be...a special blend of speed and power. Zeke should be busting long runs like Henry does, but he doesn't. And everyone wants to just say "stacked boxes". Henry faces many more stacked boxes than Zeke does. Henry hits home runs various ways...he uses speed and can make people miss in the open field, he can break tackles, and he can stiff arm. His 99 yard TD is just a monster of a run.

His 66 yard run yesterday started by breaking a tackle 2 yards behind the line of scrimmage and then making Carr miss in order to get into the open field against a 9 man box.

His 99 yd run wasn't a monster run. It was some of the absolute worst tackling I've ever seen.

 

[Cattle_Rancher]

Looking back, I think Buckner would have been the best pick of the guys we would have drafted at #4

I liked him coming out but didn’t think they would take him at 4

 

[G2]

I'd gladly have either

 

[kskboys]

Neither is Zeke.

Fact is, Henry was the more explosive back compared to Elliott last year. It's hard to argue otherwise.

Henry is explosive in the open field. He's extremely unexplosive when he gets the handoff.

Vrabel has done beyond an excellent job at getting Henry some room to get started.

 

[stuckindc]

The fact is we over reached for Elliott because of the mistake we made in 2015 by believing anyone could run behind this OL.

We didn’t need to invest the 4th pick. A solid 2nd round pick with Henry would have been ample response. And he was sitting there when we selected.

for which we went 13-3 and earned a number 1 overall seed in the playoffs...all on the back of Zeke

 

[Number1]

ramsey aint been suspended tho

never thought Ramsey worth the money, but I don't mind head aches

we need some head aches around here ... way too many boy scouts lacking kill in the their mentality

I'll take nut cases like Dandy Don, Lily, Hayes, Duane Thomas, Hollywood, ... Irvin, Haley or even Dez and TO over the iffy playmakers all too common on this team

 

[kskboys]

Smh, as predicted you ignore the statistics that fly in the face of your claims.

I’ve read your job history in the off-topic forum. This one is on me; I should have known you’re out of your depth.

They don't. You're apparently incapable of reading stats.

What's up w/ the childish insults? That's generally the tactic of someone who's losing the argument.

 

[Sydla]

for which we went 13-3 and earned a number 1 overall seed in the playoffs...all on the back of Zeke

Yeah, that's an exaggeration. All on the back of Elliott?

Do you think the Cowboys would have gone 13-3 if they had say, Brandon Weeden at QB in 2016?

Of course not. That's not to say Dak was the reason we went 13-3 either.

 

[Sydla]

They don't. You're apparently incapable of reading stats.

What's up w/ the childish insults? That's generally the tactic of someone who's losing the argument.

I am curious as to why you think the stats he cited somehow don't undermine the point you made.

 

[stuckindc]

The Romo point is something alot of people forget. And its also another example of the FO's short sightedness. 4-12 without Romo exposed alot of weaknessess that team had. Instead of building those weakness, they looked to support they player that gave us maybe one or shots. "Super Bowl or Bust with Romo" is a huge waste of a top 5 pick

Like picking Dak in the 4th? Who came in as a rookie and QB'd the team and allowed our 4th overall pick run this team to a 13-3 and #1 overall seed...that wasn't looking at our weaknesses and providing a back up plan ? along with Collins and Brown..4 Starters on a Playoff team...I think their draft worked out pretty well..

 

[kskboys]

I am curious as to why you think the stats he cited somehow don't undermine the point you made.

They don't appear to measure his burst from getting the ball to the LOS.

 

[stuckindc]

At that spot given the board? Yes. Or take Ramsey. Or shoot, take Buckner. Or trade the pick. All better options.

Taking a RB 4th was a waste of resources. I said it now, I still say it today.

so much so that running back carried the team to the #1 overall seed? that's with a rookie qb...

Yeah, that's an exaggeration. All on the back of Elliott?

Do you think the Cowboys would have gone 13-3 if they had say, Brandon Weeden at QB in 2016?

Of course not. That's not to say Dak was the reason we went 13-3 either.

no...they had a 4th round rookie..

 

[Sydla]

They don't appear to measure his burst from getting the ball to the LOS.

But isnt the argument explosive overall? That's not settled by a stop watch timing of how long it takes them to get to the hole.