The Running QB

[garyo1954]

A QB is paid to win games by any means necessary.

 

[Doomsay]

we probably would have beaten philly if Dak hadn’t been injured by clay roid in that scramble. Got to be a smart runner.

 

[kskboys]

A QB is paid to win games by any means necessary.

Of course, that's obvious. However, when a QB is a runner and lacking passing skills, those "means" are less.

 

[Starforever]

Of course, that's obvious. However, when a QB is a runner and lacking passing skills, those "means" are less.

Nonetheless, a win is a win.

 

[kskboys]

Nonetheless, a win is a win.

Depends on what your goal is. If your goal is a super bowl, a win is not necessarily a win. One dimensional QB's lose in the playoffs and don't win super bowls. So, if you're happy just making the playoffs and losing in the first round, I guess a win is a win.

 

[uvaballa]

They’re ok passers but I don’t see them as NFL proto type pocket passers . Dak maybe more so than Watson. Both are great leaders though and have talent. Just not what I’d prefer.

I’d rather have a Mahomes . I know. Not enough to go around.

But I also dispute these are the only type coming out ( someone else posted)of college as tonight we will see two of the most premiere with Burrows and Lawrence. There’s still hope for the NFL with proto type pocket passers. We don’t have to settle for these hybrid passing talents.

You have to be a bottom barrel team to get a guy like Burriw with all the hype he has. His mobility makes him a better overall QB because he can avoid sacks and get first downs with his legs when needed.

 

[Starforever]

Depends on what your goal is. If your goal is a super bowl, a win is not necessarily a win. One dimensional QB's lose in the playoffs and don't win super bowls. So, if you're happy just making the playoffs and losing in the first round, I guess a win is a win.

Running QB's, have won championships. Check your history. His name wasn't Roger Dodger, for nothing.

 

[kskboys]

Running QB's, have won championships. Check your history. His name wasn't Roger Dodger, for nothing.

No, they have not. Roger was not a running QB. Check your definition!!!!!!

 

[Starforever]

No, they have not. Roger was not a running QB. Check your definition!!!!!!

During that era he was, check your history.

 

[Mobinvans]

Lamar is a once every 10 years freak of nature, obviously running like that isnt sustainable

The Mahomes style of running around is here to stay

 

[Diehardblues]

No, they have not. Roger was not a running QB. Check your definition!!!!!!

Right

Some fans confuse mobile scrambling QB’s as Running QB’s.

 

[Blackrain]

Sometimes I wonder if fans even watch the players they talk about . Romo was a scrambling QB who used his legs to extend plays so he could throw the ball not run past the line of scrimmage , say like Fran Tarkenton . Lamar Jackson is a running QB like Vick and Randall . Dak is a guy like Steve McNair or Culpepper that can run and move the chains when necessary with a body type that can take on opponents and impose there will .

Tony and Fran are not straight arming guys to the ground to pick up first downs like Dak and McNair . Dak and McNair are not out running DBs to the endzone like Jackson and Vick and guys like Jackson , Vick and Randall are the ultimate WEAPON ..Till they get hurt .

Roger Staubach and Steve Young were the ultimate combination of all the best attributes and variations of a mobile QB . They could do it all including win Super Bowls . Thats all I got hope it covers it

 

[eromeopolk]

Over the past year several teams---the Chiefs, Cowboys, but particularly the Texans and the Ravens---seemed to be gravitating to a new QB model, the "running QB." Especially in the case of the Texans and Ravens, the QB run was an instrumental part of the offense. Until the playoffs it looked like this was, in fact, the "new" model. In the past, a Michael Vick or Randall Cunningham always had good early success, but when crunch time came and you had to pass well from the pocket, these guys ran into trouble.

I wonder if, after today, that new model is questioned. This is the second year in a row where Jackson has not come through in a playoff game; Tannehill replacing the (more) mobile Mariota was to some degree a return to the more "normal" QB model. It could be argued that KC is less of a QB-run team than either Houston or Baltimore. Last year, Dallas was somewhat more of a QB run team.

If Watson is bounced (like I think he will be), and if the NFC really comes down to Rodgers and Garappolo as the championship QBs, virtually all of the "running QBs" will be out.

Now I understand oversimplification and, yes, there are variations across the board. Wilson, Rodgers, etc. all run from time to time. But I'm talking about the game plan of featuring the QB, especially Jackson and Watson, as runners. If Houston loses, does this cause a re-thinking and, in particular a re-thinking of Dak and how to properly use him?

Just questions. I don't have answers.

The Ravens allowed a RB to put up 195 yards rushing and a QB that had 72 yards passing account for 3 TD (2 by air 1 by ground).

That is the reason the Ravens lost.

As for as QBs. Give me a QB that can run and I will show you the greatest QB in Dallas Cowboys History...Roger Staubach. Emphasis QB that can Run. The political correct for Staubach, Young, Tarkenton, and Elway was they were QBs that can scramble. Warren Moon, Doug Williams, Cam Newton, Reggie Collier, Randall Cunningham, Mike Vick, Russell Wilson, and Kyler Murray were described as running QBs. The word scramble was never used for these QBs.

Troy Aikman originally enrolled at run happy Oklahoma with Barry Switzer. His 40 yd. time was 4.70 out of college (after he put on 10 pounds at UCLA). However, Aikman said the following " I ran the wishbone at Oklahoma and I ran a 4.6 [40-yard dash] at one point when I was in college."

Don't believe the stereotype hype. A running QB is a QB that can run. A QB that can run has always been the optimal in the NFL (and at every other level of football). NFL ownership, management and coaching has finally embraced all QBs that can run and not just QBs that can scramble. The running QB is a stereotype myth.

 

[kskboys]

During that era he was, check your history.

Roger was a scrambling QB, not a running QB.

 

[kskboys]

The Ravens allowed a RB to put up 195 yards rushing and a QB that had 72 yards passing account for 3 TD (2 by air 1 by ground).

That is the reason the Ravens lost.

As for as QBs. Give me a QB that can run and I will show you the greatest QB in Dallas Cowboys History...Roger Staubach. Emphasis QB that can Run. The political correct for Staubach, Young, Tarkenton, and Elway was they were QBs that can scramble. Warren Moon, Doug Williams, Cam Newton, Reggie Collier, Randall Cunningham, Mike Vick, Russell Wilson, and Kyler Murray were described as running QBs. The word scramble was never used for these QBs.

Troy Aikman originally enrolled at run happy Oklahoma with Barry Switzer. His 40 yd. time was 4.70 out of college (after he put on 10 pounds at UCLA). However, Aikman said the following " I ran the wishbone at Oklahoma and I ran a 4.6 [40-yard dash] at one point when I was in college."

Don't believe the stereotype hype. A running QB is a QB that can run. A QB that can run has always been the optimal in the NFL (and at every other level of football). NFL ownership, management and coaching has finally embraced all QBs that can run and not just QBs that can scramble. The running QB is a stereotype myth.

Moon was not a running QB. I wouldn't call Wilson a running QB either, as he almost always scrambles w/ his eyes downfield looking for receivers. Doug Williams was more of a passer than a runner, wouldn't call him a running QB either. Steve Young was a running QB who learned to not be a running QB.

Not really understanding why you call it a myth. Running QB's generally have designed runs, and are notorious for going through a read or two and taking off. I really don't understand the point of your post.

 

[OmerV]

Running QB's, have won championships. Check your history. His name wasn't Roger Dodger, for nothing.

"Dodge" means "avoid", not "run". He was very rarely ever used within the offense as a runner, and in fact, Landry specifically decreed to Staubach that his purpose was to be a passer and not a runner. Staubach's yards came as a scrambler who could get out of trouble and gain yards with his legs when pass protection broke down.

 

[khiladi]

Lamar’s current flaw is he can’t throw the outside routes. But he can fling the ball. And he is always looking downfield, before he takes off.

 

[khiladi]

Mahomes is like Elway. He’s not a running QB, he had the ability to scramble and throw on the run.

 

[mattjames2010]

During that era he was, check your history.

He was not a running QB. A running QB was Bobby Douglas, who only had two seasons with a high amount of runs (141 times in 1972 and 94 times in 1973). The most Rogers ran was 55 times in 1975, the same with Fran Tarkenton.

 

[THEHEREAFTER]

Dak is more Watson/Mahommes/Wilson in terms of the "running qb" type model. Dak is essentially a mobile pocket passer who's athletic enough to run feature (read option) from time to time. He's not a Jackson or a run based-feature type QB.