Twitter: Cool QB Graphic

[percyhoward]

We need to introduce a garbage time analytic. Dak would top 5 in that stat.

Garbage time performance is just one puzzle piece though. There's a reason every advanced metric ranks him in the Top 10. Yes, they take garbage time (and schedule strength) into account, but they also factor in 3rd-down performance, depth of target, sack avoidance, completion percentage above expectation, and they also consider dropped passes.

All those elements considered together give you a clearer, more complete picture than just picking out one element. And you have to consider them for every QB in order to know where your QB actually stacks up. These two things seem to be the hardest for some to understand.

 

[eternaljester81]

What Dak lacks most is consistency. He has the tools for the job, he just doesn't always use them properly.

In my opinion, that's where coaching can make a very big difference.

 

[CWR]

Dak shows an acceptable chart, despite, the team support this year having been far less acceptable, imho. The team's overall morale obviously suffered with the coaching and team cohesiveness also suffering accordingly.

Hopefully, more astute coaching and the team's support for this newly established regime might see them performing more intensely, even though many required adjustments for a new staff should be quite demanding.

Most assuredly, the necessary tweaks and learning curve will be considerable. The many changes that have taken place with the new coaches will likely demand a generous helping of patience from the fans.

The learning curve is one reason I am happy to keep KM. A smart approach would be to slowly add to the new offense and not completely change everything over night.

 

[jterrell]

You can only go by what you watch... Unless you can put all of these players in the exact same situation... it really means nothing.

If you could take all of the cowboys games, every play and insert Aaron Rodgers, Carr, Dalton, Mahomes... whoever... Then, we have something that matters.
Outside of doing that you have your eyes, and that is really about it for comparing QBs.

I am saying that for every QB, not just Dak...


BUT COME ON....

We have the Dak lovers, Dak haters, The people on the fence, the highly critical, etc...

When it comes to Dak... really... if the FO thought he was as good as Mahomes, Wilson, and many of the others out there... Do you really think they would have waited?

Does anyone really think Jerry wouldn't have signed him, and been pounding his chest that they have their new QB god?

So obviously it isn't just the people on this board, the organization wasn't or isn't sure as well...

Do you think Jerry after the season Mahomes had last year, wouldn't have made him the highest paid QB at the beginning of the season?

These guys are around Dak every day... They know what they have in Dak. They are trying to assess what it is really worth to them, and to the team.

I mean it isn't just some of us that are skeptical when it comes to Dak... the friggin FO is as well. When has anyone remembered Jerry
being this patient to get deals done, with what he thinks is a homerun, no matter how bad or good it is?

Stephen isn't stopping him... if Jerry was that gung ho, this deal would have been done before the first snap of the season for sure.
When Jerry wants to do something, no one stops him from doing it, other than him.

Stop with the tarot card reading nonsense while you are behind.
As has occurred at every turn for 4 years any data regarding Dak Prescott has been positive.
He is the top 10 QBs easily. He is likely about the same level Tony Romo was at his peak.

Stop blaming idiot eyeballs for your hard head and broken heart.

Dak was phenomenal much of the season and only fell off after injury to his hand then shoulder.

Dak's AGENT cut off contract talks last year.
His AGENT knows he will get much more money the longer he waits.

Dak is the QB here 5 more years minimum, deal with it.

 

[phildadon86]

My definition of garbage time is when it’s late 3rd/4th and the opponent has about 24-31 points and you only have 3-7 points. I know football is crazy, but it’s almost impossible to come back from points like that in a single quarter. Romo had garbage time games too. I’m not singling Dak out here. Romo just had more talent and did more with less IMO.

What a joke. More with less? Romo had an all pro OL, a HOF tight end, HOF WR and then another All pro WR, and a great running back in demarco murray. Yeah Romo had no talent to work with. lol. Neither QB we are discussing has ever had a great defense. Do you see the common denominator here?

 

[nobody]

That's a really interesting chart. Thanks for sharing! Man, you really have to zoom in to see some of them *coughWentzcough*

 

[jterrell]

What Dak lacks most is consistency. He has the tools for the job, he just doesn't always use them properly.

That is completely untrue.

Dak is consistent as any QB in the game. In both his strengths and weaknesses.
He has continued to improve and have better technique year over year to the point he was an elite level QB last year up until he was injured.
Then yes his throws looked pretty rough.

You guys might need to watch other QBs to understand what lacking consistency looks like.
You ever watched Wentz QB a game? Aaron Rodgers?
Those guys can look terrible to otherworldy in the same game.

 

[jterrell]

My definition of garbage time is when it’s late 3rd/4th and the opponent has about 24-31 points and you only have 3-7 points. I know football is crazy, but it’s almost impossible to come back from points like that in a single quarter. Romo had garbage time games too. I’m not singling Dak out here. Romo just had more talent and did more with less IMO.

ROFL. Tony Romo had very little talent by NFL standards.
Thus his not being drafted AT ALL.
What he had was a head for the game and a competitive streak.

Dak is bigger, stronger and faster. That is raw talent.

Don't confuse hard work and game prep over YEARS and YEARS as talent.
Romo knows what is coming on offense and defense most plays still TODAY.
If had elite raw talent he would have been a multi-time NFL MVP.

 

[Captain-Crash]

they left off another part of the graph, dak lovers have never blamed dak for a loss. it's always somebody else's fault.
his would be a solid color with that stat. lmao

 

[starfan1]

My definition of garbage time is when it’s late 3rd/4th and the opponent has about 24-31 points and you only have 3-7 points. I know football is crazy, but it’s almost impossible to come back from points like that in a single quarter. Romo had garbage time games too. I’m not singling Dak out here. Romo just had more talent and did more with less IMO.

yes the whole poor tony story again. If we hadnt heard it enough while he was here we still get to hear it. Tony had no OL (Leanord Davis 3 time Pro bowler, Flozell Adams 5 time but 3 during Tonys years and Gurode 5 time and then our current line for a few years). People look at that line that Costa and company and make these blanket statements but the fact is that was not common place. He had Witten his entire career. Dez,TO Austin Murray. Say what you want about Barber but before he was over used the running back by committee that he Julius Jones and Felix Jones had was productive and formidable. Now i think it was stupid to Pay Barber and make him your main back. That's just offense he had pro bowlers on the defensive side I wont list them and while their defenses were largely middle of the road they were respectable some years.

I realize you didnt bring romo into this thread but using him to try and slight dak is just another way for you to fuel your incessant Dak sucks campaign. if you want to say Romo's pro bowlers were a bit over rated I wouldnt argue that alot but so are Daks.

This crazy nonsense about this roster being this huge Juggernaut is nonsense. The fact is its a good roster not elite and if you want to talk about an eye test with dak do it with the others as well. Yes romo was a better QB over the span of his career this don't need to turn into another Tony vs dak thread. The common denominator that those 2 QB's shared is now gone
This team with all their so called talent are mental midgets and that includes dakota they have under achieved across the board and on both sides of the ball and Im ecstatic they they did a complete overhaul of the coaching staff. They all needed to go. Hot Boys my ***.

 

[Super_Kazuya]

they left off another part of the graph, dak lovers have never blamed dak for a loss. it's always somebody else's fault.
his would be a solid color with that stat. lmao

If they made a graph for Dak against teams other than the Giants and Commanders, it might not visible to the naked eye.

 

[EST_1986]

Wow, there are a few pretty empty shells there.

one shell tore up this defense sadly

 

[Bigdog]

Dak and Maholmes have very similar charts

Yes but the one big thing that this chart does not show is Mahomes is still in the playoffs and going to his second consecutive AFC championship game while Dak has been home watching those games the past 4 years. Hopefully that will change.

 

[Creeper]

I don't see a correlation of any of these stats to wins. Look at Josh Allen's chart. He runs well but in every other category he is near the bottom. The Bills went to the playoffs. There is one stat that is common to almost every playoff team - Interceptions. Rodgers, Brees, Wilson, Mahomes, Jackson, Tannehill, and Cousins are all among league leaders in fewest interceptions.

Here are the league leaders in TD/Int Ratio: Brees (6.8), Rodgers (6.5), Wilson(6.2), Jackson (6.0) and Mahomes (5.2). They are followed by Bridgewater, Cousins, Wentz, Stafford and Tannehill. Dak is 15th with a ratio of 2.7.

Dak is ahead of Josh Allen, Watson and Garoppolo in this stat (of playoff QBs).

All of the stats shown in the chart are relevant but I think the TD to INT ration is still the best indicator of QB performance even though its not perfect.

Also, if running ability is factored into the qb performance, then where would that leave a guy like Dan Marino?

 

[Future]

Except Mahomes has a slightly better Completion rate and sack avoidance, and a much, much better interception avoidance.

I'd be curious to know how they calculated that. At least 5 of Dak's 11 INTs weren't his fault.

 

[Ranched]

Looked like a new air system to me.

 

[MysteryIceGuro]

they left off another part of the graph, dak lovers have never blamed dak for a loss. it's always somebody else's fault.
his would be a solid color with that stat. lmao

That's actually the funny part. People that are pro-Dak like to accuse us of switching it up, however, they do it themselves. When Dak wins, it's all on him. When he loses, they say it was Zeke, the O-line, the defense, or some other wild excuse.

 

[Runwildboys]

I'd be curious to know how they calculated that. At least 5 of Dak's 11 INTs weren't his fault.

I agree, several weren't his fault. I don't know how many were Mahomes's fault though. Regardless, all stats are faulted by nature when it comes to a game with so many variables.

 

[EST_1986]

That's actually the funny part. People that are pro-Dak like to accuse us of switching it up, however, they do it themselves. When Dak wins, it's all on him. When he loses, they say it was Zeke, the O-line, the defense, or some other wild excuse.

this past season Dak is a lot of the reason we at least got to 8 games, previous season it wasn't so much him until it was crunch time.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Yeah but has Dak won a game vs the Patriots on a 16 game win streak in a Super Bowl in New York during a snowstorm and an earthquake when his offensive line is full of backups and his running back is girl or a dog or something.

THEN we will know Dak is a good qb.