Could Tank become the next Dez

Toruk_Makto

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You say he was doubled but why then wouldn't he be doubled in 2017 and 2018 when he put up big sack numbers and had no opposing DE to help take pressure off of him from being doubled? This season Dallas had Quinn on the other side and he put up double digit numbers in sacks so why wouldn't an offense double him instead?

The doubling argument doesn't hold weight. You can say his decision to postpone his surgery played into the season or you can say he was simply performing for a new contract and once he got it, his performance dropped dramatically.
Sack totals just vary man. When he had 14.5 two years ago and 10.5 last year think about it...those represent 15 snaps and 11 snaps collectively in the entire season.

It just makes no sense to have that be the primary way people judge edge defenders. Same with interceptions.
 

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I've been as down on Dlaw as anyone but as far as I'm concerned everybody starts off with a clean slate now that we're free of the career killer and the rest of the incompetent coaching staff.
 

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Is really wish contracts weren’t knowledge to the public. It would be interesting to see how these discussions go if we didn’t know how much guys were making.

That would be interesting for sure.

In the case of Lawrence, not sure it would be a better situations for him. The drop off in production is the real issue and that's there, regardless of the money so I don't know.....
 

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That would be interesting for sure.

In the case of Lawrence, not sure it would be a better situations for him. The drop off in production is the real issue and that's there, regardless of the money so I don't know.....
Your right. I guess that’s my thing. To bring up his money is such a cop out. He was solid last year but it is a concern that his production seems to be slipping.
 

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Your right. I guess that’s my thing. To bring up his money is such a cop out. He was solid last year but it is a concern that his production seems to be slipping.

True statement. I was not in favor of his contract but it's done now. The issue now is his ability to continue putting together strong seasons.
 

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Sack totals just vary man. When he had 14.5 two years ago and 10.5 last year think about it...those represent 15 snaps and 11 snaps collectively in the entire season.

It just makes no sense to have that be the primary way people judge edge defenders. Same with interceptions.


Then based on your logic why give him over $100 Million for just 15 plays one year and 11 the next?????
 

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Then based on your logic why give him over $100 Million for just 15 plays one year and 11 the next?????
They obviously didn't.

Amazingly they seem to value the other 400 snaps he plays.

And again he had a 86.3 grade from PFF this year. That's very good.
 

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Dez production > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Law production
 

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Tank seems to be following the same career trajectory as Dez. Best on the team but not top 5. Complained until he got his money. Received top money. Then year one under his new deal he disappeared. About all he has done since he got his new deal is “talked” a lot.

I am concerned that he got his money and like Dez really isn’t all that into football at this point. Just talks a lot, and does very little.

This contract could be a “bust” boys and girls.
Lawrence didnt have the sacks but he is one of the best all around DEs in the NFL. He's a SDE which has more responsibility then just sacks. His first responsibility to to beat a double team, and cover the edge vs the run, then attack the QB. He does it just about as good as anybody in the NFL. Recovering from a surgery, granted by his fault as he waited until his deal was done to have the surgery. But from what we saw it was more about his agent playing stupid. Because when Lawrence spoke with Stephen it got done quick.

Fans said he needed to show up in 2017 and he has 14.5 sacks, then they said franchise him and let him show it he came back with 10.5. Now that he got his deal and he has a down yr only in sacks they question his money and his production.

The only production that was down for Lawrence was sacks. But whats more of the answer to why? Is it because he's declining? OR maybe the DTs were very bad in 2019?

Now go back and look at plays where this rotated DL was in.

SDE Lawrence
DT Bennett
NT Collins
WDE Quinn

Lawrence was a beast in this lineup. Actually they all were. But the genius coaches rarely played this except on 3rd and long. This defensive scheme was a big mess this yr. And there's really proof how bad it was. Look at how many players on the defense had down yrs.
 

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Lawrence didnt have the sacks but he is one of the best all around DEs in the NFL. He's a SDE which has more responsibility then just sacks. His first responsibility to to beat a double team, and cover the edge vs the run, then attack the QB. He does it just about as good as anybody in the NFL. Recovering from a surgery, granted by his fault as he waited until his deal was done to have the surgery. But from what we saw it was more about his agent playing stupid. Because when Lawrence spoke with Stephen it got done quick.

Fans said he needed to show up in 2017 and he has 14.5 sacks, then they said franchise him and let him show it he came back with 10.5. Now that he got his deal and he has a down yr only in sacks they question his money and his production.

The only production that was down for Lawrence was sacks. But whats more of the answer to why? Is it because he's declining? OR maybe the DTs were very bad in 2019?

Now go back and look at plays where this rotated DL was in.

SDE Lawrence
DT Bennett
NT Collins
WDE Quinn

Lawrence was a beast in this lineup. Actually they all were. But the genius coaches rarely played this except on 3rd and long. This defensive scheme was a big mess this yr. And there's really proof how bad it was. Look at how many players on the defense had down yrs.


LOL ..oh pleeeeaz. those DTs don't have anything to do with that RT that Dlaw cannot beat one on one.
now the excuses have went from shoulder,... to double teams ...and now to the DTs. .. which are the very same DT starters DLaw had aside with him in 2018 (Malik and A. Woods) when he had another double digit sack season, .. and in the very same scheme, and under the same coaches he’s been with since Marinelli- Lett arrived on the scene.

When Dlaw is going against that RT, that's one on one block he just has to beat.
when he's schemed inside, he has to beat the one on one vs the OG or get freed rolling on a stunt or twist. He's not getting, rewarded the big payday and one of the highest, richest contracts in NFL history among defensive players, because of what Antwann Woods does beside him.

Now you may be right about the recovery shoulder period, but what's complex is he had previously played with a bum shoulder and in according to his own words, for years.
but he declined in performance, after the surgery was done. and here's my very own excuse for Dlaw again, could that recovery period

and genius coaches did more than what people realized, that helped killed us even more so - such as strangely having the big impact stars of the DL (ala DLaw, Quinn) , actually out of the lineup
and on the sideline, while opponents are.inside the red zone scoring territory. WTH.!..
no DL rotation schemes should be designed to have your best players out and on sideline with opponents that critically close to scoring territory. - just makes no sense at all. :facepalm:
 

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LOL ..oh pleeeeaz. those DTs don't have anything to do with that RT that Dlaw cannot beat one on one.
now the excuses have went from shoulder,... to double teams ...and now to the DTs. .. which are the very same DT starters DLaw had aside with him in 2018 (Malik and A. Woods) when he had
another double digit sack season, .. and in the very same scheme, and under the same coaches he’s been with since Marinelli- Lett arrived on the scene.

When Dlaw is going against that RT, that's one on one block he just has to beat. when he's schemed inside, he has to beat the one on one vs the OG or get freed rolling on a stunt or twist.

Now you may be right about the recovery shoulder period, but what's complex is he had previously played with a bum shoulder and in according to his own words, for years.
but he declined in performance, after the surgery was done. and here's my very own excuse for Dlaw again, could that recovery period

and genius coaches did more than what people realized, that helped killed us even more so - such as strangely having the big impact stars of the DL (ala DLaw, Quinn) , actually out of the lineup
and on the sideline, while opponents are.inside the red zone scoring territory. WTH.!..
no DL rotation schemes should be designed to have your best players out and on sideline with opponents that critically close to scoring territory. - just makes no sense at all. :facepalm:

You clearly dont know what SDE and WDE mean. Ill just leave it at that.
 

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True statement. I was not in favor of his contract but it's done now. The issue now is his ability to continue putting together strong seasons.
Yeah I like his game but for that money....I think you want more sacks than what he’s giving.
 

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Tank seems to be following the same career trajectory as Dez. Best on the team but not top 5. Complained until he got his money. Received top money. Then year one under his new deal he disappeared. About all he has done since he got his new deal is “talked” a lot.

I am concerned that he got his money and like Dez really isn’t all that into football at this point. Just talks a lot, and does very little.

This contract could be a “bust” boys and girls.
His rhetoric tells me his head is there..

his play says not yet.

I just think his surgery was done too late in the season to give him enough time to get the deep healing needed.

I do not think his contract has anything to do with his issues.

We have to wait and see how this pans out come September.

Don't take a 3 month snap shot of the 2019 season in 2019 that was doomed to failure..

and let it permeate your ability to see.

People are trying to the same about Zeke in other threads.

Nonsense.

:thumbup:
 
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I’m sorry what was his pass rush win rate? Wasn’t he like 3rd in the league and Quinn was 1st? Lawrence was a beast against the run too
 

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His rhetoric tells me his head is there..

his play says not yet.

I just think his surgery was done too late in the season to give him enough time to get the deep healing needed.

I do not think his contract has anything to do with his issues.

We have to wait and see how this pans out come September.

Don't take a 3 month snap shot of the 2019 season in 2019 that was doomed to failure..

and let it permeate your ability to see.

People are trying to the same about Zeke in other threads.

Nonsense.

:thumbup:

I realize that is a possibility. I’m actually hoping that is the case.

When Terrell Owens came here after he had torched a couple of other franchises did anyone expect him to not do the same here, at some point? Probably not.

I realize that Dez and Tank are two different people and the result may end up being far different. BUT, it is really HARD to make the case that Tank wasn’t a selfish dude to wait on surgery. It’s HIS OWN FAULT if it affected his season. You may give him a pass for that, but I don’t.

I hope he is healthy this year and gets his head right. But in reality when some of these guys get paid, they sort of check out. I think Dez was one of those guys. Tank MAY be one of those guys. The verdict on that remains undetermined. But I don’t like the evidence we have in front of us so far.
 

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Yeah I like his game but for that money....I think you want more sacks than what he’s giving.

I'd even take Pressures and/or hits. I mean, I don't care how you get there, just make the QB uncomfortable.
 

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Tank seems to be following the same career trajectory as Dez. Best on the team but not top 5. Complained until he got his money. Received top money. Then year one under his new deal he disappeared. About all he has done since he got his new deal is “talked” a lot.

I am concerned that he got his money and like Dez really isn’t all that into football at this point. Just talks a lot, and does very little.

This contract could be a “bust” boys and girls.

He already is the next Dez, i.e., richer than you. Hence the vitriol.
 
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