Free agent QB situations should be leverage for contract negotiations

[KJJ]

I don’t know.. Why didn’t we switch to Tony Romo when QC got cut from the team..

Maybe the coach isn’t ready to put him out there yet. Maybe they felt like going with Bridgewater until they started struggling.

BTW, I don’t know if he is so good or not.. I just love his chances of being good with his skill set and Sean Payton calling the shots.

We didn’t switch to Romo in 2004 because he was only going into his second season. Parcells brought in Vinny who was a pure passer. Bridgewater is a much better passer than Hill which is why he took over for Drew Brees. You’re too fixated on everything that Hill can do well. He’s an outstanding gadget player with size and speed. He can out run defenders and run over them and he can catch passes. He can make an occasional good throw but he’s not a pure passer.

Tim Tebow convinced the Broncos to draft him in the first round because of all the things he could do. He’s been out of the league for years because he wasn’t a consistent passer. You have to be able to throw the football consistently to be an every down NFL QB. The worst skill Taysom Hill has is passing the football. All you have to do is look at his passing numbers. He’s just like Tebow he makes an occasional good throw down the field but he’s not consistent!

 

[CouchCoach]

Don't know yet what is going to happen with Brady, Brees, Bridgewater or Rivers.

Also don't know what this HC prefers with this situation. Some assume he came into the interview wanting to keep Prescott but what if he really does? What if he sees something in him that just clicks with offense he has in mind? And of those 4 QB's above, he throws on the move better than the first 3.

Leverage is interesting because some here are looking at Wilson, Ryan and Rodgers money and saying Prescott isn't deserving. But if you watched Garoppolo in all 3 playoff games at 27.5M, can we say he's not deserving of better than that?

The leverage only exists with Prescott because Booger's made it abundantly clear he wants to keep him.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Don't know yet what is going to happen with Brady, Brees, Bridgewater or Rivers.

Also don't know what this HC prefers with this situation. Some assume he came into the interview wanting to keep Prescott but what if he really does? What if he sees something in him that just clicks with offense he has in mind? And of those 4 QB's above, he throws on the move better than the first 3.

Leverage is interesting because some here are looking at Wilson, Ryan and Rodgers money and saying Prescott isn't deserving. But if you watched Garoppolo in all 3 playoff games at 27.5M, can we say he's not deserving of better than that?

The leverage only exists with Prescott because Booger's made it abundantly clear he wants to keep him.

This is the truth.

 

[KJJ]

Did I ever say that he was going to lead us to a championship? All of this is on you. None of this did I say. Here is a question for you. Did you like Tony Romo? How many passing yards did he have when he became the starter? How many completions etc?

Why would you love Taysom Hill if you don’t think he can lead us to a championship? The QB we have can lead us to a championship. What sense does it make using a gadget player as an every down QB? I liked Romo but he turned the football over too much especially in critical situations. I said years ago we would never win a championship with him because of untimely turnovers. Romo became the starter entering his fourth season in the NFL. He became the starter because he was lighting it up in practice and Bledsoe sucked. Romo was a gifted passer not a gadget guy. According to reports he was outperforming Bledsoe in practice and in training camp entering the 2006 season.

 

[garyv]

We are signing Dak and these other players don't matter. This offseason will be just like the Dez Bryant negotiations, they will tag him until the market rate is set for similar players and then match that dollar for dollar.

But there will be five million threads and four billion posts prior to that happening.

If Dak is wanting to be paid as the top player in the NFL that's simply crazy. He is by far not the best player in the NFL.

 

[KJJ]

Did you like Tony Romo?

You should know I like Romo because back in 2013 we got into a big multi page argument about him. You didn’t want to re-sign him and wanted to go with the lesser QB. You even went as far as to say we wouldn’t be able to get him under the salary cap. lol I told you he would be re-signed and that we would get him under the salary cap and to book it! Here we are 7 years later and you’re doing the same thing with Dak. You don’t want him paid and would rather go with a lesser QB. He may have to play under the franchise tag in 2020 but I’m telling you right now he will be re-signed and you can book it!

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Why would you love Taysom Hill if you don’t think he can lead us to a championship? The QB we have can lead us to a championship. What sense does it make using a gadget player as an every down QB? I liked Romo but he turned the football over too much especially in critical situations. I said years ago we would never win a championship with him because of untimely turnovers. Romo became the starter entering his fourth season in the NFL. He became the starter because he was lighting it up in practice and Bledsoe sucked. Romo was a gifted passer not a gadget guy. According to reports he was outperforming Bledsoe in practice and in training camp entering the 2006 season.

Well, have you read any of my posts? I mean, it's not a stretch. I advocate a young QB option to develop and a Vet QB. Now, obviously Taysom Hill isn't the Vet option right? So what does that make him?

For the record, we don't have a QB. The "QB we have" that you are referring to is who exactly? It's not Dak, he's not under contract. Not even Rush because he's not under contract either, I don't believe. You see Hill in a very different light then I do and then does Nola, BTW. You never answer the question I asked but instead, say that you liked Romo but he turned the ball over too much. Well, I'm here to tell you that Romo was better then Dak was when he became a starter IMO. You say he became the starter because he was lighting it up in Practice. OK, do you know what Hill is doing in Practice? I don't, I just know what I saw him do at BYU. Nola is not a stupid organization and Peyton is far from an average HC. HIll has been working with Payton since 2017. I guarantee he's not the same QB he was coming out and I liked what I saw from him then. Maybe you didn't, but I did.

For the record, I mentioned Bridgewater among others, as options. This kid was posted as a side note. He is not my first option as a Vet and I think that's clear in what I posted but if it was not, then I'm making it clear now. He would not be my first choice as the Vet but he might be a guy that I would bring in in place of a draft choice, assuming we didn't get a decent development guy in the draft.

Lastly, if Dak and his agent aren't signing 35 mil a year, then I'm taking anybody over Dak because you can't sign up for that. You can't let Dak and his agent hold the entire team hostage with salary demands. I'm sorry, I am not in for that and so, I would take anybody over that situation because I know that I could get out of anything I sign with a Vet or a developmental guy. I can't get out of that situation with Dak and Frances if I go down that path IMO.

 

[CATCH17]

This is the worst situation for MM .

Big Mac can't do much with this . He has no QB .

Dak is solid.. He'll just have to find a way to win with a veteran team and a mediocre QB who is set to make a ton of money.

Amari Cooper, Dak, and Elliot are going to get a lot of money and most superbowl teams don't pay their WR's, RB, and QB a ton and if they do it's after they have won.

 

[KJJ]

Well, have you read any of my posts? I mean, it's not a stretch. I advocate a young QB option to develop and a Vet QB. Now, obviously Taysom Hill isn't the Vet option right? So what does that make him?

For the record, we don't have a QB. The "QB we have" that you are referring to is who exactly? It's not Dak, he's not under contract. Not even Rush because he's not under contract either, I don't believe. You see Hill in a very different light then I do and then does Nola, BTW. You never answer the question I asked but instead, say that you liked Romo but he turned the ball over too much. Well, I'm here to tell you that Romo was better then Dak was when he became a starter IMO. You say he became the starter because he was lighting it up in Practice. OK, do you know what Hill is doing in Practice? I don't, I just know what I saw him do at BYU. Nola is not a stupid organization and Peyton is far from an average HC. HIll has been working with Payton since 2017. I guarantee he's not the same QB he was coming out and I liked what I saw from him then. Maybe you didn't, but I did.

For the record, I mentioned Bridgewater among others, as options. This kid was posted as a side note. He is not my first option as a Vet and I think that's clear in what I posted but if it was not, then I'm making it clear now. He would not be my first choice as the Vet but he might be a guy that I would bring in in place of a draft choice, assuming we didn't get a decent development guy in the draft.

Lastly, if Dak and his agent aren't signing 35 mil a year, then I'm taking anybody over Dak because you can't sign up for that. You can't let Dak and his agent hold the entire team hostage with salary demands. I'm sorry, I am not in for that and so, I would take anybody over that situation because I know that I could get out of anything I sign with a Vet or a developmental guy. I can't get out of that situation with Dak and Frances if I go down that path IMO.

I’m not going to get into a marathon over this. Me and you have been through marathon multipage arguments before and it’s a waste of time. You’re one of those that can’t be convinced of anything you have to be proven wrong. We do have a QB even though his contract is up because we can franchise him. Sooner or later he will be re-signed and you can book it!

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

You should know I like Romo because back in 2013 we got into a big multi page argument about him. You didn’t want to re-sign him and wanted to go with the lesser QB. You even went as far as to say we wouldn’t be able to get him under the salary cap. lol I told you he would be re-signed and that we will get him under the salary cap and to book it! Here we are seven years later and you’re doing the same thing with Dak. You don’t want him paid and would rather go with a lesser QB. He may have to play under the franchise tag in 2020 but I’m telling you right now he will be re-signed and you can book it!

I know exactly, which is why I brought up Romo to begin with. I didn't like the contract, it was stupid and it didn't work. You said we would win a championship and we didn't. You said it wouldn't effect cap and it did. My opinion on how you manage the QB position has not changed. It's stupid to allow agents and QBs to dictate cap. So it should be no surprise to you that I am not for this now.

You saying that he will be signed is not a revelation. He will either be signed or be traded. Simple as that. But allowing Dak to dictate to the team is stupid. Was stupid to do it with Romo and it's still stupid IMO.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I’m not going to get into a marathon over this. Me and you have been through marathon multipage arguments before and it’s a waste of time. You’re one of those that can’t be convinced of anything you have to be proven wrong. We do have a QB even though his contract is up because we can franchise him. Sooner or later he will be re-signed and you can book it!

Again, we don't have a QB and the wise thing to do is to explore every option available to you at the position. You say you don't want to get into a multipage argument but yet, you started down this road.

We don't agree and that's fine but don't try and tell me that Hill is not good because he hasn't thrown whatever number of passes in the NFL. Tony threw zero and was named starter and you thought he was the second coming. Can't have it both way.

 

[CATCH17]

I know exactly, which is why I brought up Romo to begin with. I didn't like the contract, it was stupid and it didn't work. You said we would win a championship and we didn't. You said it wouldn't effect cap and it did. My opinion on how you manage the QB position has not changed. It's stupid to allow agents and QBs to dictate cap. So it should be no surprise to you that I am not for this now.

You saying that he will be signed is not a revelation. He will either be signed or be traded. Simple as that. But allowing Dak to dictate to the team is stupid. Was stupid to do it with Romo and it's still stupid IMO.

I was ok with the Romo contract at the time. I thought he was worth it and still do.. The problem is we could never piece a team around him with that contract. Something was always lacking on the team because of it.

2014 the offense was awesome and full of draft picks along the line but we had no defense. Our defense was running the ball.

 

[KJJ]

I know exactly, which is why I brought up Romo to begin with. I didn't like the contract, it was stupid and it didn't work. You said we would win a championship and we didn't. You said it wouldn't effect cap and it did. My opinion on how you manage the QB position has not changed. It's stupid to allow agents and QBs to dictate cap. So it should be no surprise to you that I am not for this now.

You saying that he will be signed is not a revelation. He will either be signed or be traded. Simple as that. But allowing Dak to dictate to the team is stupid. Was stupid to do it with Romo and it's still stupid IMO.

I never once said we would win a championship with Romo I said the complete opposite! You won’t find a post in my archives where I said we would win a championship with Tony Romo. He was our best option at the position which is why I wanted him re-signed. I never said re-signing him wouldn’t have an effect on the cap. I said we could get him under the cap and you said we couldn’t. I’ll be happy to post the link to the thread if you ever want to see it. Dak will be signed not traded!

 

[Kaiser]

If Dak is wanting to be paid as the top player in the NFL that's simply crazy. He is by far not the best player in the NFL.

I agree, but the comparable contract isn't going to be Mahomes. Its going to be one of the second tier guys after that getting a new contract so the market rate is established. Both sides will want that before they sign, which happened with Dez Bryant. They went down to the wire with it but Dez signed a few hours after Demaryius Thomas signed to set the market rate.

 

[OmerV]

How could it not be?

Look at New Orleans..

Brees will be available..

Bridgewater is available.

Taysom Hill is a RFA and I can’t imagine them not wanting to see him on the field ASAP with his contract status and their long term future at that position.

So we could have Drew Brees and Tom Brady both available.

Then there is a long list of other QB’s starting with Winston, Rivers, Mariotta, potentially Derek Carr.

Who knows how the chips could fall...

How is this not a ton of leverage for the Cowboys to use in contract negotiations if they so choose.

Some of those guys are upgrades and some of them would perform just as good as Dak if they were in Dallas.

If Drew Brees becomes available Dallas should be all over that.

Instead we will give Dak a long term deal and some smart team like the Titans will go get Brees or Brady and be better off for it then we are.

First, remember that all these "available" QB's aren't necessarily available to Dallas (they all have a say in where they go, and several may re-sign with existing teams), and that being available isn't necessarily the same as being desirable. Taysom Hill, for example, has a grand total of 119 passing yards in his 2 year NFL career, so he wouldn't really provide any leverage with Dak.

But sure at least some of those guys could be options, and if Dak plays ball too hard. Most are really just fall backs in case something can't be worked out with Dak.

 

[KJJ]

Again, we don't have a QB and the wise thing to do is to explore every option available to you at the position. You say you don't want to get into a multipage argument but yet, you started down this road.

We don't agree and that's fine but don't try and tell me that Hill is not good because he hasn't thrown whatever number of passes in the NFL. Tony threw zero and was named starter and you thought he was the second coming. Can't have it both way.

Again, you are wrong we do have a QB. Appears you love to be proven wrong. Taysom Hill is an excellent football player but he’s not an every down QB. That’s what I’m telling you! In spots at the QB position he can make some plays but he’ll never be a consistent every down QB. The Broncos were able to win some games with Tebow and even won a playoff game where he passed for over 300 yards but they knew he would never be a consistent passer. They were forced to design an offense to fit him and his ability to run but eventually defenses figured him out.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I was ok with the Romo contract at the time. I thought he was worth it and still do.. The problem is we could never piece a team around him with that contract. Something was always lacking on the team because of it.

2014 the offense was awesome and full of draft picks along the line but we had no defense. Our defense was running the ball.

Honestly, I never saw us being able to do it because we were always going to be behind the 8 ball with the cap, or at least that's how I saw it. And I think all you have to do is look at what the team did after that. Look at the coaches we brought in. Marinelli was here because we wanted a guy who could play defense without top tier, big money talent with your front four. That's entirely why he was brought in and that's a direct result of the cap situation IMO. Fans hated it and I understand why but if you manage your cap a little better, maybe you don't have to do it that way? That's how I see it anyway.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I never once said we would win a championship with Romo I said the complete opposite! You won’t find a post in my archives where I said we would win a championship with Tony Romo. He was our best option at the position which is why I wanted him re-signed. I never said re-signing him wouldn’t have an effect on the cap. I said we could get him under the cap and you said we couldn’t. I’ll be happy to post the link to the thread if you ever want to see it. Dak will be signed not traded!

I disagreed then and I disagree now. In light of how that all played out, I don't think you can say I was wrong.

I understand, you want to do the same failed strategy again. I don't. It's really as simple as that. Post whatever link you wish but post them all because you know damn well that there were multiple threads, not just one.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Again, you are wrong we do have a QB. Appears you love to be proven wrong. Taysom Hill is an excellent football player but he’s not an every down QB. That’s what I’m telling you! In spots at the QB position he can make some plays but he’ll never be a consistent every down QB. The Broncos were able to win some games with Tebow and even won a playoff game where he passed for over 300 yards but they knew he would never be a consistent passer. They were forced to design an offense to fit him and his ability to run but eventually defenses figured him out.

Do we have a QB under contract? If we don't, then that's your answer. Deny what you want but I'm not wrong. BTW, this is you. You say you don't want to get into a multi blah blah thread but yet, here you are.

I'm pretty sure you never really watched Hill at BYU. I think you are saying you did but no, I don't think so. He's a much better throw then Tebow ever was but doesn't matter. You say he's not an every down QB. OK, why? How do you know this?

 

[KJJ]

I disagreed then and I disagree now. In light of how that all played out, I don't think you can say I was wrong.

I understand, you want to do the same failed strategy again. I don't. It's really as simple as that. Post whatever link you wish but post them all because you know damn well that there were multiple threads, not just one.

The way things played out you were dead wrong! You were so convinced we couldn’t get Romo under the cap that you wanted me to prove that we could. lol There was only one thread where we got into a multipage argument about Romo and this was the thread from 2013. Most of our posts were from the last several pages of the thread.


https://cowboyszone.com/threads/would-you-trade-romo-for-the-1-pick.250692/