Free agent QB situations should be leverage for contract negotiations

[KJJ]

OK, well, take a day if you have to and get back to me I guess. Me, I've already read it so my question isn't going to change. I guess I can expect to hear from you tomorrow?

You need to take a day because you didn’t read anything. You know as well as I do you won’t find anything in that thread where you ended up being right. lol

 

[CATCH17]

the first question in signing a QB should be what's the best option to get us to the super bowl and how realistic is it to get one of these options.

Brady and Brees are probably not realistic options. I can understand the NFL Madden generations just signing/adding players ad hoc...but in real world NFL it doesn't work...let me repeat Brees and Brady aren't coming to dallas.

Is bridge water really better than Dak...lets debate. I like Dak better....

is Taysom Hill? no really WTTF.....seriously!!! WTTTFFFF this is just plain stupid

Mariotta!!!! really....you are going to go to the superbowl with him? he got benched..BENCHED…...

Rivers? noodle arms Rivers of the past two years will have problem fielding anything but back up roles...this is not the Rivers of 5 years ago so stop living in the past....

Carr!? not sure if he is better option than Dak...lets debate....there is a reason Raiders are looking to move on from him....what has he accomplished exactly? is he superbowl worthy....

I have been a Dak critic...been called Dak Hater...but I am a cowboys fan and we have to find the best option to win a superbowl….so lets say in your opinion he is worth 31 mill a year. and he wants 34....and you are ready to go to a lesser option to save 3 mill on the salary cap....to prove what!?

You want an honest answer?

I want to trade up for a QB or completely tank this upcoming season.

I'm just saying if we have to have a veteran QB then give me some of these better values that are already close to Dak in ability but give us cap flexibility and build a squad that goes for it this year instead of building a team that keeps us mediocre.

 

[CATCH17]

I just don't understand your logic. You are the one that said you would bring him in over Dak.
Dak, is better than everyone you named.

Contract... Dak's value is garbage. I don't know how that isn't clear.

If there was no salary cap this isn't an issue. Everyone would just sign the best players.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

No way is he going to sit out and lose 28M on the franchise tag. Not happening!

He's not signed. That's the bottom line. I mean, you can say what you want but he has no contract. Sorry, that's just the truth of it.

 

[Starforever]

Contract... Dak's value is garbage. I don't know how that isn't clear.

If there was no salary cap this isn't an issue. Everyone would just sign the best players.

You keep spouting value, but buying cheap gets you garbage.

 

[KJJ]

He's not signed. That's the bottom line. I mean, you can say what you want but he has no contract. Sorry, that's just the truth of it.

Him not being signed doesn’t mean we don’t have a QB. The only way we don’t have a QB is if he’s willing to pass up 28M on the franchise tag if he’s indeed franchised. He would have to be crazy to pass up that kind of money and lose a year of development. It’s not going to happen!

 

[CATCH17]

You keep spouting value, but buying cheap gets you garbage.

Well paying mediocrity doesn't provide championships...

The solution is to draft...

 

[Proof]

Dak is a 20ish TD a year QB who doesn't turn the ball over much. (Even though he fumbles a ton)

The reason we are "good" is because our Oline and Zeke can control a game and not expose Dak to having to carry the team on his shoulders.

define a ton?

https://www.footballdb.com/stats/stats.html?mode=M feel free to "ctrl -f prescott" you won't have any hits. you can switch to fumbles lost too, and still nada.

brees isn't going anywhere, brady is washed, taysom had better stay in the cozy confines of the superdome under the watchful eye of his biggest fan, and mariotta, jameis, and teddy are all semi interesting but not better than dak.

i would really hold off calling tennessee a "smart" team, they just caught lightning in a bottle with tannehill. we will see how easy that is to replicate.

 

[CATCH17]

define a ton?

https://www.footballdb.com/stats/stats.html?mode=M feel free to "ctrl -f prescott" you won't have any hits. you can switch to fumbles lost too, and still nada.

brees isn't going anywhere, brady is washed, taysom had better stay in the cozy confines of the superdome under the watchful eye of his biggest fan, and mariotta, jameis, and teddy are all semi interesting but not better than dak.

i would really hold off calling tennessee a "smart" team, they just caught lightning in a bottle with tannehill. we will see how easy that is to replicate.

But ton I mean i'm pretty sure Dak fumbles the ball more then any QB in the NFL. I'm not sure if that was the case this year but in 2018 i'm pretty sure it was.


Yuck

 

[Proof]

But ton I mean i'm pretty sure Dak fumbles the ball more then any QB in the NFL. I'm not sure if that was the case this year but in 2018 i'm pretty sure it was.


Yuck

But ton I mean i'm pretty sure Dak fumbles the ball more then any QB in the NFL. I'm not sure if that was the case this year but in 2018 i'm pretty sure it was.

gotcha... that's why I provided a direct link for you, if you wanted to be sure it was the case. But yes in 2018 when he was sacked 50+ times he was tied for the league lead with lamar, goff and carr. this year though, not so much. less than danny dimes, wentz, goff, russell wilson, deshaun, lamar, cousins, matt ryan, david carr, tannehill, josh allen, rivers, baker, darnold, jameis etc etc. but yeah other than all of those, he's right there near the top (of the 2nd page)

 

[Starforever]

Well paying mediocrity doesn't provide championships...

The solution is to draft...

Funny thing, that was not your argument. You threw a bunch of names out, stating their "value", but none of them have more value than Dak. Now you mention the draft. Dak, has proven himself to be worthy of a pay day. The amount should be commensurate with his contemporaries. Anything less, is a slap in the face.

If Dak does not deserve his, Romo did not deserve his. He was paid more than a championship winning QB, at that time. What did he have to show for Jerry's loyalty? The Cowboys seem to continue making ill advised, business transactions with their players. The negotiation process is terrible. Either pay him, or let him go. Stop the jiving.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Him not being signed doesn’t mean we don’t have a QB. The only way we don’t have a QB is if he’s willing to pass up 28M on the franchise tag if he’s indeed franchised. He would have to be crazy to pass up that kind of money and lose a year of development. It’s not going to happen!

Really, so if he decides not to play next year and just sit? I mean, you acknowledge that this is a possibility correct? Why does it have to be this way? You say I argue but you can't even acknowledge that this is true. I mean, what is that about? He could have had 28 last year but he settled for 2.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

You want an honest answer?

I want to trade up for a QB or completely tank this upcoming season.

I'm just saying if we have to have a veteran QB then give me some of these better values that are already close to Dak in ability but give us cap flexibility and build a squad that goes for it this year instead of building a team that keeps us mediocre.

the facts and reality is that we are not going to tank this season. that's just not going to happen unless we get a ton of injuries.

and not sure any available....realistically available veteran QB is better than Dak.

I am ok giving dak a three year deal....but I think Joneses want a longer term deal

 

[Reid1boys]

How could it not be?

Look at New Orleans..

Brees will be available..

Bridgewater is available.

Taysom Hill is a RFA and I can’t imagine them not wanting to see him on the field ASAP with his contract status and their long term future at that position.

So we could have Drew Brees and Tom Brady both available.

Then there is a long list of other QB’s starting with Winston, Rivers, Mariotta, potentially Derek Carr.

Who knows how the chips could fall...

How is this not a ton of leverage for the Cowboys to use in contract negotiations if they so choose.

Some of those guys are upgrades and some of them would perform just as good as Dak if they were in Dallas.

If Drew Brees becomes available Dallas should be all over that.

Instead we will give Dak a long term deal and some smart team like the Titans will go get Brees or Brady and be better off for it then we are.

so you think Mariotta is somehow leverage? cmon

 

[Reid1boys]

Really, so if he decides not to play next year and just sit? I mean, you acknowledge that this is a possibility correct? Why does it have to be this way? You say I argue but you can't even acknowledge that this is true. I mean, what is that about? He could have had 28 last year but he settled for 2.

he will not sit.... and if he does, we could be in the exact same spot the following year. We could tag him the following year AFTER he sits and he is no better off. he isnt sitting.

 

[KJJ]

Really, so if he decides not to play next year and just sit? I mean, you acknowledge that this is a possibility correct? Why does it have to be this way? You say I argue but you can't even acknowledge that this is true. I mean, what is that about? He could have had 28 last year but he settled for 2.

I see no possibility of him not signing the franchise tag if he’s franchised and passing up 28M and losing a year of his career sitting out. Mark my words it will not happen!

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

he will not sit.... and if he does, we could be in the exact same spot the following year. We could tag him the following year AFTER he sits and he is no better off. he isnt sitting.

I am aware of all of this. What I asked was, is he under contract?

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I see no possibility of him not signing the franchise tag if he’s franchised and passing up 28M and losing a year of his career sitting out. Mark my words it will not happen!

Again, what I asked was, is he under contract?

 

[OmerV]

Well paying mediocrity doesn't provide championships...

The solution is to draft...

Mediocrity at QB got SF to the Super Bowl, and they easily could have won (some would argue that they should have won). Foles was mediocre (at best) and won. Osweiler/Manning was probably less than mediocre and won. Flacco was mediocre and won. Truthfully Eli wasn't much above mediocre, and he won twice.

The thing is, there really isn't an abundance of Mahomes/Rodgers/Brees/Brady/Wilson types to go around. We all would love to have a QB of that quality, but they are rare. So rare that 3 of those 5 guys were drafted 15-20 years ago. The bottom line is that most teams are going to have to find a way to win without having a truly elite QB, whether it's with a strong running game or a balanced offense, or a strong defense or some combination of things.

A team can't afford to decide it can't win without one of those rare, truly elite QB's, and shoot itself in the foot trying to find that needle in a haystack player instead of building an overall team that can win.

 

[KJJ]

Again, what I asked was, is he under contract?

No he’s not under contract but you’re saying we don’t have a QB because of it. We have a QB because we can franchise him. He’s not going anywhere! All you want to do is argue.