Byron Jones the worst in the modern era

[beware_d-ware]

It's funny how when people trash on Jones, the only thing they can do is narrow in on picks. He's a stud in every other way. This dude literally just drew almost half the targets of DPOY Stephon Gilmore.

If he hits the open market, the Eagles would step up and offer him $15M a season. That's just a fact. We can debate whether he's worth it or not on our team with our upcoming scheme change and cap crunch, but to act like he's a bum that should be run out of town is laughable. He's one of the more highly coveted defenders in this league.

 

[Future]

LMAO PASS THE BUCK

ITS CALLED DELEGATION AND ITS WHY THERE ARE 19 OTHER POSITIONAL COACHES INCLUDING A DC on the staff...

we have a DC and Kris Richard in charge of the back half both are 99% responsible for the defense and now they are gone as well.. this had nothing to do with JG. period..he doesnt teach defense he hired people that had skins to do it for him..Its how it works you delegate..

i saw it more on the players thats on the HC and GM to change that and now they will..

A head coach doesn't get to delegate overall approach. If he does, he's useless.

Like are you honestly defending Jason Garrett by saying he had nothing to do with the defense?

 

[Future]

It's funny how when people trash on Jones, the only thing they can do is narrow in on picks. He's a stud in every other way. This dude literally just drew almost half the targets of DPOY Stephon Gilmore.

If he hits the open market, the Eagles would step up and offer him $15M a season. That's just a fact. We can debate whether he's worth it or not on our team with our upcoming scheme change and cap crunch, but to act like he's a bum that should be run out of town is laughable. He's one of the more highly coveted defenders in this league.

Lots of teams will offer him $15m lol

 

[aria]

Rb's are more critical, but I wouldn't have paid either.

Well not one league leading rusher has won a SB in 20 years and multiple successful teams (SB winning teams) have done so with veteran RB’s on small salaries (Ajayi and CJ Anderson come to mind) or with RB’s found in later rounds. CB’s also typically take longer to develop compared to RB’s and have longer careers.

I’ll take a top 5 CB with or without creating turnovers over a top 5 RB any day, especially considering our O line and Zeke’s off the field issues.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

I think it’s time for you to move out of Houston.

Ohh...you are obsessed with me...I must still be under your skin....

Sorry about the arse whooping you got...you will learn over time...you will get whooped several more times and you will learn grasshopper

 

[Runwildboys]

Since these stats started in 1970 for corners that played at least 70 games, Jones only has two interceptions. Two folks! Next on the list has 5 in that span. He hasn’t had an int in two years as well. Mind boggling.

How does he rate for TDs allowed?

 

[aria]

It's funny how when people trash on Jones, the only thing they can do is narrow in on picks. He's a stud in every other way. This dude literally just drew almost half the targets of DPOY Stephon Gilmore.

If he hits the open market, the Eagles would step up and offer him $15M a season. That's just a fact. We can debate whether he's worth it or not on our team with our upcoming scheme change and cap crunch, but to act like he's a bum that should be run out of town is laughable. He's one of the more highly coveted defenders in this league.

Wouldn’t that be something, if we paid Cooper not Jones, and the Jones haters would rejoice. Then we play Philly who picked up Jones and he shut down Cooper but didn’t get an INT so his haters could say “told ya so, he wasn’t worth it, he didn’t even get an INT” even though he stopped one of the leagues top receivers?

 

[blueblood70]

A head coach doesn't get to delegate overall approach. If he does, he's useless.

Like are you honestly defending Jason Garrett by saying he had nothing to do with the defense?

yup he hirwes but doesnt dictate, no way you hire a Coordinator to accomplish what you hope will work but you may suggest they fix areas but its ultimately up to the Coach worth the experience in that department..

The CEO for FORD doesnt go to his engineers and tell them how to do their jobs , he hired them to make the designs and then approves them but has zero input on how to build the engine and tranny just wanting it to be great.. you hire employees that typically know more about the specifics of their specialty then you do, you set expectations and then let them go to work..the only fault we can find in JG is he didnt get a new DC and adc(KR) that was more aggressive if thats what he wanted..

in our situation, its more on the players as stated they DROPPED NINE9 INts this season.. cant blame bad ball skills on JG let alone the DC, he obviously dialed up enough play calls to get them in postion but cant control if it hits them in the face or hands ant hey dont catch it

you truly blaming Shananhan for his defensive collapse against Mahomes or for JG for overthrowing a go ahead wide open deep pass to sanders? no thats on Garoppolo and the defenders who didnt execute a few key plays that cost them the game..

Lat year a player jumps offsides to call back an INT that would have ended the game againt NE and have KC I the SB, is that Reids fault or that layer just made mental mistake and lined up 1inch offsides? PLAYERS are more then 75% responsible for those type plays..coaches can only go so far and out team was full of those mental mistakes last year..

 

[Loso86]

Since these stats started in 1970 for corners that played at least 70 games, Jones only has two interceptions. Two folks! Next on the list has 5 in that span. He hasn’t had an int in two years as well. Mind boggling.

Lol nobody on this team stands a chance with alot of these fans

 

[IheartRomo]

Dlaw was a tackling machine against the run which isn’t a glamour stat. Quinn was awful against the run, but might have the quickest step I’ve seen since Ware. Maybe even better in fact.

Agreed on both fronts. Lawrence is an all around player - very good at everything a DL is supposed to do. Quinn is a horrific run defender but he is as quick off the ball and turning the corner as I can ever remember seeing. It's impressive.

 

[Future]

The CEO for FORD doesnt go to his engineers and tell them how to do their jobs.

The CEO of Ford says "Make more trucks."
An NFL HC says "prevent long passes on defense."

Independent of whether or not Rod was a good DC, he has to execute JG's ethos.

 

[JW82]

They don't value it b/c it's not a valuable position.

As proven by our tremendous success!

 

[blueblood70]

The CEO of Ford says "Make more trucks."
An NFL HC says "prevent long passes on defense."

Independent of whether or not Rod was a good DC, he has to execute JG's ethos.

 

[Future]

Which part of that is wrong? Don't take the easy way out.

Do you honestly believe that coordinators act with complete autonomy from the HC? You can ramble on about whatever, but that's the point you're making, and it's completely stupid.

 

[garyv]

Since these stats started in 1970 for corners that played at least 70 games, Jones only has two interceptions. Two folks! Next on the list has 5 in that span. He hasn’t had an int in two years as well. Mind boggling.

I think Byron is a solid CB but not a ballhawk. He plays his position and his man but not the ball. Now in saying this me personally
I like ballhawks and aggressive players.

 

[starfan1]

I get that the number is low but how often is the guy he is covering targeted compared to the rest of the league?

BTW, we had him playing safety for a couple of years.

Either one of those teams in the Superbowl would love to have Byron Jones. Losing Byron is not a good thing.

I say again if a QB has the choice between targeting Chidos man and Byrons man what would you do. Just because he the best cover guy on our team dont mean hes elite. Hell Im 58 and play basketball and often am the best on the court. That just means Im better than guys i play with not that Im ready to challenge Lebron.

Im all for keeping Jones but hes needs to be priority 3.

 

[Loso86]

It's funny how when people trash on Jones, the only thing they can do is narrow in on picks. He's a stud in every other way. This dude literally just drew almost half the targets of DPOY Stephon Gilmore.

If he hits the open market, the Eagles would step up and offer him $15M a season. That's just a fact. We can debate whether he's worth it or not on our team with our upcoming scheme change and cap crunch, but to act like he's a bum that should be run out of town is laughable. He's one of the more highly coveted defenders in this league.

Been saying the same thing my guy. Nobody on this team is safe smh

 

[McKDaddy]

I say again if a QB has the choice between targeting Chidos man and Byrons man what would you do. Just because he the best cover guy on our team dont mean hes elite. Hell Im 58 and play basketball and often am the best on the court. That just means Im better than guys i play with not that Im ready to challenge Lebron.

Im all for keeping Jones but hes needs to be priority 3.

There are plenty of stats & metrics that rank him in the top 12 or better of ALL CB's in the league for both of his seasons playing the position. Moreover there isn't one team in the NFL that wouldn't be happy to have him on their team so "elite" or "elite adjacent" is accurate depending on your personal definitions.

 

[JW82]

Here are the top 10 safeties in regards to interceptions. Seems the playoff teams generally have Safeties that get picks. So yeah, they are kind of important.

Kevin Byard Tenn - Playoffs
Minkah Fitzpatrick Pitt - Playoffs
Devin McCourty Pats - Playoffs
Tyrann Mathieu KC - Playoffs
Justin Simmons Den
Marcus Williams N.O - Playoffs
Jessie Bates Cin
Tre Boston Car
Tashaun Gipson HOU - Playoffs
Erik Harris Oak

 

[starfan1]

There are plenty of stats & metrics that rank him in the top 12 or better of ALL CB's in the league for both of his seasons playing the position. Moreover there isn't one team in the NFL that wouldn't be happy to have him on their team so "elite" or "elite adjacent" is accurate depending on your personal definitions.

as there are stats that rank dak in the top 10. Stats can be misleading and they can be indicators. That said I hope we keep him but I'm ok with him going if they have a solid replacement plan. I really don't consider anyone on this team elite at their position that don't play on the Oline and even their play has not been the same. Perhaps Zeke

But then again that's a personal view not everyone shares