Trading Dak is crazy talk

atlantacowboy · Feb 11, 2020

doomsday9084 said:
This guy gets it. Its the elephant in the room. In the past 20 years, only two QB's on fair market value extensions won super bowls. Everyone else is either Tom Brady or a rookie or a cheap vet.

The formula for winning a superbowl is to have a cheap QB playing well. You are far more likely to miss the playoffs than win a superbowl by paying your QB big money.

...........and Brady has never played on a full market value contract. He's been playing on contracts that are discounted b/c he wants to win.

cowboyblue22 · Feb 11, 2020

cowboyec said:
i've said this before.
the only way i trade Dak is if you guarantee me that we sign Tom Brady...AND draft Tua.
not 1 or the other.
BOTH.
because i know what i got in #4...a damn good ball player who not only wants to get better...but actually does each year.

we got a good,young franchise QB we can win with.
and we got a competent HC and staff.
PAY HIM.
QBs are expensive...and thats how the mop-flops...i knew that going in.
PAY HIM.[/QUOTE
HE IS GOING TO GET PAID AND THATS WHAT THEY SHOULD DO

ABQCOWBOY · Feb 11, 2020

CATCH17 said:
Absolutely.

I know the original post you responded to said "If you could, would you" but I gotta say, I probably would not Catch. I mean, I get it, but even if you could it would be so ridiculously expensive to do it that it would really limit you for a few years in the draft.

For the record, I think it's a hard fail to come out and simply say that trading anybody is off the table. All that does is limit you and why on earth would you ever do that? I don't see the value in that approach.

JMO

CATCH17 · Feb 11, 2020

ABQCOWBOY said:
I know the original post you responded to said "If you could, would you" but I gotta say, I probably would not Catch. I mean, I get it, but even if you could it would be so ridiculously expensive to do it that it would really limit you for a few years in the draft. JMO

I think I misunderstood the post..

What would be expensive?

I may be comprehending it wrong but does he mean trade Dak for 2 1sts and move up for Burrow?

I don't think any of that is possible anyways.

ABQCOWBOY · Feb 11, 2020

CATCH17 said:
I think I misunderstood the post..

What would be expensive?

I may be comprehending it wrong but does he mean trade Dak for 2 1sts and move up for Burrow?

I don't think any of that is possible anyways.

I think the OP was suggesting that yes. I think he was saying trade Dak for two 1st and sign a Vet option like Rivers. Now, I am not a fan of that idea, only because I don't believe Phillips fits the WCO. He's a vertical guy IMO but the idea of signing a Vet is, IMO, a must. I'd bring in somebody who could actually start for us because I am not convinced that Dak will be here for Camp or Pre-Season or maybe even the first few games of the season. I think that there is every reason to plan for Dak missing a few games and lets be honest, if he misses time like that, he's not coming in and lighting the world on fire. He's probably going to end up getting injured if he does that because that's what happens when you miss camp. We've seen it a lot in the past. I'd plan for the long game on this one because I I don't trust France to work with Jerry. I think this could become a long, drawn out negotiation and we may need to have a guy who can actually give you a chance to win games. To me, it's just good preparation but that's just my opinion.

The problem is, the Bengals love Burrows and I don't think 2, maybe even 3 first round picks will get them to give up Burrows and I would rather use those picks to obtain talent. I think you could move up into the later first or very early 2nd and get a good QB prospect that could be developed, while still acquiring talent in other areas. We need some guys. We need to bring in a TE, we need a WR, we need a CB if we don't sign Jones, we need a Safety, we need to upgrade our interior DL and we need to add LBs. I'm not for trading Dak and then spending all our assets on Burrows.

Ideally, I'd rather play hardball with Dak, sign him to a reasonable contract, sign a short term Vet QB who is capable of giving us a chance to win some games until we get the Dak situation settled and draft a young QB who we can develop. That, to me, is the ideal scenario, assuming we can't get Dak signed in the near term for a reasonable deal. I'm not for paying Dak 35 or more on a short term deal and being back at the table in a few years so that we can take it in the shorts again. That, to me, is a recipe for disaster. If we find a team who is willing to give up two firsts, then I probably do that if I'm sure we can sign a decent Vet option and we have a QB we like.

Again, that's just my opinion though.

starfan1 · Feb 11, 2020

all this Burrows love is beyond me. Now the guy balled out dont get me wrong but just as he could be the next Payton Manning he could be the next akili smith or joey Harrington.

Silverstar · Feb 11, 2020

Section446 said:
I'd absolutely love to have Borrow over Dak, there's no question that he has better passing skills than Dak does.

I agree and that should tell you something about Dak's passing skills.

Does Jerry, Stephen or McClay care about that...doubtful.

kskboys · Feb 11, 2020

Kwyn said:
Well, I distinctly recall two or three bad passes in the last two games and honestly, I don’t remember anything much before that but sure, why not. He left a ton of yards on the field

What I'm saying is that the saying "he left yards on the field" doesn't really describe what happened. All players leave yards on the field, no exceptions. (Did you watch Brady this year?) Dak was both good and bad this last season. He did step up in some ways and showed some really encouraging signs. Now, maybe he'll take the next step and maybe he won't, but that saying really just doesn't fit the situation.

kskboys · Feb 11, 2020

InTheZone said:
I wonder what his td to int, completions and overall image were against winning teams last year...

We were talking about yards. If you need to expand the parameters to be right, guess you weren't so right!!!!!

CouchCoach · Feb 11, 2020

Yes, it is and they'd need a partner to consummate a trade. What are the teams on the list of candidate teams for a trade?

InTheZone · Feb 11, 2020

kskboys said:
We were talking about yards. If you need to expand the parameters to be right, guess you weren't so right!!!!!

His yards were used as a pinnacle stat. Im simply saying it shouldn't be.

Skillit · Feb 11, 2020

Aerolithe_Lion said:
the patriots didn’t discover Tom Brady until they were moving backwards. The Colts didn’t acquire Peyton Manning until they were rock bottom. Kurt Warner didn’t sprout out of STL until they were at their lowest point.

You know what happens when you’re too afraid of moving backwards? You keep Andrew Dalton 4 years too long. You give Kirk Cousins a record setting deal. You bet the house on Joe Flacco.

And now youre about to give Dak an elite QB contract after winning 27 regular season games the last 3 years combined. Because it’s perceived to be the best you can do.

-Pats moving from an aging/under performing QB to a young QB is not backwards

- colts were at the top of the draft (not 8-8) and hit on a top pick.....remember who was next QB in that draft?

- I agree Dak isn’t top 7-8, but if all you do is search for the ‘next’ great QB at the expense of fixing the team, you become the Cleveland Browns.

the 9ers made the SB throwing 9 times in the NFCCG and had a 10 point lead in the SB in the 4th qtr. by definition—only 2-3 teams have the ‘elite’ QBs.....everyone else has to make it up elsewhere.

there is no guarantee that you can draft the next great one. Mahomes was projected in the 2nd round until days before the draft. I’m not saying over pay dak. At all......but acting like he is garbage and easily replaced is inaccurate.

next.

Skillit · Feb 11, 2020

zerofill said:
Look... this is the Cowboyszone...

He is either the second coming of Jesus Christ, or he is the Anti-Christ...

We don't do this halfway stuff on here!

good point

JoeKing · Feb 11, 2020

atlantacowboy said:
...........and Brady has never played on a full market value contract. He's been playing on contracts that are discounted b/c he wants to win.

Wanting to win has nothing to do with it. Everyone wants to win. Brady can afford to take a discount because his wife is worth a billion dollars.

BatteryPowered · Feb 11, 2020

thunderpimp91 said:
The good news is in theory the cowboys could trade dak, and you still have reasonably good options in free agency for once.

The bad news is every other team out there also has access to those Free agency options and would never give up two 1st round picks for a QB that is about to get paid.

History is not necessarily on your side.

Carson Palmer from Cincinnati to Oakland for the 17th overall pick and a 2nd round pick the following year.
Jay Cutler from Denver to Chicago for 18th overall pick, a 3rd round pick in that draft and Chicago 1st round pick the following draft.
Trent Green from St. Louis to KC for 12th overall
Brad Johnson from Minnesota to Washington for 11th overall pick, Wash 3rd round in that draft and the Wash 2nd in the following draft

I would argue Dak is better than all of them.

TexasHillbilly · Feb 11, 2020

aria said:
Typical Cowboys over reaction. We’d be lucky to get a first for Dak or a 2nd for the Ewok. A lot of you need a reality check.

Another reality check. Neither one will happen. One is already signed and the other is about to be.

kskboys · Feb 11, 2020

BatteryPowered said:
History is not necessarily on your side.

Carson Palmer from Cincinnati to Oakland for the 17th overall pick and a 2nd round pick the following year.
Jay Cutler from Denver to Chicago for 18th overall pick, a 3rd round pick in that draft and Chicago 1st round pick the following draft.
Trent Green from St. Louis to KC for 12th overall
Brad Johnson from Minnesota to Washington for 11th overall pick, Wash 3rd round in that draft and the Wash 2nd in the following draft

I would argue Dak is better than all of them.

And younger.

If we were to seriously put Dak on the market, it wouldn't shock me at all to get a 1,1,2 for him. JAX would give up the farm, no doubt.

KJJ · Feb 11, 2020

Allowing Dak to walk and replacing him with Taysom Hill a gadget player who has 13 career passing attempts, completing less than half of them for no TDs is even crazier talk. Taysom Hill is the new laughable name that’s surfaced the past week amongst the GM’s on this board. Might not be quite as crazy as the fan that suggested trying to coax Vince Young out of retirement. :laugh:

If submitting a drug test was required to gain membership, this board probably wouldn’t have 200 active members.

kskboys · Feb 11, 2020

Skillit said:
-Pats moving from an aging/under performing QB to a young QB is not backwards

- colts were at the top of the draft (not 8-8) and hit on a top pick.....remember who was next QB in that draft?

- I agree Dak isn’t top 7-8, but if all you do is search for the ‘next’ great QB at the expense of fixing the team, you become the Cleveland Browns.

the 9ers made the SB throwing 9 times in the NFCCG and had a 10 point lead in the SB in the 4th qtr. by definition—only 2-3 teams have the ‘elite’ QBs.....everyone else has to make it up elsewhere.

there is no guarantee that you can draft the next great one. Mahomes was projected in the 2nd round until days before the draft. I’m not saying over pay dak. At all......but acting like he is garbage and easily replaced is inaccurate.

next.

And KC got trashed by many for taking a "systems QB" way too early.

kskboys · Feb 11, 2020

InTheZone said:
His yards were used as a pinnacle stat. Im simply saying it shouldn't be.

That is true.

No matter the yards, Dak was just OK last season. Very inconsistent.

Trading Dak is crazy talk

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