Twitter: Broncos Poised to Make Cowboys' CB Byron Jones 'Top Target' in Free Agency

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I say let him go, if he signs a huge deal Dallas will get a 4th comp pick. They still have Lewis and Awuzie. I would strongly consider a sign and trade for a 2nd or 3rd. He’s the top rated FA cb.
There are several good things about Mr. Jones. He is good at his job. I am not so big on interceptions as I am the other team not throwing his way. It's a big deal when a part of the field is taken away from a qb.

Also, he isn't injury prone like Lewis and Awuzie have been. Dude is always in the game. Reliability is also a big factor, at least to me it is......but what do I know.
 

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This board doesn’t like Byron Jones because he didn’t have 2 or 3 interceptions a season so they deem him not good because of that.

I’m sure Jordan Lewis will have those 2 or 3 INTs they are looking for when he’s getting targeted all game.

Apparently the Cowboys doesn't like Byron either, as I heard reports that during the season the Cowboys did very little to virtually no negotiations with Byron's camp during the
season, ..much different than what was heard among the Dak and Cooper camp negotiations.

Me thinks Cowboys are gonna throw Byron their typical, low-ball offer, Jones' camp will laugh at it and off they will walk to the team that is willing to pay him among the highest paid CBs in the NFL.
 

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Apparently the Cowboys doesn't like Byron either, as I heard reports that during the season the Cowboys did very little to virtually no negotiations with Byron's camp during the
season, ..much different than what was heard among the Dak and Cooper camp negotiations.

Me thinks Cowboys are gonna throw Byron their typical, low-ball offer, Jones' camp will laugh at it and off they will walk to the team that is willing to pay him among the highest paid CBs in the NFL.

The Cowboys are constantly chasing the 90's Cowboys model.

They are going to pay their WR, QB, and RB.

Superbowl teams have cheap QB's with a low Cap% if they are a vet, tier 2 or 3 WR's, and cheaps RB's with either a great coach, great defense, or both.

Dallas just builds their team wrong and our fans applaud it while it happens.
 
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It’s funny to me how fans weigh the value of a CB on nothing but the # of ints.
Deon Sanders played 14 seasons and had 8 years with only 2-3 interceptions.
Champ Bailey played 15 seasons and had 11 years with 0-3 interceptions.
Darrel Revis? 11 seasons and 6 with 0-2 per season.

we all want our defense to create turnovers, and 1-3 interceptions per year is definitely better than none, but come on....if you have a guy who can cover and take guys out of the game or limit them greatly, that is very valuable. There are a
So players who get 3-4 interceptions while giving up 6-7 long TDs every year.
thats not what ive seen with my own eyes.. so he has no INTs and that somewhat of a big deal but if you want to call that a wash, this is what I see.. he is Carr 2.0a great cover corner with little ball hawk skills BUT the only reason hes look s good on paper here is he is our best corner and teams have not challenged him much, they throw at Lewis and Awuzie more .. what I saw is when they did challenge him he was getting beat, maybe not a lot of Tds but he was getting beat deep, its his weakness and if more teams wanted to or saw this , Jones would have looked even worse..i saw this a lot late last year when they went his way often he was just a good CB..hes looking at elite money and is just really good..

teams have to make tough decsions and we have so many Fas including Dak and Coop.. sometimes you have to decide whats more important or harder to replace..we paid big to get Carr and hes was just a Jones, never elite.. we are ina similar situation and I doubt the FO wants to do that twice..
 

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Exactly.
People completely miss the point with Jones.
Why not have a shut down corner like Jones with the guy the other side with better ball handling skills that receives the most targets making the interceptions...

This board... I used to have to defend Demarcus Ware on this forum... The guy was almost a 1 man defense so he got all the blame if the defense didn't come through lol.
 

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The Cowboys are constantly chasing the 90's Cowboys model.

They are going to pay their WR, QB, and RB.

Super bowl teams have cheap QB's, tier 2 or 3 WR's, and cheaps RB's with either a great coach, great defense, or both.

Dallas just builds their team wrong and our fans applaud it while it happens.

-We really need to invest quite more in our defense than what we have. All the money headed to offense, but it's always the case that Defenses wins Super bowls- and do we have a
our true defensive leader ?
- aside from Quinn who easily has been the closest move to such a big move- there's still the question of us not investing in the middle ground vet move that helps gets us over the top.
- whenever we've had a lapse in regular season or playoffs exits, it almost always has pointed towards the Defense. Particularly lapses in playoff defeats vs Green Bay and the Rams.
 

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thats not what ive seen with my own eyes.. so he has no INTs and that somewhat of a big deal but if you want to call that a wash, this is what I see.. he is Carr 2.0a great cover corner with little ball hawk skills BUT the only reason hes look s good on paper here is he is our best corner and teams have not challenged him much, they throw at Lewis and Awuzie more .. what I saw is when they did challenge him he was getting beat, maybe not a lot of Tds but he was getting beat deep, its his weakness and if more teams wanted to or saw this , Jones would have looked even worse..i saw this a lot late last year when they went his way often he was just a good CB..hes looking at elite money and is just really good..

teams have to make tough decisions and we have so many Fas including Dak and Coop.. sometimes you have to decide what's more important or harder to replace.. we paid big to get Carr and hes was just a Jones, never elite.. we are in a similar situation and I doubt the FO wants to do that twice..

Can I assume you’re talking about the situation such as a Brandon Carr 2.0 vs the actual player vs player ? ……. in that the team wants far more out of a vastly high paid starting CB in the future – and that simply includes ball hawk INTs to go along with top man coverage ..the INTs turn the field position/game momentum big plays for the team, than just a guy that will only knock it down.

Because as far as player vs player,.. Byron is a much better man coverage guy than Brandon Carr ever was, imo . … at least Jones has had his one year of fame as an All pro (albeit still zero INTs) and pro bowl CB invite in 2018, whereas Brandon has never been in the mention as a pro bowl candidate and of course never been an INT hawk.
I seriously doubt Calvin Johnson wouldn’t have gotten a single game NFL record outing against Jones as when he murderously did vs Brandon Carr.

And I notice the highest top paid CBs get INTs – Ramsey has a lower INT career than the other elite CBs, but he still doubles what Jones could ever have –Gilmore is Defensive of Player of year, then you see career totals of Slay, Marcus Peters, Chris Harris, etc. these guys have had the INTs to go along with pro bowl coverage. Jones will never give us this, and the team seems to be clearly fed up with the lack of turnovers and it’s hit their boiling point.
 

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This board... I used to have to defend Demarcus Ware on this forum... The guy was almost a 1 man defense so he got all the blame if the defense didn't come through lol.
I'm not surprised given the opinions from some people on here regarding players, the above seems pretty much in line sadly!
 

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There are several good things about Mr. Jones. He is good at his job. I am not so big on interceptions as I am the other team not throwing his way. It's a big deal when a part of the field is taken away from a qb.

Also, he isn't injury prone like Lewis and Awuzie have been. Dude is always in the game. Reliability is also a big factor, at least to me it is......but what do I know.
The one time he did get hurt, I think he popped his own knee back in and went back in the game, didn't he?
 

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This board doesn’t like Byron Jones because he didn’t have 2 or 3 interceptions a season so they deem him not good because of that.

I’m sure Jordan Lewis will have those 2 or 3 INTs they are looking for when he’s getting targeted all game.

Amazing how you always seem to be on the wrong side of every argument. LOL

So you LOVE paying Zeke, a RB, hate paying Dak a franchise QB, but you have no issues overpaying for a corner that has ZERO ball skills? And at what point in the NFL did picks not become important for a CB in your world? How about fumbles, is the guy a savage tackler then? Nope.

Would you make a DE one of the highest paid at his position if he hadnt had a sack in 4 years? LOL
 

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Amazing how you always seem to be on the wrong side of every argument. LOL

So you LOVE paying Zeke, a RB, hate paying Dak a franchise QB, but you have no issues overpaying for a corner that has ZERO ball skills? And at what point in the NFL did picks not become important for a CB in your world? How about fumbles, is the guy a savage tackler then? Nope.

Would you make a DE one of the highest paid at his position if he hadnt had a sack in 4 years? LOL

I did not love paying Zeke.. I was anti pay Zeke.. I think Dak is absolutely terrible value for what he is.

INT's are important but for corners it's not the end all be all.

Byron is as shutdown as it gets in this era of football. The Cowboys play a brand of defense that doesn't cause turnovers for anyone.

You don't let super athlete corners who are big and can shut down players like Michael Thomas go because they don't don't get 2 or 3 picks a year like Jaylon Ramsey.

You guys judging corners by INT totals just have it wrong and it's a lazy way to judge a corner.
 

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Amazing how you always seem to be on the wrong side of every argument. LOL

So you LOVE paying Zeke, a RB, hate paying Dak a franchise QB, but you have no issues overpaying for a corner that has ZERO ball skills? And at what point in the NFL did picks not become important for a CB in your world? How about fumbles, is the guy a savage tackler then? Nope.

Would you make a DE one of the highest paid at his position if he hadnt had a sack in 4 years? LOL

Dak is a franchise quarterback? :huh:
 

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Can I assume you’re talking about the situation such as a Brandon Carr 2.0 vs the actual player vs player ? ……. in that the team wants far more out of a vastly high paid starting CB in the future – and that simply includes ball hawk INTs to go along with top man coverage ..the INTs turn the field position/game momentum big plays for the team, than just a guy that will only knock it down.

Because as far as player vs player,.. Byron is a much better man coverage guy than Brandon Carr ever was, imo . … at least Jones has had his one year of fame as an All pro (albeit still zero INTs) and pro bowl CB invite in 2018, whereas Brandon has never been in the mention as a pro bowl candidate and of course never been an INT hawk.
I seriously doubt Calvin Johnson wouldn’t have gotten a single game NFL record outing against Jones as when he murderously did vs Brandon Carr.

And I notice the highest top paid CBs get INTs – Ramsey has a lower INT career than the other elite CBs, but he still doubles what Jones could ever have –Gilmore is Defensive of Player of year, then you see career totals of Slay, Marcus Peters, Chris Harris, etc. these guys have had the INTs to go along with pro bowl coverage. Jones will never give us this, and the team seems to be clearly fed up with the lack of turnovers and it’s hit their boiling point.

sorry its simple rumor has it he wants 16mil a year..BYE!

BUT IMO i watch them play and they are very similar in the way they cover and BTW Carr had 8ints in 4years before his FA and came here and got big money at the time , he at least got 6 picks his first two years and has 21 career INTs,4 brought back for TDs..

So the dude made plays dont act like Jones MR did you see me cover but no splash plays but want 16mil a year hasn't even approached Carrs output Carr had 6 in 2 years after he left.

I like BJ but no way he should get elite money hes really good but 2nd tier IMO you have the best lockdown guys and then after that BJ ...id give the guy 10-12 per similar to Jsmith ...16!:huh::omg::popcorn:NO

lastly Ramsey got way too much from the rams IMO..hes a bit better then jones but I wouldn't have paid hm that much with the draft picks, they got hosed..did he help the rams, last I checked didnt they finish 3rd in the division? missed the playoffs? they have done this a lot with contracts and FAS.. they lucked into a SB from a blown call and now have slipped..its a lesson dallas can see first hand with Goff and Ramsey..

if he really wants 16 im going to the draft and someone in day 2 FA market..
 

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There's too many Crawfords, Austins, Bennetts, Cobbs, Browns, and Collins to let go before I start letting young talented players like Jones walk away. Byron's not a ball hawk, he's not even a ball sparrow. He is however a young solid cover corner who's been consistent and reliable for 5 years in the NFL. He's not easily replaceable and leaves a gaping hole upon his departure. Another hole in a team that looks like Swiss cheese going into 2020 already. Dak, Amari, Quinn, and Jones are my priority free agents. It frees up your draft resources to take the best player available rather than reaching for a need. It's how you land players like Ruggs instead of reaching for players like C.J. Henderson.
 

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Dak is a franchise quarterback? :huh:

Dak thinks he is. But wait! There's more.....

Funny some praise him for being second in passing yards in 2019, as if that is some marvelous achievement. They rarely mention that Tampa Bay’s Jameis Winston was No. 1. So what exactly is the goal?

Isn't leaders in passing yards generally guys whose teams trailed in the fourth quarter?

(ducks)
 

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Dak thinks he is. But wait! There's more.....

Funny some praise him for being second in passing yards in 2019, as if that is some marvelous achievement. They rarely mention that Tampa Bay’s Jameis Winston was No. 1. So what exactly is the goal?

Isn't leaders in passing yards generally guys whose teams trailed in the fourth quarter?

(ducks)

Ducks, indeed. :laugh:
 
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