Dak Hater's Myth: We Can't Build Around a QB Market Value Contract

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JoeKing said:
Arguing about money is all over this thread. Your insistence to the contrary says tons about you. Anyone can just look for themselves and see you are wrong.

No players were lost because of Romo's contract. If they were players the Cowboys wanted to keep they were given the option to restructure their contract. Players like Ware who refused to restructure their contracts were cut. That was their choice. Romo was still owed money after he retired because he too restructured his contract to be spread out over a longer period of time.
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thanks for the insights, captain obvious. but I already said those things.
 
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kskboys said:
You missed the point.

This is about being able to build a super bowl contender. Romo's contract is actually the opposite of your point.
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:huh: Does the name Jason Garrett mean anything to you?

It doesn't matter how good a job Front Office did....they could NOT escape Garrett's incompetence...

So the questions still stand!!!

I'll proceed to debunk the rest of your post ..

kskboys said:
We could not get over the hump and become a super bowl contender under Romo. It wasn't just his contract, but cap strapping contracts were a huge reason.
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Where is the proof? What players did we lose or didn't get that we wanted? Ware does not count....he just refused to what Witten, Romo and Lee did....give a discount!
Ware was right!!!

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Our backups were horrific, and that was a huge reason we couldn't advance. We never could find legit players to form a super bowl D around Ware. Once again, huge contracts got in the way.
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:lmao2:Are we officially swiping Garrett Era from the history books.

Eagles Coaching Staff won

Chiefs won with our back-ups:eek: oops that's right we just need to find a Mahomes clone:facepalm:
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Dude we had 2 of 3 branches of the successful Superbowl team....the 3rd coaching was incompetent....evident my Jerry firing Garrett and hiring only the 2nd Superbowl winning coach (at time of hire) in McCarthy.

So the questions stand.... don't obfuscate.....

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It is pretty funny though that the example you used disproved your point!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Come again......:lmao2:

Get real bro....

Wow....I take night off 7 pages deep
 
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cern said:
it would be sexist only if said to a woman. clearly you are not.
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It's sexist no matter who you say it to. Why are you arguing this point? You are untouchable. You need not be concerned about being held accountable. You are cern.
 

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:huh: Does the name Jason Garrett mean anything to you?

It doesn't matter how good a job Front Office did....they could NOT escape Garrett's incompetence...

So the questions still stand!!!

I'll proceed to debunk the rest of your post ..


Where is the proof? What players did we lose or didn't get that we wanted? Ware does not count....he just refused to what Witten, Romo and Lee did....give a discount!
Ware was right!!!

:lmao2:Are we officially swiping Garrett Era from the history books.

Eagles Coaching Staff won

Chiefs won with our back-ups:eek: oops that's right we just need to find a Mahomes clone:facepalm:
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Dude we had 2 of 3 branches of the successful Superbowl team....the 3rd coaching was incompetent....evident my Jerry firing Garrett and hiring only the 2nd Superbowl winning coach (at time of hire) in McCarthy.

So the questions stand.... don't obfuscate.....


Come again......:lmao2:

Get real bro....

Wow....I take night off 7 pages deep
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Ok, this is just getting even more funny!!!!!!!!
You completely missed the point again!!!!!!!!!

Are you trying to be this obtuse?
 
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JoeKing said:
It's sexist no matter who you say it to. Why are you arguing this point? You are untouchable. You need not be concerned about being held accountable. You are cern.
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I have said nothing for which I should be held accountable. The comment was snarky, not sexist. Not as a noun or an adjective.
 
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cern said:
I have said nothing for which I should be held accountable. The comment was snarky, not sexist. Not as a noun or an adjective.
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Are you still at this? You are cern the untouchable. Chill.
 
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1. Yes we absolutely hit a wall with adding talent once Romo was paid.

2. We don't yet know who we will add and lose for sure.

3. We do know this. Most good teams that pay a QB top dollar also don't have to pay top dollar for most of their OL, Wr, RB, to make the QB function. Guys like Brees, Brady, Rodgers, wilson etc skimp on offense cause those guys can help over come a lack of talent while the team builds defense.
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And where you really have to set your sails to get a clear picture of the future..answer this...

is Dak going to have enough upside on his own to makeup for losing players becuz you need their money to sign Dak?

Clearly this is a NO.

We have already invested millions in the OL and now the RB and soon the WR to keep Dak surrounded with supreme levels of talent just to get production from Dak that we have seen to date.

As of right now, overall we are declining as we have not signed Cooper, Jones not Lee nor Witten.

STs is a talent ghost town with both kickers needing replacement and having no kick returners to get decent Field position with. Our drives constantly start 80 yds+ from the endzone and it only takes a couple of 3 and outs before we are 10 pts down by the end of the first half.

This happened every game in 2019. I would turn on the other game and re-tune in after an hour to see if we had caught up.

Sound familiar?

And the required overhaul on defense is going to be done with smoke and mirrors obviously becuz we will not have money to sign FAs to help. The help will all have to be low priced rookies to squeeze the cap.

B/w the guys we are losing like Quinn and Bennett and Jones and Lee..

that is going to make Dak score 40+ points a game just to be competitive. That is not happening.

So when we talk about Dak and his poison pill contract..

Do it and we are all going to be finger pointing in 2020. Not a fun way to enjoy things come this September.
 
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Something to consider: (A year old but this topic isn't a new problem.)

"The problem with teams committing so much of their cap space to quarterbacks is that it is clearly an unsuccessful strategy. None of the five highest-paid quarterbacks in 2018 by average salary—Rodgers, Atlanta’s Matt Ryan, Minnesota’s Kirk Cousins, Garoppolo, and Detroit’s Matthew Stafford—made the playoffs. Only Cousins came close. It’s overly simplistic to say that paying a quarterback a lot of money prohibits a team from being successful. New Orleans’s Drew Brees, Indianapolis’s Andrew Luck, and Seattle’s Russell Wilson each make over $20 million a year. We’re dealing with a small sample size, but what is clear from the 2018 season is that there are too many quarterbacks being paid like superstars. And it’s very bad for team-building if your highly paid quarterback doesn’t play like a superstar.

A lot of this money has gone to quarterbacks, and not always to good ones, which has created a disjointed, stunningly bad market for the position. Washington star cornerback Josh Norman told me this year that quarterback pay should be capped because not enough money goes to defensive players. (The real answer is for owners to pay every NFL player more money, but that’s a different issue.)

"It’s easier than ever to play the position in the NFL, and innovative offenses are getting better at maximizing the value of young quarterbacks. Teams like the Rams, Bears, and Chiefs are in enviable situations with young quarterbacks who are under contract for multiple years. Making the wrong decision about paying a quarterback can have disastrous consequences. “Teams act out of fear with quarterbacks,” Zack Moore, a salary cap expert and author of Caponomics: Building Super Bowl Champions, told me. “Once you decide a guy can’t win a Super Bowl, you should figure out how to get off that path with him. You cannot pay a middling starter like an elite guy."


https://www.theringer.com/nfl/2019/...backs-salary-cap-kirk-cousins-patrick-mahomes
 
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garyo1954 said:
Something to consider: (A year old but this topic isn't a new problem.)

"The problem with teams committing so much of their cap space to quarterbacks is that it is clearly an unsuccessful strategy. None of the five highest-paid quarterbacks in 2018 by average salary—Rodgers, Atlanta’s Matt Ryan, Minnesota’s Kirk Cousins, Garoppolo, and Detroit’s Matthew Stafford—made the playoffs. Only Cousins came close. It’s overly simplistic to say that paying a quarterback a lot of money prohibits a team from being successful. New Orleans’s Drew Brees, Indianapolis’s Andrew Luck, and Seattle’s Russell Wilson each make over $20 million a year. We’re dealing with a small sample size, but what is clear from the 2018 season is that there are too many quarterbacks being paid like superstars. And it’s very bad for team-building if your highly paid quarterback doesn’t play like a superstar.

A lot of this money has gone to quarterbacks, and not always to good ones, which has created a disjointed, stunningly bad market for the position. Washington star cornerback Josh Norman told me this year that quarterback pay should be capped because not enough money goes to defensive players. (The real answer is for owners to pay every NFL player more money, but that’s a different issue.)

"It’s easier than ever to play the position in the NFL, and innovative offenses are getting better at maximizing the value of young quarterbacks. Teams like the Rams, Bears, and Chiefs are in enviable situations with young quarterbacks who are under contract for multiple years. Making the wrong decision about paying a quarterback can have disastrous consequences. “Teams act out of fear with quarterbacks,” Zack Moore, a salary cap expert and author of Caponomics: Building Super Bowl Champions, told me. “Once you decide a guy can’t win a Super Bowl, you should figure out how to get off that path with him. You cannot pay a middling starter like an elite guy."


https://www.theringer.com/nfl/2019/...backs-salary-cap-kirk-cousins-patrick-mahomes
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I think this article actually shows the problem with trying to look at one season as evidence. In 2019, every NFC team that made the playoffs had a quarterback in the top 10 salarywise not just at their position by overall (Wilson, Rodgers, Wentz, Cousins, Garoppolo and Brees).

Based on this year, that would make it seem that you have to have a high-priced QB in order to make the playoffs. I don't think that's any more true than having one being an unsuccessful strategy.
 
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gimmesix said:
I think this article actually shows the problem with trying to look at one season as evidence. In 2019, every NFC team that made the playoffs had a quarterback in the top 10 salarywise not just at their position by overall (Wilson, Rodgers, Wentz, Cousins, Garoppolo and Brees).

Based on this year, that would make it seem that you have to have a high-priced QB in order to make the playoffs. I don't think that's any more true than having one being an unsuccessful strategy.
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Well, this really isn't true. I mean none of the QBs in the AFC were top 10. Jackson, Mahomes, Brady, Watson, Allen or Tannehill were in the top 10.
 
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ABQCOWBOY said:
But the same thing happened with Romo's contract. It was simply a continuation of a poor management policy.
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OK you made your point that you were a Romo hater. You keep telling yourself that Romo was the one that caused the Cowboys to not be able to sign free agents but the rest of us know that it was from decades of renegotiating contracts that kept putting a ton of dead money on the cap that was the problem.
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gimmesix said:
I think this article actually shows the problem with trying to look at one season as evidence. In 2019, every NFC team that made the playoffs had a quarterback in the top 10 salarywise not just at their position by overall (Wilson, Rodgers, Wentz, Cousins, Garoppolo and Brees).

Based on this year, that would make it seem that you have to have a high-priced QB in order to make the playoffs. I don't think that's any more true than having one being an unsuccessful strategy.
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You're free to take it any way you want. The point being made is, "The problem with teams committing so much of their cap space to quarterbacks is that it is clearly an unsuccessful strategy."

I'm sure the expert has studied this situation over many years. And likely not all of them fall in the same manner. Not to excuse his failure to use 2019, but he couldn't use it since 2019 hadn't been played.

Still the problem of paying out enormous contracts is not a new problem and its been unsuccessful. Of course, there are exceptions to every rule. And you found one.

Don't know what else to tell you.
 
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Hopefully, I won't have to wait another 7 pages before ANYONE answers questions 1 or 2:facepalm:

Or could it be the ONLY thing that's stops teams from building around a QB Market Value Contract is the SAME team making other decisions ( draft or free agency or coaching) that didn't compliment the QB contracts.....

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