How many of you would take less?

Bullflop · Mar 11, 2020

If Dak gets another offer of a guaranteed $105 million contract, I seriously doubt he and his family will have any worries! :grin:

TheMarathonContinues · Mar 11, 2020

Captain43Crash said:
It’s easy for some players to waste millions of dollars because they are irresponsible. The responsible players save for the future.

Ok.....did someone say otherwise?

LetsBeReal · Mar 11, 2020

Ranching said:
It's ridiculously funny to me that some keep saying "take less"!!!! Would you settle? Less money for your family? Less money for a career that might be cut short with and injury! Less money for a team that will cut you as soon as you slip? What the hell?? I get it, salary cap....blah, blah ,blah. I wouldn't settle and I sure as hell don't blame anyone that would.

Well, he’s kind of putting himself at risk of the cowboys closing the door and then having to go find another team willing to pay him what the cowboys don’t want to pay him. And I wish him the best of luck at doing that......but I think he’ll regret it and it will end up costing him more money in the end.

I think the cowboys are playing this divorce perfectly and I do believe it needs to happen. Can’t have all the highest paid players on the offense and get a $30+million dollar raise for winning 8 games. Too many dog poo games, weak arm, slow feet and 3 and outs for me.

time to shake hands hands and wish each other good luck. The cowboys will keep marching on and cashing checks for a long time with or without dak. Same can’t be said vice verss

OmerV · Mar 11, 2020

CowboysLegends2 said:
Dak may not believe it but he evidence is 100% on film. The Cowboys were 3-5 before trading a first round for Cooper. Now if Dak takes top 2 QB salary cap space and Cooper has to walk, then that says to me that 9-7 was being generous unless MM makes that big of an impact his first few seasons.

Of course, there is no indication the team thinks Cooper would have to walk if they sign Dak, plus Gallup was a rookie when Cooper came and has since stepped up into a more meaningful role, plus there would be some opportunity to replace Cooper through draft, trade or free agency, plus there will be opportunities to improve the overall team through draft, trade or free agency, plus, as you said, new coaches may help, plus, even without significant changes teams still can have very different years than the previous one (obviously good or bad).

LetsBeReal · Mar 11, 2020

OmerV said:
Of course, there is no indication the team thinks Cooper would have to walk if they sign Dak, plus Gallup was a rookie when Cooper came and has since stepped up into a more meaningful role, plus there would be some opportunity to replace Cooper through draft, trade or free agency, plus there will be opportunities to improve the overall team through draft, trade or free agency, plus, as you said, new coaches may help, plus, even without significant changes teams still can have very different years than the previous one (obviously good or bad).

cooper ain’t walking anywhere besides to the star for practice. He actually has leverage vs the cowboys considering he was highly invested in and has on paper results......I personally think he is a mental midget, who is also pretty talented, but I wouldn’t be surprised if he gets paid and ghost you in the playoffs when they jam him at the line and running pretty routes doesn’t get the job done. Plus his qb (as of now anyways) lacks the arm talent of about 50 other QBs in the league once you get to the playoffs and have to put your hand under the centers butt.

LetsBeReal · Mar 11, 2020

OmerV said:
Of course, there is no indication the team thinks Cooper would have to walk if they sign Dak, plus Gallup was a rookie when Cooper came and has since stepped up into a more meaningful role, plus there would be some opportunity to replace Cooper through draft, trade or free agency, plus there will be opportunities to improve the overall team through draft, trade or free agency, plus, as you said, new coaches may help, plus, even without significant changes teams still can have very different years than the previous one (obviously good or bad).

I am a little curious how you plan to field a defense if your already overpaid offense gives their sorry qb a $30 dollar raise, give the we a raise.......is this just a miracle offense super bowl with an overpaid qb your gunning for? You do have to at least field a defense

OmerV · Mar 11, 2020

LetsBeReal said:
I am a little curious how you plan to field a defense if your already overpaid offense gives their sorry qb a $30 dollar raise, give the we a raise.......is this just a miracle offense super bowl with an overpaid qb your gunning for? You do have to at least field a defense

I don't know that any of us know every detail of the current salary cap, or the one that is being worked on to simply make the blanket statement that we can't afford to field a defense if we pay Dak.

As for Dak being a sorry QB, I don't think Dak is negotiating based on that belief, do you? The Cowboys obviously aren't either.

LetsBeReal · Mar 11, 2020

OmerV said:
I don't know that any of us know every detail of the current salary cap, or the one that is being worked on to simply make the blanket statement that we can't afford to field a defense if we pay Dak.

As for Dak being a sorry QB, I don't think Dak is negotiating based on that belief, do you? The Cowboys obviously aren't either.

Fair statement to your first paragraph.

I think dak is trying to get paid as much as he can while he has the chance (smart move by him imo) because I don’t think he is very talented. Do you think he deserves a pay raise coming off last seasons 8-8 season? If so, how big? $30+million per season?

As a cowboy fan, no thanks, you didn’t win us any of our 8 games last year and we can def find something cheaper and better to throw crossing routes and the random “sneak a guy out to get wide open play.”

if your a cowboy fan and plan to get to the super bowl with dak as your qb you need to trade the entire offense and build the ravens defense with Trent dilfer......or you just need to move on from the qb and hope it works out. (You’ll be able to reach the bar dak set last year at 8 measly games)

OmerV · Mar 11, 2020

LetsBeReal said:
Fair statement to your first paragraph.

I think dak is trying to get paid as much as he can while he has the chance (smart move by him imo) because I don’t think he is very talented. Do you think he deserves a pay raise coming off last seasons 8-8 season? If so, how big? $30+million per season?

As a cowboy fan, no thanks, you didn’t win us any of our 8 games last year and we can def find something cheaper and better to throw crossing routes and the random “sneak a guy out to get wide open play.”

if your a cowboy fan and plan to get to the super bowl with dak as your qb you need to trade the entire offense and build the ravens defense with Trent dilfer......or you just need to move on from the qb and hope it works out. (You’ll be able to reach the bar dak set last year at 8 measly games)

Without question Dak deserves a pay raise. He was massively underpaid because he was on his rookie contract and paid as a 4th round pick. Clearly he is worth much more than that.

As for whether he deserves to get paid like he probably will, reasonable people can have different opinions on that. I personally disagree with you on Dak's talent - he certainly isn't an elite QB, but you don't put up the numbers he did last year without a significant amount of talent.

The question is does he have enough talent combined with the overall talent of the team to win it all, and if not the team needs to do what it can to improve. I just don't think improvement at QB is as easy as some fans think. Dak isn't likely to carry the team on his back all season and through the playoffs, but outside just a very small few, how many QBs are? Elite Rodgers/Mahomes/Brees type QB's are very rare - not something a team can expect to just run out and find at will.

LetsBeReal · Mar 11, 2020

OmerV said:
Without question Dak deserves a pay raise. He was massively underpaid because he was on his rookie contract and paid as a 4th round pick. Clearly he is worth much more than that.

As for whether he deserves to get paid like he probably will, reasonable people can have different opinions on that. I personally disagree with you on Dak's talent - he certainly isn't an elite QB, but you don't put up the numbers he did last year without a significant amount of talent.

The question is does he have enough talent combined with the overall talent of the team to win it all, and if not the team needs to do what it can to improve. I just don't think improvement at QB is as easy as some fans think. Dak isn't likely to carry the team on his back all season and through the playoffs, but outside just a very small few, how many QBs are? Elite Rodgers/Mahomes/Brees type QB's are very rare - not something a team can expect to just run out and find at will.

how much more? And at the cost of which positions will his pay raise make up for it?

LetsBeReal · Mar 11, 2020

OmerV said:
Without question Dak deserves a pay raise. He was massively underpaid because he was on his rookie contract and paid as a 4th round pick. Clearly he is worth much more than that.

As for whether he deserves to get paid like he probably will, reasonable people can have different opinions on that. I personally disagree with you on Dak's talent - he certainly isn't an elite QB, but you don't put up the numbers he did last year without a significant amount of talent.

The question is does he have enough talent combined with the overall talent of the team to win it all, and if not the team needs to do what it can to improve. I just don't think improvement at QB is as easy as some fans think. Dak isn't likely to carry the team on his back all season and through the playoffs, but outside just a very small few, how many QBs are? Elite Rodgers/Mahomes/Brees type QB's are very rare - not something a team can expect to just run out and find at will.

why does he want to get paid like he is elite? Cause he will be held to those standards if he does. I expect russel Wilson Aaron Rogers talent or a super bowl if he is paid like them. Don’t you?

LetsBeReal · Mar 11, 2020

OmerV said:
Without question Dak deserves a pay raise. He was massively underpaid because he was on his rookie contract and paid as a 4th round pick. Clearly he is worth much more than that.

As for whether he deserves to get paid like he probably will, reasonable people can have different opinions on that. I personally disagree with you on Dak's talent - he certainly isn't an elite QB, but you don't put up the numbers he did last year without a significant amount of talent.

The question is does he have enough talent combined with the overall talent of the team to win it all, and if not the team needs to do what it can to improve. I just don't think improvement at QB is as easy as some fans think. Dak isn't likely to carry the team on his back all season and through the playoffs, but outside just a very small few, how many QBs are? Elite Rodgers/Mahomes/Brees type QB's are very rare - not something a team can expect to just run out and find at will.

mans he was paid as a 4th round pick because he is and was a 4th round pick. That’s what he is.

his scouting has not changed at all. “Safe throws, spread offense, good guy, good leader, etc etc”

never won nothing at any level

Silverz1972 · Mar 11, 2020

If I didn’t make a super bowl, didn’t make the playoff with all the talent around me, not a top 10 qb, still learning the position; I would be embarrassed to take more than 33 million per year. Would I take it if offered...yes. Would I hold out for more...no.

OmerV · Mar 11, 2020

LetsBeReal said:
how much more? And at the cost of which positions will his pay raise make up for it?

The market, as perceived by the Cowboys and Dak, will decide how much more. As for asking me to name that amount, I would think his market value would be somewhere a little above what Wentz signed for last year, but again, I don't know that any of us know every detail of the current salary cap, or the one that is being worked on to simply make a clear determination on what players can be paid, or how much we would have to sacrifice at other positions to pay for Dak.

Proof · Mar 11, 2020

beware_d-ware said:
Me personally, I'm actually looking at job offers right now - between a private sector company that's really buttoned-up and demands you be at work at 8AM every day and work some weekends, and a government owned lab that's a true 9 to 5, has a more laid back culture, and is near impossible to get fired from. I've still got to see how the final numbers work out, but me personally, I would gladly take less money to deal with less ****.

But I'm not a pro athlete either. These guys' careers basically span from age 22-30, with an injury that could cut it short at any given time. Jaylon Smith got shoved in the back after a play was over, next thing he knows doctors are telling him he may never walk normally again. Job security is also literally nonexistent for these guys, all you've got is contract guarantees.

So in that extreme short term, extreme high risk kind of environment, I am taking every dime I can when I can get it. It's likely that I'll never see numbers that good again.

Maybe if you are an aging star with $50+M already in the bank, you consider taking below market pay to work with a coach you like or to play for a contender. But Dak's already taken his below market pay for 4 years; he was a top 10 quarterback last year that got paid the same as our punter.

If I'm Dak, I've already done the Cowboys a solid by not holding out in 2019 and tanking their season. If the organization is committed to me, the least they can do now is offer me a fair market deal. I like the Cowboys, I like how they've installed a top 5 OL and a bunch of offensive weapons around me, but I'm not going to take a Bengals-type screwing for 4 or 5 years to stay there either.

can't like this enough. well said bruv

SteveTheCowboy · Mar 11, 2020

We can debate this to 100 pages. But this is how it should work:

Cowboys offer what they feel Dak is worth to them. Dak accepts or refuses. Cowboys sign, tag or trade.

There....we're done here! Your welcome! :thumbup:

HoosierCowboy · Mar 11, 2020

I have not read what everybody else said but I would take less so that the TEAM could pay for better teammate--great show of unselfish leadership. Worked for Brady.

LetsBeReal · Mar 11, 2020

OmerV said:
The market, as perceived by the Cowboys and Dak, will decide how much more. As for asking me to name that amount, I would think his market value would be somewhere a little above what Wentz signed for last year, but again, I don't know that any of us know every detail of the current salary cap, or the one that is being worked on to simply make a clear determination on what players can be paid, or how much we would have to sacrifice at other positions to pay for Dak.

so, are you saying if the cowboys accomplish nothing this offseason besides increasing one of their players pay a significant amount from last seasons team, they will be better? Does dak getting a huge pay raise make him better at football? Is that why we only won 8 games last year because he didn’t make more money?

Aviano90 · Mar 11, 2020

LetsBeReal said:
I am a little curious how you plan to field a defense if your already overpaid offense gives their sorry qb a $30 dollar raise, give the we a raise.......is this just a miracle offense super bowl with an overpaid qb your gunning for? You do have to at least field a defense

One thing that would help is to quit drafting bums on defense with our 1st and 2nd round picks. Byron can't even catch the coronavirus, Randy couldn't lay off the weed, flipper needed his drop foot to heal and has already cashed in, LVE has a neck issue, Hill is a lazy bum, Taco was already thrown out with the trash. Hard to get a defense when you're dedicating draft resources and they aren't panning out.

DCreppinBoysfan · Mar 11, 2020

I wouldn’t. For two reasons. First this is my first big contract(in Daks situations) if it was my second I might be less inclined to chase that dollar. Second this is the bro and contract are no guaranteed. They want me to take good faith and take a paycut and play it out but as soon as I or the team underperform(from their perspective) they’re goin to cut me, judiciously, and move on

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