Aldon Smith could be my new favorite player

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Tap the brakes means you are telling them they need to slow down. If you are not clearly saying, "You people getting all worked up better slow down," then what are you saying? Because them's what the words mean.

As I said, if they want to get worked up, then let them. I'm excited about the possibility, but at the same time realize that it might not work out for either Smith or Gregory. That doesn't mean I'm going to suggest that others who are all in shouldn't be. I'm fine with fans pulling for Smith and also getting all worked up about the potential. Either way is their prerogative.

I just don't understand the need to tell fans how to feel. I'm sure I've done it more than a time or two myself, though, so I'm not trying to be rude about it. Just pointing out that it's unneccessary.
You are right, all of us slip into that filtering another poster's feelings based upon our own. I don't intend to do that either but it still happens.

It's like when posters were Rico Crazy, I did rain on their parade a little but it was all in fun because we always seem to have one of those players that gets "pet cat adopted".

My only point in this thread has been that "second chance" push with that guy's rap sheet and the sheer number of chances he's already gotten just because he showed some talent. This isn't a guy that just made a mistake but a string of them so I get the push back some have with people like this.

And this team, more than any other, has shown the propensity for trying to get a bargain with damaged goods and it is a pattern. I do not think there was another team that would have let a player back on the team after killing a teammate driving DUI and Smith seems to specialize in DUI. Hell, we had a player kill two Good Samaritans and I think the only reason Booger didn't get him back is he went to prison.

Posters pointing out what happened back in the 60's and 70's is apples to oranges because Schramm made sure we didn't know about it until after the fact. For a team that has been so image conscious, the Cowboys have had more bad actors than any other two teams combined over the years in business. I think I just became adjusted to the fact something's going on that we'll find out later with at least one of these players.

I don't care what these players do off the field so it's not an issue but I would never be a fan of a person like Aldon Smith because of that rap sheet and one simple fact. There were literally thousands of other players that don't need that "second chance" because they could abide by the rules and guys that size hitting women make me sick.
 

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I don't care what these players do off the field so it's not an issue but I would never be a fan of a person like Aldon Smith because of that rap sheet and one simple fact. There were literally thousands of other players that don't need that "second chance" because they could abide by the rules and guys that size hitting women make me sick.

I'm in the opposite boat. If a guy can turn his life around and become a productive member of society (not just football), I'm all for it. It doesn't happen as much as we'd like, so there are reasons to be skeptical and even cynical about it, but I don't hold a person's past against their future.
 

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I'm in the opposite boat. If a guy can turn his life around and become a productive member of society (not just football), I'm all for it. It doesn't happen as much as we'd like, so there are reasons to be skeptical and even cynical about it, but I don't hold a person's past against their future.
I think that's nice of you and wish I had that gene but I am all for the people that obeyed the rules instead of those that didn't, especially a repeat offender like him.

However, would you feel that way were he not a Cowboy?
 

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I think that's nice of you and wish I had that gene but I am all for the people that obeyed the rules instead of those that didn't, especially a repeat offender like him.

However, would you feel that way were he not a Cowboy?

Yes. But if he was on the Eagles, I'd call him a scumbag. In fact, I do that for Eagles players who didn't break the rules.

I remain skeptical of any player who has made poor/illegal choices in their lives, but would much rather see them turn those lives around than continue down that path. If they can do that, I applaud them for it. They shouldn't have made the choices that they made, but there's nothing they can do about the past. What they do from this day forward is what matters now.
 

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You are right, all of us slip into that filtering another poster's feelings based upon our own. I don't intend to do that either but it still happens.

It's like when posters were Rico Crazy, I did rain on their parade a little but it was all in fun because we always seem to have one of those players that gets "pet cat adopted".

My only point in this thread has been that "second chance" push with that guy's rap sheet and the sheer number of chances he's already gotten just because he showed some talent. This isn't a guy that just made a mistake but a string of them so I get the push back some have with people like this.

And this team, more than any other, has shown the propensity for trying to get a bargain with damaged goods and it is a pattern. I do not think there was another team that would have let a player back on the team after killing a teammate driving DUI and Smith seems to specialize in DUI. Hell, we had a player kill two Good Samaritans and I think the only reason Booger didn't get him back is he went to prison.

Posters pointing out what happened back in the 60's and 70's is apples to oranges because Schramm made sure we didn't know about it until after the fact. For a team that has been so image conscious, the Cowboys have had more bad actors than any other two teams combined over the years in business. I think I just became adjusted to the fact something's going on that we'll find out later with at least one of these players.

I don't care what these players do off the field so it's not an issue but I would never be a fan of a person like Aldon Smith because of that rap sheet and one simple fact. There were literally thousands of other players that don't need that "second chance" because they could abide by the rules and guys that size hitting women make me sick.
I agree with so much of your post here. Spot on. One of the best in this thread . Except this. “ I don’t care what these players do off the field”. And this isn’t just directed at you but everyone who shrugs this off.

Is this just because they’re on our team or you truly don’t care if the league is full of women beaters and thugs with a rap sheet a mile long as they’d be in prison if they didn’t play football.

Is this the lesson we want to teach our kids that if you have talent you can get away with just about anything. As you mentioned in another post there’s so many great role models we have in sports who lead respectable and most importantly law abiding lives. Why must we tolerate these type of personalities .

The only reason they are being pursued is their talent is cheap because of the troubled past. It’s like a loophole to find talent. And owners like Jerry abuse it. It sickens me and I’ll continue to call it out harshly.
 

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I think that's nice of you and wish I had that gene but I am all for the people that obeyed the rules instead of those that didn't, especially a repeat offender like him.

However, would you feel that way were he not a Cowboy?
Yep

And this might be part of the problem. We won’t bash them since they wear a star on their helmets which is Bullcrap.

Who cares if he beats women up as long as he helps us win. Screw that. I understand that’s what Jerry is doing but we don’t have to align with it.
 

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Really rooting for this guy. To read about his turnaround and his motivation is impressive.

Lawrence, Aldon, Gregory rushing the passer all game could be a nightmare.

Two big DT's and the young 3rd rounder in the middle with LVE, Jaylon and Lee behind them? Front 7 could be insane.

Five years out of the game doesn't build a lot of confidence
 

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Five years out of the game doesn't build a lot of confidence

Plus he’s only been sober for 10 months so it’s not like he’s only been on the straight and narrow for a long period of time. Some on the board are acting like his problems are far behind him.
 

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Plus he’s only been sober for 10 months so it’s not like he’s only been on the straight and narrow for a long period of time. Some on the board are acting like his problems are far behind him.
Yep and there are some that feel behavior is a pattern and his has been a rocky road for sure.

However, I really don't care whether he has turned it around or not, I don't care about him. He is a guy that might line up on game days for the team I pull for and that's all that matters about him to me. And he might just need the money bad enough to pull his head out of his butt. To me, this isn't about reclamation; it's about compensation.

Sure as hell not going to be anything special to me nor will I fist pump because he's not an awesome person any longer. He's just another one of those bodies in my laundry, just like Hardy.
 

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Yep and there are some that feel behavior is a pattern and his has been a rocky road for sure.

However, I really don't care whether he has turned it around or not, I don't care about him. He is a guy that might line up on game days for the team I pull for and that's all that matters about him to me. And he might just need the money bad enough to pull his head out of his butt. To me, this isn't about reclamation; it's about compensation.

Sure as hell not going to be anything special to me nor will I fist pump because he's not an awesome person any longer. He's just another one of those bodies in my laundry, just like Hardy.

We have to see if he can handle the stress of trying to make an NFL roster and not fall off the wagon. Some here assume that because we signed him this guarantees he makes the team which it doesn’t.
 

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Yes. But if he was on the Eagles, I'd call him a scumbag. In fact, I do that for Eagles players who didn't break the rules.

I remain skeptical of any player who has made poor/illegal choices in their lives, but would much rather see them turn those lives around than continue down that path. If they can do that, I applaud them for it. They shouldn't have made the choices that they made, but there's nothing they can do about the past. What they do from this day forward is what matters now.
Why can’t we call him a scumbag if he’s a Cowboy?
 

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Why can’t we call him a scumbag if he’s a Cowboy?

If you want to, that's your prerogative. He's definitely been one so I can't say it's undeserved.

I just reserve that designation for Eagles players, because even if they have never broken rules or laws, they still play for the Eagles, so it's guilt by association.
 

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Why can’t we call him a scumbag if he’s a Cowboy?
Because if any player becomes a Cowboy, he is automatically reborn into a younger, handsomer, more talented and free from all flaws individual.

My favorite two of all time were Sanders and Owens and Pac Man was special that off season and the spin he got. Hardy was pretty impressive on the old site with some actually excusing hitting women because some of them deserved it.

However, with Smith we get some juicy details like he drank two bottles of tequila and bit his girlfriend's wrists. Some here will have us believe he was just trying to chew through the restraints to free her. That second bottle of tequila made him gnaw a little too aggressively.

Hell, good thing Dahmer was whacked in prison or Booger would have had him work released as a DB. Ain't no RB or WR stiff arming Dahmer.
 

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If you want to, that's your prerogative. He's definitely been one so I can't say it's undeserved.

I just reserve that designation for Eagles players, because even if they have never broken rules or laws, they still play for the Eagles, so it's guilt by association.
Completely understood and actually quite factual.
 

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Really rooting for this guy. To read about his turnaround and his motivation is impressive.

Lawrence, Aldon, Gregory rushing the passer all game could be a nightmare.

Two big DT's and the young 3rd rounder in the middle with LVE, Jaylon and Lee behind them? Front 7 could be insane.
Definitely rooting for him. Those success stories are good for everyone
 

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Because if any player becomes a Cowboy, he is automatically reborn into a younger, handsomer, more talented and free from all flaws individual.

My favorite two of all time were Sanders and Owens and Pac Man was special that off season and the spin he got. Hardy was pretty impressive on the old site with some actually excusing hitting women because some of them deserved it.

However, with Smith we get some juicy details like he drank two bottles of tequila and bit his girlfriend's wrists. Some here will have us believe he was just trying to chew through the restraints to free her. That second bottle of tequila made him gnaw a little too aggressively.

Hell, good thing Dahmer was whacked in prison or Booger would have had him work released as a DB. Ain't no RB or WR stiff arming Dahmer.

I don't really lump Sanders and Owens in with Pacman and Hardy. Sander and Owens were both narcissists, but they weren't criminals.

I admit to hoping that Pacman and Hardy would get their lives turned around when they were here. Neither proved to be a project that worked out. I'm hoping for better with Smith with some degree of skepticism.
 

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Let me know after 10 games of eligibility. Fingers crossed.
 
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