Your all time DL?

darthseinfeld · Jun 17, 2020

Oz-of-Cowboy-Country said:
Who is Jethro Pugh?

Jason Hatcher had 11 sacks the one year they let him start. He was held back by his idiot coaches. And he only started that year because of injury.

Hatcher was up and down as a 3-4 DE. We actually wanted to keep Bowen over him after 2010. Ultimately, I think the 3T spot suited him much better than 5T did. He seemed to really be able to use his length to his advantage inside. Looking at his 2013, makes me wish we used more 4 man fronts in our 3-4 days. I dont think Wade ever did. IIRC we were a 3-3-5 in Nickel

12+88=7 · Jun 17, 2020

Oz-of-Cowboy-Country said:
Who is Jethro Pugh?

Jethro Pugh played from 1965 to 1978. He started 156 games for Dallas, that's more than Ratliff and Hatcher combined.

Pro Football Reference has him listed as the 52nd best DT of all time. Needless to say, he was a very good player.

SFloridaCowboy · Jun 17, 2020

]I would change only 1 player on your list @SFloridaCowboy .

Hope you don't mind me copying your list...

1st Team:
Too Tall Jones, Randy White, Bob Lilly, Harvey Martin
2nd Team:
Charles Haley, Jethro Pugh, Leon Lett, Demarcus Ware]
I have no issue putting in DWare as a DE as an alternative choice due to the 3-4 or 4-3 systems

SFloridaCowboy · Jun 17, 2020

To the person who said "Who is Jethro Pugh?"
That is what all of Dallas asked when he was drafted out of a tiny school. He was a stud next to Bob Lilly. He averaged 12½ sacks during one amazing stretch of his career (1968–1972)

Worst DL: All # 1 busts:
Taco Charlton, Kevin Brooks, Shante Carver, Larry Bethea

Teague31 · Jun 17, 2020

Assuming Ware is a OLB and not DL

DE- Too Tall
DE- Harvey Martin
DT- Bob Lilly
DT- Randy White

honestly this is easy. There is not other acceptable answer to this question

jaybird · Jun 17, 2020

SFloridaCowboy said:
Too Tall Jones, Randy White, Bob Lilly, Harvey Martin
Charles Haley, Jethro Pugh, Leon Lett, DLaw

White ( to young to remember Lilly) Too Tall, Martin, Ware, Dutton

joseephuss · Jun 17, 2020

quickccc said:
1st team
DE Charles Haley
DE Harvey Martin
DT Bob Lilly
DT Randy White

2nd team
DE Ed Too tall Jones
DE DLaw
DT Jay Ratliff
DT Jason Hatcher

Underrated
DE Jim Jeffcoat
DE Tony Tolbert
DT Tony Casillas
DT Laroi Glover

Overrated
DE Shante Carver
DE Ebenezar Ekuban
DT John Dutton
DT Russell Maryland

Note: * DWare was more of a OLB edge than DE; he'll be my OLB when that appears"soon"

How are Carver and Ekuban considered overrated? Just by draft status? Most fans didn't think much of either player. I agree Russell Maryland was overrated a bit. He was a solid player, but didn't live up to his draft status. He was a role player, but for where he was drafted one would expect him to be more like the other top Hurricane defensive linemen drafted around that time period.

big dog cowboy · Jun 17, 2020

quickccc said:
1st team
DE Charles Haley
DE Harvey Martin
DT Bob Lilly
DT Randy White

2nd team
DE Ed Too tall Jones
DE DLaw
DT Jay Ratliff
DT Jason Hatcher

Underrated
DE Jim Jeffcoat
DE Tony Tolbert
DT Tony Casillas
DT Laroi Glover

Overrated
DE Shante Carver
DE Ebenezar Ekuban
DT John Dutton
DT Russell Maryland

Note: * DWare was more of a OLB edge than DE; he'll be my OLB when that appears"soon"

Glaring omission of Jethro Pugh there.

Creeper · Jun 17, 2020

Leon Lett was one of the best DTs ever to play for Dallas. Randy White and Bob Lilly were clearly 1st team, but Lett was right behind them. The problem is he made a couple of bonehead mistakes everyone remembers, but he was as disruptive as they come at DT.

joseephuss · Jun 17, 2020

Creeper said:
Leon Lett was one of the best DTs ever to play for Dallas. Randy White and Bob Lilly were clearly 1st team, but Lett was right behind them. The problem is he made a couple of bonehead mistakes everyone remembers, but he was as disruptive as they come at DT.

The two bonehead plays never really bothered me, especially the one in the Super Bowl. It was a blow out, so that play had no impact at all.

I don't think Lett is right behind those other guys. It is a big step down from them to Lett's level. Mainly because Lilly and White were just so great. Two of the best in NFL history, not just Cowboys history. They played at such a high level for so many games and years. White started 165 games out of the 209 games in which he played over 14 seasons. Lilly started 196 games out of the 196 games in which he played over 14 seasons. White missed one game in his career and LIlly never missed a game.

Lett started 73 games out of the 109 games he played over 10 seasons with Dallas. He missed 51 games during his Cowboys career. He only started every game in a season once. Lett worked incredibly well when he was part of the deep rotation of defensive linemen of the early 90s. He was flexible enough to play both tackle spots and even a little defensive end. I think he was a great contributor, but he never was a great reliable starter. You need those role players that excel at what they do and Lett did that, but what White and Lilly did so much more. It is a bit unfair to compare most players to LIlly and White. They are what other defensive tackles should strive to be. There certainly is no shame in not getting close to their level because it is such a high level.

Bobhaze · Jun 17, 2020

ESisback said:
We did the Cowboy OL, now who do pick on the DL. Top 5 + 2nd Team....

FIRST TEAM
DE- Charles Haley, DeMarcus Ware (technically a LB but...)
DT- Bob Lily, Randy White

SECOND TEAM
DE- Too Tall Jones, Harvey Martin
DT- Jethro Pugh, Leon Lett

MichaelValentino · Jun 17, 2020

Bobhaze said:
FIRST TEAM
DE- Charles Haley, DeMarcus Ware (technically a LB but...)
DT- Bob Lily, Randy White

SECOND TEAM
DE- Too Tall Jones, Harvey Martin
DT- Jethro Pugh, Leon Lett

I think you’re dead on at tackle. I struggled between Haley and Martin at right end. It was 51% Haley to 49% Martin. Haley seemed a little more disruptive in the run game but Martin was an elite pass rusher. I had to go with Too Tall on the strong side. He posted 100+ sacks, played the run very well and batted down more balls than an Olympic volleyball player. Lilly and White side by side is just crazy. That would’ve been a sight to behold.

Bobhaze · Jun 17, 2020

Oz-of-Cowboy-Country said:
Who is Jethro Pugh?

Jason Hatcher had 11 sacks the one year they let him start. He was held back by his idiot coaches. And he only started that year because of injury.

As a Cowboys fan, if you’ve never heard of the GREAT Jethro Pugh, you need to review some history.

Point-of-the-Star · Jun 17, 2020

Where's the love for Larry Cole ???????

HanD · Jun 17, 2020

Oz-of-Cowboy-Country said:
D.T.

11 sacks from the DT position. And that's almost unheard of in today's game. I thought he should have been starting in his second year.

he was unproductive when he was playing 3-4 DE. he was really good at DT. then signed a big contract with skins to go back to 3-4 DE lol

quickccc · Jun 17, 2020

12+88=7 said:
Jethro Pugh over Ratliff and Hatcher, easily.

sorry guys, but aside from the HOF'ers, i just prrefer going with
guys i've at least have had a chance seeing during their careers.

feel free to do your own list differently, but Maybe once more i can get to see much more of
a collection of YouTube classic games of these 1960- early 70's' players, i could get much more a greatly observation feel for how guys like Pugh, Larry cole, George Andrie, etc impacted the game.

quickccc · Jun 17, 2020

HanD said:
he was unproductive when he was playing 3-4 DE. he was really good at DT. then signed a big contract with skins to go back to 3-4 DE lol

Didnt Hatcher play quite well in Rob Ryan's 3-4 defense ?, in fact he replaced Marcus Spears in the
starting lineup because Ryan wanted a more pass rushing threat, unlike Wade Phillips who was set on
making Hatcher a career backup.

Because of his productivity here, Skins offered him a big contract in FA, so he sought his services elsewhere.
methinks Cowboys thought he was too up there in age and had too many struggles with injuries to
shell out that kind of big money, long term investment.

quickccc · Jun 17, 2020

darthseinfeld said:
3-4 OLB's have to be considered DL. They are LB's in name only

no way i'm considered Steelers 3-4 OLB Greg Lloyd a " DL ". at 235 pounds,

HanD · Jun 17, 2020

quickccc said:
Didnt Hatcher play quite well in Rob Ryan's 3-4 defense ?, in fact he replaced Marcus Spears in the
starting lineup because Ryan wanted a more pass rushing threat, unlike Wade Phillips who was set on
making Hatcher a career backup.

Because of his productivity here, Skins offered him a big contract in FA, so he sought his services elsewhere.
methinks Cowboys thought he was too up there in age and had too many struggles with injuries to
shell out that kind of big money, long term investment.

he definitely was solid as a 5t for ryan but 2013 was his huge year playing 3t. then he got paid by the skins. i'm sure age had something to do with it (32 at the time?) but 4 years and 27m for that time was pretty significant

NorthTexan95 · Jun 17, 2020

Ware is a defensive end, not an OLB. Even when we were a 3-4 he played it mostly as a DE. He would not have been a great player as a 4-3 OLB.

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